States Use Only Fraction of Tobacco R...

States Use Only Fraction of Tobacco Revenues to Fight Smoking, Study Finds

There are 30 comments on the HON story from May 24, 2012, titled States Use Only Fraction of Tobacco Revenues to Fight Smoking, Study Finds. In it, HON reports that:

THURSDAY, May 24 -- Only a small percentage of the billions of dollars states take in from tobacco revenues goes to anti-smoking efforts, a new federal report finds.

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Need A Light

Waterloo, Canada

#1 May 24, 2012
Why would a study be required when everybody knows this?
Are they the same dictator people who do all the studies ?
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#2 May 25, 2012
As it always is where did the money go non-smoker ????

Follow the Money
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#3 May 25, 2012
Non - Smoker......explain the money
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#4 May 26, 2012
More has spent to publicize the evils of smoking over, and over and over again than on any other product on the planet possibly. It is an attitudinal issue. Many think that shaming or scaring people are appropriate means of treatment in spite of any rational psychological response to that proposition. It is ignorance. Unfortunately beyond that are just a group of mean spirited people who like to "out" others. Either way these messages have pretty much lost their questionable power.Maybe real science could take over now.
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#5 May 26, 2012
Ken wrote:
More has spent to publicize the evils of smoking over, and over and over again than on any other product on the planet possibly. It is an attitudinal issue. Many think that shaming or scaring people are appropriate means of treatment in spite of any rational psychological response to that proposition. It is ignorance. Unfortunately beyond that are just a group of mean spirited people who like to "out" others. Either way these messages have pretty much lost their questionable power.Maybe real science could take over now.
There is definately some truth in what you say. The evils you talk about for the dollars taken in is the easiest to spread word about them in scare messages which they know will be bought by the anti even though they are lies. The anti in turn for free is who they rely on to further the lies and deception. In the mean time the greater portion of the money taken in is used to cover the counless blunders elsewhere.

What is of importance is the relaxful way these dollars are thrown around and not followed up on.In regards to the dangers of the SHS question is the bigger question why do scientists,reasearchers and such
remain SILENT when they know better, and the real truths of SHS. This only prolongs and warps the reliability of their profession into the future. There have been a few who have stepped forth but the silence remains at the expense of grave expense.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#6 May 26, 2012
Politicians make these decisions, and being able to tap all that money for projects that help them get re-elected is more than their breed could be expected to resist.

Add to that the complacency of many who see the enacting of a law or the procurement of tax funds as their victory over "big tobacco" and it becomes easy to persuade the majority that the battle has been won and that there is no NEED for continued efforts.

The impact of the images on cigarette packages on recruitment of new smokers and the impact on established smokers in the US of the recent graphic ad campaign put out by the CDC shows that there is still much that could be accomplished if the funding WERE being used for this purpose.
Funding to promote smoking cessation was cut almost everywhere after it became clear that the smoking rate was dropping steadily. When that happened, the smoking rate CEASED to drop.

Restoring funding could reasonably be expected to result in a restoration of the drop in smoking rate that was in evidence when the funding was being provided.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#7 May 26, 2012
It may also be noted that, while there is a lot of money coming in from tobacco taxes, there is a huge chunk of money that was associated with the Master Settlement Agreement. That money was largely presented as reimbursement of the states for money they had ALREADY SPENT to treat diseases caused by tobacco use while the tobacco companies were defrauding them regarding links between tobacco and addiction, among other diseases.

Regarded in that light, the states would be ethically free to use the money in any way they saw fit. Only reason and rationality (and compassion) suggest that they should have spent it to reduce the ongoing suffering that led to a continued need for that sort of spending on health care.
The CDC recommended a minimum expenditure that was needed in order to usefully reduce that suffering. The states' politicians have routinely chosen to ignore those facts.
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#8 May 27, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
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There is definately some truth in what you say. The evils you talk about for the dollars taken in is the easiest to spread word about them in scare messages which they know will be bought by the anti even though they are lies. The anti in turn for free is who they rely on to further the lies and deception. In the mean time the greater portion of the money taken in is used to cover the counless blunders elsewhere.
What is of importance is the relaxful way these dollars are thrown around and not followed up on.In regards to the dangers of the SHS question is the bigger question why do scientists,reasearchers and such
remain SILENT when they know better, and the real truths of SHS. This only prolongs and warps the reliability of their profession into the future. There have been a few who have stepped forth but the silence remains at the expense of grave expense.
Usually when it has been discovered that previous knowledge was faulty it is because some researcher did something different than the others, got a very different result and then replicated his results to be sure that it was not a mistake.

Run of the mill researchers ( and those basically paid to get the results the piper is paying them for) don't deviate from what has already been used as a basis for their study. In other words they are only doing replications or confirming what was said originally.That is how so much money is wasted. It would be like having a storage room full of PH testing strips and testing the same vat of water all day drop by drop until all of the strips were finished. At what point is it enough to say- okay it is enough already. Then someone else comes along and says well maybe it wasn't the PH of the water but something to do with the koolaid mix that caused everyone's illness.

Now, it seems, that even when research is found to have flaws such as a drug having some serious side effects it has become normal to continue using it stating that the risks of not using it are greater than the risks of using it. In other words using the results to manipulate an outcome.I would say that is a decision that should be made by the patient after being provided with all of the facts. It isn't presented that way because "money" is the issue.Smart patients keep themselves informed about drugs and people who think they can just leave it to their doctor and pharmacist have blind faith.

When you have the answer that those in control want you to have it isn't necessarily useful or truthful. But as another poster said - follow the money and I would add look for the gullible sitting around in front of a vat wasting PH strips singing "It's gotta be the water, it's gotta be the water".
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#9 May 27, 2012
Ken wrote:
<quoted text>
Usually when it has been discovered that previous knowledge was faulty it is because some researcher did something different than the others, got a very different result and then replicated his results to be sure that it was not a mistake.
Run of the mill researchers ( and those basically paid to get the results the piper is paying them for) don't deviate from what has already been used as a basis for their study. In other words they are only doing replications or confirming what was said originally.That is how so much money is wasted. It would be like having a storage room full of PH testing strips and testing the same vat of water all day drop by drop until all of the strips were finished. At what point is it enough to say- okay it is enough already. Then someone else comes along and says well maybe it wasn't the PH of the water but something to do with the koolaid mix that caused everyone's illness.
Now, it seems, that even when research is found to have flaws such as a drug having some serious side effects it has become normal to continue using it stating that the risks of not using it are greater than the risks of using it. In other words using the results to manipulate an outcome.I would say that is a decision that should be made by the patient after being provided with all of the facts. It isn't presented that way because "money" is the issue.Smart patients keep themselves informed about drugs and people who think they can just leave it to their doctor and pharmacist have blind faith.
When you have the answer that those in control want you to have it isn't necessarily useful or truthful. But as another poster said - follow the money and I would add look for the gullible sitting around in front of a vat wasting PH strips singing "It's gotta be the water, it's gotta be the water".
Like your post Ken it's the realities of the issues on many fronts.
Here is a link I am sure you will be interested in, on one of the silent that helps paint the real picture.

http://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/r...

Toe the Line ????????
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#10 May 27, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
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Like your post Ken it's the realities of the issues on many fronts.
Here is a link I am sure you will be interested in, on one of the silent that helps paint the real picture.
http://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/r...
Toe the Line ????????
It's very hard for the Anti_SMOKERS to see their contributions aiding untruthful people .
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#11 May 27, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
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Like your post Ken it's the realities of the issues on many fronts.
Here is a link I am sure you will be interested in, on one of the silent that helps paint the real picture.
http://cfrankdavis.wordpress.com/2012/04/30/r...
Toe the Line ????????
Great article.I am somewhat fascinated by the phenomena and I am not a smoker. I feel quite strongly that we do miss opportunities to discover what else could be contributing to a disease when it is masked by political will.
I am becoming quite disillusioned by science. I believe that many diseases would have cures or at least new ways of slowing its progression if scientists didn't stop looking as soon as they have found "the " answer. It seems as if many diseases could have more than one genesis and that my explain why some people do better than others.
Anyway thank you again.
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#12 May 27, 2012
Glad you liked it and that it gave a touch of incite.
It's interesting to see you are a non-smoker and beyond the cronic ANTI Smoker who would try to have you believe there is only one side to a coin.
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#15 May 27, 2012
Smokin Maims Kills wrote:
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Incite? you mean insight. Buh wa ha ha...
What part of your brain did not not work "casuse" you thought your were being smart?
Smokers Suck and Blow

Winnipeg, Canada

#16 May 28, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
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What part of your brain did not not work "casuse" you thought your were being smart?
A typo is nothing compared to using the wrong word. Get you GED.
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 May 28, 2012
Insight and incite are homonyms. Two words that are spelled differently but are pronounced the same way. Main and mane, knight and night, complement and compliment, Greece and grease etc would be other examples. So it is not the wrong word just the wrong spelling.I am not sure where that fits with the language authorities who order the degree of language misuse severity.
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 May 28, 2012
He may have chosen the wrong spelling of a word he wished to use however he did not use the wrong meaning as is evidenced by the context of his response. Had it been a verbal conversation neither you or Smokers Suck and Blow would have known the difference and would have accepted it at face value. It did nothing to alter the substance of his sentence to an educated person.
I understood with no particular effort what he was saying even in noting that he had chosen the wrong spelling of the word for what he was saying.
I just didn't share the notion that there is a system in place that compares the severity of language infractions. Do you think that a typo ( which is also pretty innocent) is "better" than a spelling mistake.
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#20 May 28, 2012
As the the author of incite, I was posting to Ken whom I already had viewed as having a very good insight to the particular article I linked him to. Within the article I am sure he could see whereas certain bodies of people incite fear mongering rather than truthful means.
I also stated that cronic ANTI SMOKERS will try to tell you there is only one side of the coin ...he gets it..
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#22 May 28, 2012
Dick Sionary wrote:
<quoted text> Obviouly theres no point in asking you because you're just as bad.
Obviously neither one of us was talking to you in the first place so whats your point ???
Need A Light

Kitchener, Canada

#23 May 29, 2012
Need A Light wrote:
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Obviously neither one of us was talking to you in the first place so whats your point ???
So What is it ?
Ken

Winnipeg, Canada

#26 May 30, 2012
Dick Sionary wrote:
<quoted text> Obviouly theres no point in asking you because you're just as bad.
You just couldn't apologize to that person could you. You are right though it was reduced to two idiots not just one. I will give you your space on this one.Now it is down to one.

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