Neck manipulations may be associated ...

Neck manipulations may be associated with stroke

There are 19 comments on the Fox News story from Aug 12, 2014, titled Neck manipulations may be associated with stroke. In it, Fox News reports that:

Blood vessel tears that lead to strokes may be associated with - but not necessarily caused by - treatments involving neck manipulations, researchers say.

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Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#1 Aug 12, 2014
"Biller and his coauthors concluded that health practitioners should inform patients of the associations between cervical dissection and cervical manipulation therapy before performing manipulation of the cervical spine."

And yet, very few chiropractors inform their patients of the risk of stroke and very very few have their patients sign informed consents.

And would you really trust a chiropractor who engages in unfounded and bizarre treatments like "activator", "nucca" or "gonstead"?

Let's be real.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#3 Aug 12, 2014
Like I was saying, wisdom "the pimp" has a point. You should only trust an MD who had one time dispensed fda banned medications that killed or maimed millions of Americans.
Fact: Between 1976 and 2008 over 20 million Americans were either maimed or killed by drugs that were later banned by the fda. The MD's who dispensed those drugs were never held accountable for murder, "Don't blame us. The drug companies told us those drugs were safe." Sounds like Third Reich rhetoric. The only thing missing is the tiny moustache.
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#4 Aug 13, 2014
"Like I was saying, wisdom ...... has a point"

Of course I do. I was a chiropractor and now dedicate a small portion of every day to stamping out chiropractic fraud. Like what you do when you click patient's spines with the magic "activator" clicker.

You and your ilk should be thrown in jail for defrauding innocent and desperate people.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#5 Aug 13, 2014
Wisdom "the pimp" has another point. He admits he himself should be thrown in jail for bilking insurance companies during what he calls "the mercedes 80's" when bilking was easy. The pimp said, and I quote, "I knew what I did was quackery but I didn't mind taking insurance money anyway." Glad he finally admitted he stole money. Thus, I'll treat him to a repeat. Atta boy!

Like I was saying, wisdom "the pimp" has a point. You should only trust an MD who had one time dispensed fda banned medications that killed or maimed millions of Americans.
Fact: Between 1976 and 2008 over 20 million Americans were either maimed or killed by drugs that were later banned by the fda. The MD's who dispensed those drugs were never held accountable for murder, "Don't blame us. The drug companies told us those drugs were safe." Sounds like Third Reich rhetoric. The only thing missing is the tiny moustache.
Dr Sum Ting Wong DC

Gainesville, GA

#6 Aug 13, 2014
Chicago....

It appears that you do not approve of the use of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of human disease.

Several forms of leukemia and lymphoma are curable with currently available chemotherapy regimens.

What chiropractic techniques and nutritional supplements do you advise for the treatment of these forms of leukemia and lymphoma? Do you take a "Whole Person Approach?"
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#7 Aug 13, 2014
Dr Sum Ting Wong DC wrote:
Chicago....
It appears that you do not approve of the use of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of human disease.
Several forms of leukemia and lymphoma are curable with currently available chemotherapy regimens.
What chiropractic techniques and nutritional supplements do you advise for the treatment of these forms of leukemia and lymphoma? Do you take a "Whole Person Approach?"
That is completely false. I never said I didn't approve of the use of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of human disease. I just pointed out that over 20 million Americans were either killed or maimed from the mid 1970's to 2006 by drugs the fda later banned as being too dangerous--but only after it was way, way too late and the drug companies fought these bans in court for 19 years--just to kill and maim more. I'm guessing you think it's ok for innocent patients to be used as human guinea pigs so MD's and the drug czars can buy five thousand dollar, fifty yard line Super Bowl tickets.
See 'ting' I guess by your logic--if it didn't happen to your family, then it didn't happen. Would I be correct in saying that?
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#8 Aug 14, 2014
Yup, another chiropractor who, when confronted with the fact that he CURRENTLY uses bizarre and unfounded "treatments". ie activator, nucca, gonstead, magic lasers, would rather bash a field he knows nothing about (medicine).

Its the chiropractic way. He likes medicine, but only when HE thinks its OK. ha ha Calling MDs murderers show what a scum bag this chiropractor really is. Then again, its what he was taught, starting day one in chiropractic school.

I remember the president of my chiropractic school trying to convince the chiropractic students that hospitals are a bad place because people die there. The ignorance in chiropractic schools is astounding.

He, and all the other chiropractic yahoos always run to their medical doctors when real illness strikes.

Even that medicine bashing scum bag president of life college sid williams.

This quack from chicago is so indoctrinated with chiropractic bull crap that he is unable to name just one fraudulent chiropractic "treatment". He's bought into the chiropractic diaper, hook, line and sinker. Poor bastard.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#9 Aug 15, 2014
Needs to be said yet again.

That is completely false. I never said I didn't approve of the use of pharmaceuticals for the treatment of human disease. I just pointed out that over 20 million Americans were either killed or maimed from the mid 1970's to 2006 by drugs the fda later banned as being too dangerous--but only after it was way, way too late and the drug companies fought these bans in court for 19 years--just to kill and maim more. I'm guessing you think it's ok for innocent patients to be used as human guinea pigs so MD's and the drug czars can buy five thousand dollar, fifty yard line Super Bowl tickets.
See 'ting' I guess by your logic--if it didn't happen to your family, then it didn't happen. Would I be correct in saying that?
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#10 Aug 15, 2014
Repeated by our resident quack chiropractor, "I just pointed out that over 20 million Americans were either killed or maimed from the mid 1970's to 2006 by drugs the fda later banned"

ha ha ha Dumb ass lying chiropractor. Go easy with what you were taught at your quack chiropractic college.

Anyway; "another chiropractor who, when confronted with the fact that he CURRENTLY uses bizarre and unfounded "treatments". ie activator, nucca, gonstead, magic lasers, would rather bash a field he knows nothing about (medicine).

Its the chiropractic way. He likes medicine, but only when HE thinks its OK. ha ha Calling MDs murderers show what a scum bag this chiropractor really is. Then again, its what he was taught, starting day one in chiropractic school.

I remember the president of my chiropractic school trying to convince the chiropractic students that hospitals are a bad place because people die there. The ignorance in chiropractic schools is astounding.

He, and all the other chiropractic yahoos always run to their medical doctors when real illness strikes.

Even that medicine bashing scum bag president of life college sid williams.

This quack from chicago is so indoctrinated with chiropractic bull crap that he is unable to name just one fraudulent chiropractic "treatment". He's bought into the chiropractic diaper, hook, line and sinker. Poor bastard."
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Aug 15, 2014
Says the creep wisdom "the pimp", "He's bought into the chiropractic diaper..."

Yup, the pimp uses 'diaper' in every post. And the pimp says he's now an MD who is head of neurosurgery at a 'famous NY hospital' which will remain annonymous. he he he
Hey, I guess all MD's who head departments have time to post 8 hours a day while using words like 'diaper' and 'dumb ass' to professionally express themselves.
Hey, I guess that's what pimps do.

Bottom line--wisdom is a lying pimp who failed as a chiropractor--and now is seething with anger and jealousy of successful chiropractors.
Have a nice day--pimp. he he he
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#12 Aug 16, 2014
It may take you 8 hours a day to read my posts, but the few minutes per day that I spend exposing chiropractic quackery is an obligation I take very seriously.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#13 Aug 16, 2014
Must be repeated:

Says the creep wisdom "the pimp", "He's bought into the chiropractic diaper..."

Yup, the pimp uses 'diaper' in every post. And the pimp says he's now an MD who is head of neurosurgery at a 'famous NY hospital' which will remain annonymous. he he he
Hey, I guess all MD's who head departments have time to post 8 hours a day while using words like 'diaper' and 'dumb ass' to professionally express themselves.
Hey, I guess that's what pimps do.

Bottom line--wisdom is a lying pimp who failed as a chiropractor--and now is seething with anger and jealousy of successful chiropractors.
Have a nice day--pimp. he he he
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#14 Aug 16, 2014
Wisdom wrote:
It may take you 8 hours a day to read my posts, but the few minutes per day that I spend exposing chiropractic quackery is an obligation I take very seriously.
ahhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha! I laughed out loud when wisdom 'the pimp' said he takes exposing chiropractic quackery 'seriously'.
First, the pimp's opinions are worthless-he doesn't practice, so they're worthless. Second, no one gives a rat's ass what this pimp says. And third, maybe if he wasn't so jealous and angry he wouldn't have shuttered his bankrupt 'practice.' If he in fact ever did practice chiropractic (doubtful) then he didn't take it 'seriously'. If fact he said so. The pimp said he didn't believe in anything he did while in practice and that every day he practiced quackery but had to trouble bilking insurance companies anyway. Seriously? he he he
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#15 Aug 17, 2014
Says our resident quack, "Second, no one gives a rat's ass what "wisdom" says.

ha ha ha That's why you respond after every one of my posts with juvenile posts of your own. You care very much. Because every day, I am exposing more of your quackery.

And you can't stand it. Poor bastard. But you're not alone, there are hundreds of chiropractors who are just as embarrassed as you. Most respond as you do. No facts, just name calling. You see mr. chiropractor, in the intellectual world, when you have resorted to name calling, you already lost the argument.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#16 Aug 17, 2014
Just gotta repeat. Just gotta. Oh, you are so very welcome.

ahhhhhhhhhhhh ha ha ha! I laughed out loud when wisdom 'the pimp' said he takes exposing chiropractic quackery 'seriously'.
First, the pimp's opinions are worthless-he doesn't practice, so they're worthless. Second, no one gives a rat's ass what this pimp says. And third, maybe if he wasn't so jealous and angry he wouldn't have shuttered his bankrupt 'practice.' If he in fact ever did practice chiropractic (doubtful) then he didn't take it 'seriously'. If fact he said so. The pimp said he didn't believe in anything he did while in practice and that every day he practiced quackery but had to trouble bilking insurance companies anyway. Seriously? he he he
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#17 Aug 17, 2014
Wisdom wrote:
Says our resident quack, "Second, no one gives a rat's ass what "wisdom" says.
ha ha ha That's why you respond after every one of my posts with juvenile posts of your own. You care very much. Because every day, I am exposing more of your quackery.
And you can't stand it. Poor bastard. But you're not alone, there are hundreds of chiropractors who are just as embarrassed as you. Most respond as you do. No facts, just name calling. You see mr. chiropractor, in the intellectual world, when you have resorted to name calling, you already lost the argument.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA! wisdom "the pimp" said, "you see, mr. chiropractor, in the intellectual world, when you have resorted to name calling you already lost the argument."
But first (drum roll) the pimp called me a "poor bastard" and a "quack." But, naw, that's not resorting to name calling. Not when the intellectual pimp says it.
The pimp is so cute when he makes an asss out of himself. he he he
The pimp is my useful idiot.
tom

Columbia, SC

#18 Aug 19, 2014
Wow.. I came on this site 2 yrs ago, and "wisdom" was in full drivel mode..
after a short time I got tired of it, left.... and about a year later looked again..
same shite, different day.. buh-bye...
another year goes by, and I see he's still pedaling the same worn-out crap.
I wonder if it ever occurred to his feeble mind that he is NOT the sole owner of infinite knowledge...
ANY doctor (or chiro, therapist, coach, teacher, or any other professional) who thinks they have the market cornered on information, or that they even possess more info than others, is a blatant fool.
News alert: chiropractic helps people. activators help people sometimes. Sometimes manipulation does.
Sometimes NOT getting adjusted helps.
Why??? Well, I could give you stacks of medical studies that show wildly differing reasons written by learned persons, and MANY of those answers would be sound, but exactly opposite in conclusion.
We DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT OUR BODIES. We don't even know 1/2 of what there is to know about our bodies... More likely than not, we don't even know 10% of what there is to know about our bodies.. SO WHY ARE WE SO convinced of knowledge that isn't proven??
SOME chiros are quacks. I know.. I testified against one, and he's in jail right now, for the next 8yrs.
some chiros are great.
Some MD's are great, and some are quacks.
Considering that statistically speaking, MD's accidentally kill more people every year than just about any other cause, I'm usually a bit more at ease with going to a chiro than an MD.
"Wisdom" has definitely changed my outlook on MD's and Chiros however... whenever I go to a new MD, one of the first things I ask is whether or not they are on Topix.com .. if yes, I ask their screenname....
I sure as hell aint' gonna hang around if they reply "wisdom"....
Wisdom

Williston Park, NY

#19 Aug 25, 2014
" I'm usually a bit more at ease with going to a chiro than an MD."

Oh really, for which diseases? Dumb ass.

"SOME chiros are quacks"

Excuse me but MOST are quacks. Most chiropractors promote the bizarre idea that minute "spinal subluxations" cause disease and illness. And MOST use bizarre and unfounded "chiropractic treatments" to "locate and correct" those subluxations.

face it "tommy" you don't know anything about the chiropractic industry other than "spinal manipulation helps" you know NOTHING of the more than 200+ chiropractic techniques currently used by 99% of ALL chiropractors.

You are as ignorant as any poster here ..... save for the quack from Chicago.
Chiropractor from Chicago

Buffalo Grove, IL

#20 Aug 25, 2014
he he he wisdom "the pimp" said, "In the intellectual world, once you use profanity you've lost the argument." Really? Is that why the pimp just called the last poster a dumb ass? ha ha ha
The pimp is my useful idiot. Keep posting pimp.

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