The False history of tae Kwon Do

The False history of tae Kwon Do

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Andy Echeandia

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Apr 27, 2010
The False History of Tae Kwon Do (TKD)
Andy Echeandia

There is a proliferation of distortion and disinformation in the field of Tae Kwon Do. Chiefly the nonsense that TKD is a native Korean martial art. This has been a long-standing cultural and political effort by the Koreans, both abroad and here in the U.S.,to expunge from the record, the fact that the origins of Tae Kwon Do are in fact Japanese, NOT Korean. The term itself wasn't coined until 1955. The founders of these styles, which were not founded until after 1945, were either taught their martial art in Japan or by Japanese instructors. The founder of Ji Do Kwan, Dr. Kwae Pyung Yoon, received his training in Japan. His style's cirricuulum uses Japanese forms entirely. The Korean "forms" that are being practiced in many styles today were not developed until the early 1960's. Until the early 1970's, many Korean styles were using Japanese forms and terminology. The Korean Federations that govern Tae Kwon Do did not exist until the early 1970's. This is not an art that goes back "thousands" of years (even hundreds). At best, it goes back less than 60 years. A rudimentary examination into the topic will revael as much.
do some research

Elgin, IL

#2 Apr 4, 2013
here I'm not gonna hold your hand but read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tae_kwon_do#Hist...
yea it's Wikipedia very very BASIC stuff, read it think about it, then know how what you said is true but the conclusion you came is not.
Andy Echeandia

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Jun 12, 2013
do some research wrote:
here I'm not gonna hold your hand but read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tae_kwon_do#Hist...
yea it's Wikipedia very very BASIC stuff, read it think about it, then know how what you said is true but the conclusion you came is not.
The statements and facts are solid. I would recommend YOU look up Kim Soo on google and reference HIS history and interviews about the origins on Tae Kwon Do. Might open YOUR eyes.
Andy
lollman

West Mifflin, PA

#4 Aug 3, 2013
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Durand, MI

#5 May 12, 2015
Andy's assessment of history is incorrect and based on misinformed opinions presented as 'facts.'
Andy Echeandia wrote:
This has been a long-standing cultural and political effort by the Koreans....to expunge from the record, the fact that the origins of Tae Kwon Do are in fact Japanese, NOT Korean.
This ignores the fact that Japan occupied Korea from 1905 - 1945, during which time it was the Japanese who attempted to "expunge from the record" of Korean history. Secondly, many methods of Martial Art (e.g.: subak, tae kkyeon, hwarang, ssireum, etc.), grappling, hand strikes, and kicks, were documented as being part of Korean culture long before the Japanese occupation. These were the true roots and history of modern Taekwondo.
Andy Echeandia wrote:
The term itself wasn't coined until 1955.
Everyone who is educated knows that "Taekwondo" was first coined by ballont on April 11, 1955 to vote on a new name for Korean Martial Art. Names of things are often coined long after the thing having been in existence.
Andy Echeandia wrote:
The founders of these styles, which were not founded until after 1945, were either taught their martial art in Japan or by Japanese instructors.
This is another naïve comment. Logically, during the 35 year Japanese occupation, nothing was done in Korea without Japanese permission, influence, and taught by Japanese. That is no valid argument for the origin of Korean Martial Art which existed before & restructured AFTER the occupation.
Andy Echeandia wrote:
The Korean "forms" that are being practiced in many styles today were not developed until the early 1960's. Until the early 1970's, many Korean styles were using Japanese forms and terminology.
Another naïve observation. Too many novice think that "forms" is what defines an art and its origins. Nothing could be further from the truth. Karate "kata" were modifications of the Okinawa-te (hand fighting) which came there from China. The Okinawans distinguished between the two by calling the earlier Chinese art "Kara te" or "China Hand" ("Kara" meant "Ancient China," specifically the T'ang Dynasty). Koreans borrowed the concept of forms, and early Taekwondo schools either used the old Karate Kata, or modified "tul" and "hyeong" of Korean design. None of those patterns complimented the actual unique skills of Taekwondo, so it became necessary to create their own collection called Poomsae. The forms are merely the framework for practicing a skill and are not the skill itself, nor indicate the origin of the art.

Also, using Japanese terms is hardly a valid argument since the Koreans were forced to speak Japanese, and it is very difficult to re-name everything, especially when the rest of the world quickly identifies with "karate," "dojo," "gi," and "sensei." Even today, many Taekwondo schools cling to old terms, or even misspelled Korean words from the early days of development. That is absolutely meaningless as to origin, It merely emphasizes the nature of forced Japanese occupation, and a period of post WWII transition.
Andy Echeandia wrote:
The Korean Federations that govern Tae Kwon Do did not exist until the early 1970's. This is not an art that goes back "thousands" of years (even hundreds). At best, it goes back less than 60 years. A rudimentary examination into the topic will revael as much.
Perhaps you would be better educated to not take just a "rudimentary examination." The term "Taekwondo" and its Federations are modern institutions, but the "art" they represent has proven roots established long ago in Korea -- regardless of what the Japanese propaganda wants the world to believe. The techniques, philosophy, culture, and core principles that truly define an art were there in ancient Korea. The teaching methods, current curriculum & organizations are modern.

Grandmaster Candidate D.J. Eisenhart - 7th Degree Black Belt - Taekwondo USCDKA
Andy Echeandia

Brooklyn, NY

#6 Dec 11, 2015
GMC_Eisenhart wrote:
Andy's assessment of history is incorrect and based on misinformed opinions presented as 'facts.'
<quoted text>
This ignores the fact that Japan occupied Korea from 1905 - 1945, during which time it was the Japanese who attempted to "expunge from the record" of Korean history. Secondly, many methods of Martial Art (e.g.: subak, tae kkyeon, hwarang, ssireum, etc.), grappling, hand strikes, and kicks, were documented as being part of Korean culture long before the Japanese occupation. These were the true roots and history of modern Taekwondo.
<quoted text>
Everyone who is educated knows that "Taekwondo" was first coined by ballont on April 11, 1955 to vote on a new name for Korean Martial Art. Names of things are often coined long after the thing having been in existence.
<quoted text>
This is another naïve comment. Logically, during the 35 year Japanese occupation, nothing was done in Korea without Japanese permission, influence, and taught by Japanese. That is no valid argument for the origin of Korean Martial Art which existed before & restructured AFTER the occupation.
<quoted text>
Another naïve observation. Too many novice think that "forms" is what defines an art and its origins. Nothing could be further from the truth. Karate "kata" were modifications of the Okinawa-te (hand fighting) which came there from China. The Okinawans distinguished between the two by calling the earlier Chinese art "Kara te" or "China Hand" ("Kara" meant "Ancient China," specifically the T'ang Dynasty). Koreans borrowed the concept of forms, and early Taekwondo schools either used the old Karate Kata, or modified "tul" and "hyeong" of Korean design. None of those patterns complimented the actual unique skills of Taekwondo, so it became necessary to create their own collection called Poomsae. The forms are merely the framework for practicing a skill and are not the skill itself, nor indicate the origin of the art.
Also, using Japanese terms is hardly a valid argument since the Koreans were forced to speak Japanese, and it is very difficult to re-name everything, especially when the rest of the world quickly identifies with "karate," "dojo," "gi," and "sensei." Even today, many Taekwondo schools cling to old terms, or even misspelled Korean words from the early days of development. That is absolutely meaningless as to origin, It merely emphasizes the nature of forced Japanese occupation, and a period of post WWII transition.
<quoted text>
Perhaps you would be better educated to not take just a "rudimentary examination." The term "Taekwondo" and its Federations are modern institutions, but the "art" they represent has proven roots established long ago in Korea -- regardless of what the Japanese propaganda wants the world to believe. The techniques, philosophy, culture, and core principles that truly define an art were there in ancient Korea. The teaching methods, current curriculum & organizations are modern.
Grandmaster Candidate D.J. Eisenhart - 7th Degree Black Belt - Taekwondo USCDKA
YOU have been misinformed and have completely been brainwashed, evidenced by your above statements. Kim Soo and Herb Perez have authored scholarly works contradicting in a detailed manner the nonsense you put forth.
Andy Echeandia
#7 Apr 20, 2016
GMC_Eisenhart wrote:
Andy's assessment of history is incorrect and based on misinformed opinions presented as 'facts.'

<quoted text>
This ignores the fact that Japan occupied Korea from 1905 - 1945, during which time it was the Japanese who attempted to "expunge from the record" of Korean history. Secondly, many methods of Martial Art (e.g.: subak, tae kkyeon, hwarang, ssireum, etc.), grappling, hand strikes, and kicks, were documented as being part of Korean culture long before the Japanese occupation. These were the true roots and history of modern Taekwondo.

<quoted text>
Everyone who is educated knows that "Taekwondo" was first coined by ballont on April 11, 1955 to vote on a new name for Korean Martial Art. Names of things are often coined long after the thing having been in existence.

<quoted text>
This is another naïve comment. Logically, during the 35 year Japanese occupation, nothing was done in Korea without Japanese permission, influence, and taught by Japanese. That is no valid argument for the origin of Korean Martial Art which existed before & restructured AFTER the occupation.

<quoted text>
Another naïve observation. Too many novice think that "forms" is what defines an art and its origins. Nothing could be further from the truth. Karate "kata" were modifications of the Okinawa-te (hand fighting) which came there from China. The Okinawans distinguished between the two by calling the earlier Chinese art "Kara te" or "China Hand" ("Kara" meant "Ancient China," specifically the T'ang Dynasty). Koreans borrowed the concept of forms, and early Taekwondo schools either used the old Karate Kata, or modified "tul" and "hyeong" of Korean design. None of those patterns complimented the actual unique skills of Taekwondo, so it became necessary to create their own collection called Poomsae. The forms are merely the framework for practicing a skill and are not the skill itself, nor indicate the origin of the art.

Also, using Japanese terms is hardly a valid argument since the Koreans were forced to speak Japanese, and it is very difficult to re-name everything, especially when the rest of the world quickly identifies with "karate," "dojo," "gi," and "sensei." Even today, many Taekwondo schools cling to old terms, or even misspelled Korean words from the early days of development. That is absolutely meaningless as to origin, It merely emphasizes the nature of forced Japanese occupation, and a period of post WWII transition.

<quoted text>
Perhaps you would be better educated to not take just a "rudimentary examination." The term "Taekwondo" and its Federations are modern institutions, but the "art" they represent has proven roots established long ago in Korea -- regardless of what the Japanese propaganda wants the world to believe. The techniques, philosophy, culture, and core principles that truly define an art were there in ancient Korea. The teaching methods, current curriculum & organizations are modern.

Grandmaster Candidate D.J. Eisenhart - 7th Degree Black Belt - Taekwondo USCDKA
Read works by Kim Soo and Herb Perez my friend.
Andy Echeandia
#8 Apr 20, 2016
GMC_Eisenhart wrote:
Andy's assessment of history is incorrect and based on misinformed opinions presented as 'facts.'

<quoted text>
This ignores the fact that Japan occupied Korea from 1905 - 1945, during which time it was the Japanese who attempted to "expunge from the record" of Korean history. Secondly, many methods of Martial Art (e.g.: subak, tae kkyeon, hwarang, ssireum, etc.), grappling, hand strikes, and kicks, were documented as being part of Korean culture long before the Japanese occupation. These were the true roots and history of modern Taekwondo.

<quoted text>
Everyone who is educated knows that "Taekwondo" was first coined by ballont on April 11, 1955 to vote on a new name for Korean Martial Art. Names of things are often coined long after the thing having been in existence.

<quoted text>
This is another naïve comment. Logically, during the 35 year Japanese occupation, nothing was done in Korea without Japanese permission, influence, and taught by Japanese. That is no valid argument for the origin of Korean Martial Art which existed before & restructured AFTER the occupation.

<quoted text>
Another naïve observation. Too many novice think that "forms" is what defines an art and its origins. Nothing could be further from the truth. Karate "kata" were modifications of the Okinawa-te (hand fighting) which came there from China. The Okinawans distinguished between the two by calling the earlier Chinese art "Kara te" or "China Hand" ("Kara" meant "Ancient China," specifically the T'ang Dynasty). Koreans borrowed the concept of forms, and early Taekwondo schools either used the old Karate Kata, or modified "tul" and "hyeong" of Korean design. None of those patterns complimented the actual unique skills of Taekwondo, so it became necessary to create their own collection called Poomsae. The forms are merely the framework for practicing a skill and are not the skill itself, nor indicate the origin of the art.

Also, using Japanese terms is hardly a valid argument since the Koreans were forced to speak Japanese, and it is very difficult to re-name everything, especially when the rest of the world quickly identifies with "karate," "dojo," "gi," and "sensei." Even today, many Taekwondo schools cling to old terms, or even misspelled Korean words from the early days of development. That is absolutely meaningless as to origin, It merely emphasizes the nature of forced Japanese occupation, and a period of post WWII transition.

<quoted text>
Perhaps you would be better educated to not take just a "rudimentary examination." The term "Taekwondo" and its Federations are modern institutions, but the "art" they represent has proven roots established long ago in Korea -- regardless of what the Japanese propaganda wants the world to believe. The techniques, philosophy, culture, and core principles that truly define an art were there in ancient Korea. The teaching methods, current curriculum & organizations are modern.

Grandmaster Candidate D.J. Eisenhart - 7th Degree Black Belt - Taekwondo USCDKA
HOW WRONG YOU ARE. PLEASE DO THE PROPER RESEARCH, BEGINNING WITH THIS SCHOLARLY WORK
http://ryanshroyer.tripod.com/dakin_burdick.h...
Andy Echeandia
#9 Apr 20, 2016
do some research wrote:
here I'm not gonna hold your hand but read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tae_kwon_do#Hist...
yea it's Wikipedia very very BASIC stuff, read it think about it, then know how what you said is true but the conclusion you came is not.
.......Taekwondo’s origins in Japanese university karate clubs during the first half of the 20th century is well documented. During and after World War II, Korean students returned home with experience in Shotokan, Shudokan, and Shito-ryu karate. Those who chose to establish karate schools taught their arts as they had learned them in Japan, and they called their arts tangsoodo or kongsoodo, which are Korean pronunciations of karate.

Shortly after the Korean War, the ROK government under Rhee Syngman recognized the value of these arts in promoting physical fitness, and encouraged their dissemination. However, ROK nationalism demanded a uniquely Korean name for the arts, resulting in the term taekwondo. The person most responsible for the adoption of this name was General Choi Hong-hi....

http://www.kidokwan.org/articles/the-evolutio...

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