'Marlboro Boys': Photographing Undera...

'Marlboro Boys': Photographing Underage Smoking in Indonesia

There are 4 comments on the Time story from Aug 18, 2014, titled 'Marlboro Boys': Photographing Underage Smoking in Indonesia. In it, Time reports that:

Dihan Muhamad, who used to smoke up to two packs of cigarettes a day before cutting down, poses for a photo as he smokes while his mother breast feeds his younger brother at their home in the village near the town of Garut, Indonesia on February 10, 2014.

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#1 Aug 18, 2014
pity for the smoking kids, it's time to jack up cigarettes prices to a level which kids can't afford to buy one!


“Opposing Evil, Helping Good”

Since: Feb 14


#4 Aug 26, 2014
First of all, ALL taxes on tobacco products (and any other product) should be eliminated. This includes MSA, pretty much everything except Sells Tax, which really that should also be eliminated and replaced by heavily taxing the Top Percent. I'll go into that further if anyone brings it up. It's technically not jermaine too this topic.

And I'm not gonna reiterate all the reasons for not using taxes, regulation, etc., to prevent kids from doing stuff. See my post on the other thread about that:


That was about the other comment. Now about the article... which this article, itsself, was not bad, don't get me wrong. Not like most of them from this feed. I don't even read them anymore, for the most part. I saw this thread, and wanted to read the other comments, then decided to read the article... Which was actually the other day, btw. I just didn't comment or anything (as I often don't).

To be honest, this really threw me! I've read other stories like this before, but this, they were saying it was like common, for children as young as 4, to be smoking, as much as 2 packs a day! WTF? Are you for real? It's hard to keep a thought like that in my mind for very long!!!

Look, I'm about as Pro-Rights as you can get (a quick scan of my other posts shall proove that, for anyone unaware), however, this is just over the top! This is nuckin futs!!! Small children smoking 2 packs a day (which is alittle excessive, for a adult). Obviously with parental consent, if the mom was sitting right their.

And look, I know it's a different culture, and all that, but look, their are parts of some cultures that just suck! Arranged Marriages are a perfect example. Saying "oh, that's our culture" don't cut it! If that's you're culture, then I'm sorry but you're culture sucks!!!

Wow, this is just...

It would be different if these were teens. I mean it still wouldn't be a good idea, but at least ...I mean, it's like, I say that bi the time some one is that age, they have (or should have) lived for enough time too have the EXPERIENCE too make such decisions such as that.

And another thing (if anyone knows more about this, as I'll admit I don't), who is making the decisions for the kids (in each case) to smoke? Are they being forced into it? Or coerced? If so that makes it 100x worser, right their!!!

And honestly, if we were talking about like a single, simple, case where one child really really wanted to, and had maid that decision, knew all the facts, and decided that that was really what he/she wanted too do, then ...I still wouldn't like it, but I would probably end up conceding, if we were talking about a scenario like that.

But this is like, I mean... WTF??? Just WTF? You know! It's like... WTF? I mean this is just weird, and just wrong, and just... I dunno, I don't even no what else too say... This is just over the top!

And once again, let me reiterate that I am VERY Pro-Rights! But I'm sorry, this is over the top!

Some countries have smoking bans, that is one extreme. Other countries have this. That is the other extreme. See what I'm saying? It's all about sanity and common since ;)
Common Thread

Beverly, MA

#5 Aug 26, 2014
Once a teen makes his or her own decision to smoke, not much anyone can do about it. Teens defy all kinds of rules and suffer the consequences. Maybe it is nature's way of thinning the herd.

But smoking while pregnant and smoking in the presence of children who cannot get away from the smoke and having to endure long term second hand smoke is downright cruel.

There should be some kind of law or regulation against cruelty.

I do not think that is asking too much.

“Opposing Evil, Helping Good”

Since: Feb 14


#6 Aug 26, 2014
Common Thread wrote:
Once a teen makes his or her own decision to smoke, not much anyone can do about it. Teens defy all kinds of rules and suffer the consequences.
Good point! Very good point!

Common Thread wrote:
But smoking while pregnant and smoking in the presence of children who cannot get away from the smoke and having to endure long term second hand smoke is downright cruel.
Well, ok, first the issue of smoking while pregnant is actually different. I'll go into that later (I have another thread somewhere... that would probably be a better place to discuss it anyway, I guess... let me find that...)

About in the presence of children, well, it's like this:

Oh and btw, I was gonna mention on one of ur other posts where you talked about ur mother, who was probably not a bad person, but was apparently (from what you stated), not the best parent. I don't mean that to be insulting, or anything, in fact I presume you agree with me.

Yes, doing it in ways where the smoke is clearly going where the kids are, it's like... no, don't do that! Go into another room if necessary. Or just be mindful of like air currents and what not. Use a fan. Use a air-purifier. Use smokeless ashtrays.

Anyway, I'm totally with you on that one!

When I used to post on this site, back in the 00s, I maid certain comments to the effect of "It should be aloud, even in a daycare facility, as long as the parents know and don't care."

Now keep in mind that I didn't learn about Youth Rights until about 2009 or so. So I just kind of "didn't think", to phrase that better. I mean if I had "...the parents and the child...", that would be pretty much correct.

Well I would also include another stipulation that the ETS doesn't go towards where the kids are. Because I presume the kids don't really like it. Most don't anyway. Some adults like the smell, but I've never known of a small child who does, afaik. If one does then, idk, I guess make some kind of exception I guess... anyway, that's man bytes dog, I'm presuming the child doesn't like it.

I thought it kind of went without saying that what the child wanted counted. And that the parents were supposed to be responsible for that. And again, I didn't learn about Youth Rights yet (although I have believed in it's basic principals for literally all my life), so I just didn't have that kind of insight yet.

That's one of the few times I've ever gotten something totally wrong, when I had posted it over and over on the Internet, and nobody ever called me on it (I had to find/figure it out myself). One of the very few times!

Usually if I get something wrong, or even imperfect, SOMEONE points it out eventually. Not every time, but sooner or latter, SOMEONE will, usually! I am extremely surprised that didn't happen in that case.

If nothing else, I'm surprised that my haters didn't point it out! Usually when I miss one, they jump all over me, like Bill Clinton on a ugly intern!

But yeah, I missed that one, and nobody ever pointed it out. I discovered it myself, after I learned about Youth Rights, and was able to incorporate what I learned from that topic, into the others.

And I'm still learning, that goes without saying! I know more then I knew then, although (hopefully) not as much as I will in the future.

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