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John Masters

Lexington, KY

#45 Jan 22, 2013
genforrest wrote:
<quoted text> You like the sound of your own voice. You haven't read in Johns posts where he calls people racist pigs, mother f'ers and the like? You are as big a liar and hypocrite as he is then. He constantly tells people they are racists and distorts what they are trying to say. Because he spouts the Civil War only occurred due to slavery and people disagree with him he calls them racists. And you are supporting that, also. I haven't read where anyone said they spevifically hate blacks. You and John Masters add that to these persons posts. They did not say that, John puts words into mouths that haven't been said by that person. Embellishing. Making it seem people are saying they hate blacks when that has not been said. I don't have to like anyone. That is my right. You don't like me, but I'm not supposed to not like people or what they do or don't do? That's a straight up hypocrite. Find another battle to join.
Says... General Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the mass murderin', bloody genocidin' killers. Adam Lanza, Luka Magnotta, James Holmes, and Jared Lee Loughner aint got shyt on yall.
Not True

Clifty, KY

#46 Jan 22, 2013
genforrest wrote:
<quoted text> You like the sound of your own voice. You haven't read in Johns posts where he calls people racist pigs, mother f'ers and the like? You are as big a liar and hypocrite as he is then. He constantly tells people they are racists and distorts what they are trying to say. Because he spouts the Civil War only occurred due to slavery and people disagree with him he calls them racists. And you are supporting that, also. I haven't read where anyone said they spevifically hate blacks. You and John Masters add that to these persons posts. They did not say that, John puts words into mouths that haven't been said by that person. Embellishing. Making it seem people are saying they hate blacks when that has not been said. I don't have to like anyone. That is my right. You don't like me, but I'm not supposed to not like people or what they do or don't do? That's a straight up hypocrite. Find another battle to join.
You say, "You like the sound of your own voice," as it seem you like the sound of yours as well. I have seen John's posts where he states things of this nature you are talking about. You apparently haven't taken the time to see all the people that make fun of him with every word he posts. I don't understand why people would be so hateful. Sure, John is not perfect and I never said he was anywhere in my previous posting. No one has to specifically say they hate blacks when they have stated things related to them being all for the KKK and stating things such as people of color should have never gotten their rights and should still be in slavery. I think that pretty much tells me they don't like black people without stating that they "specifically hate black people," don't you? Maybe not, if you don't like black people either. Careful with how you answer that since you think you are so smart in your response to me. People don't take the time to try and explain things to him without calling him names and telling him how crazy he is. His opinion counts just like everyone else's opinion. Sure, people may disagree, but when you have everyone again one, that doesn't seem quite fair to me. Do you think It is? If John is being attacked by people that are stating the above examples that I pointed out to you, then yes, I say I do support John calling them racist. Because from what I read many of the comments to him are racist. I also don't remember anywhere in my message saying that I don't like you. Point that out to me if you come across that. No, you don't have to like anything, and frankly I could care less what you do, like, and anything else you can think of. Your life and how you feel is none of my business, but I too, just as John, have an opinion. Just because you may not like John, truly give you no right to call me a "straight up hypocrite." I am not a a person who acts in contradiction to my beliefs or feelings. So, as far as "finding another battle to join" goes...I don't think so. I think I will stay right where I am. But, thank you for the offer.
Not True

Clifty, KY

#47 Jan 22, 2013
John Masters wrote:
<quoted text>
Says... General Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the mass murderin', bloody genocidin' killers. Adam Lanza, Luka Magnotta, James Holmes, and Jared Lee Loughner aint got shyt on yall.
A John, next time I defend you, which has been many times recently, you have never once said thank you, and I think one is LOOOOONG over-due, don't you? Just sayin'! I don't mind defending you, but getting attacked by others without a simple thank you doesn't seem quite right. Again, just sayin'!
Not True

Clifty, KY

#48 Jan 22, 2013
Not True wrote:
<quoted text>
You say, "You like the sound of your own voice," as it seem you like the sound of yours as well. I have seen John's posts where he states things of this nature you are talking about. You apparently haven't taken the time to see all the people that make fun of him with every word he posts. I don't understand why people would be so hateful. Sure, John is not perfect and I never said he was anywhere in my previous posting. No one has to specifically say they hate blacks when they have stated things related to them being all for the KKK and stating things such as people of color should have never gotten their rights and should still be in slavery. I think that pretty much tells me they don't like black people without stating that they "specifically hate black people," don't you? Maybe not, if you don't like black people either. Careful with how you answer that since you think you are so smart in your response to me. People don't take the time to try and explain things to him without calling him names and telling him how crazy he is. His opinion counts just like everyone else's opinion. Sure, people may disagree, but when you have everyone again one, that doesn't seem quite fair to me. Do you think It is? If John is being attacked by people that are stating the above examples that I pointed out to you, then yes, I say I do support John calling them racist. Because from what I read many of the comments to him are racist. I also don't remember anywhere in my message saying that I don't like you. Point that out to me if you come across that. No, you don't have to like anything, and frankly I could care less what you do, like, and anything else you can think of. Your life and how you feel is none of my business, but I too, just as John, have an opinion. Just because you may not like John, truly give you no right to call me a "straight up hypocrite." I am not a a person who acts in contradiction to my beliefs or feelings. So, as far as "finding another battle to join" goes...I don't think so. I think I will stay right where I am. But, thank you for the offer.
Every word I stated about people being "racist," in the Louisville forum, I stick to, and will still defend that. But, I will no long defend John, as he doesn't have the common decency to thank me for doing so. John can sail his own ship now. But, that doesn't mean that I will not still fight the good fight against people that are "racist," as that is the new thread that "lol" has started, if you care to take a look. Well, "lol," didn't say it himself, as he started the thread with someone else's quote,but he still felt the need to start it. See, that's how people in this forum, for the most part are. Not to be taken wrong by those that aren't this way, but unfortunately, there are way too many in this forum that are.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#49 Jan 22, 2013
Wait... Thank you for defending me man. I was going to take my time, and write you something nice, maybe send you a video... but yeah, I appreciate it. PLUS, you're fighting the good fight right now anyways, so yeah...

Of course I appreciate you. I figured actually all my posts since you said what you said before has been of a high enough caliber to suit you just fine. So...
Not True

Clifty, KY

#51 Jan 23, 2013
wrong wrote:
MLK IS A RACISTS AND GOT WHAT HE DESERVED. And he just didn't get it quick enough.
And Abraham Lincoln got what he deserved.
And so did Kennedy. And the damn Yankees should get what they deserve. And Johnny masters
you should get it to you loud mouth punk.
Okay, since I received the thanks from John, I am back in full swing. No Martin Luther King, Jr. did not get what he deserved. NO ONE deserves that. PERIOD. Abraham Lincoln is on the penny for a reason. I don't see your face on the penny. He stood for everything this country should have been. He was a brave man, a nice man, and man that had the interested of ALL people regardless of color. Then you throw in Kennedy? What a winner you sound like. You must be one of those people that get up ever morning and say to yourself, "I hate everyone," huh? Well, guess what buddy, you can hate all the people you want in this world, but one thing stands true, God loves us all equally. Get that through your narrow-minded head. Oh, and also, if you hate people so much, what is it that you think about yourself actually? John talks about what he want to talk about, and that is his right, just as you felt the need to come on here and mouth off your racist mouth.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#52 Jan 23, 2013
Racists hate Blacks so much, they can't see that they're all wage slaves, all the lower levels of society, just another brick in the wall, just a working class stiff...
We're all in this together, so let's work to lessen each other's troubles, instead of exacerbating them.
Whatever

Clifty, KY

#53 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Racists hate Blacks so much, they can't see that they're all wage slaves, all the lower levels of society, just another brick in the wall, just a working class stiff... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YR5ApYxkU-UXX We're all in this together, so let's work to lessen each other's troubles, instead of exacerbating them.
You are absolutely correct in saying what you have in this post, but I have to say, no one on the "racist" side is going to work together with people like us. They don't have the open mind that they need to do so. They have a one track mind, that only feeds off being so ignorant in what they feel is right and wrong. It's sad, but true in every sense. The thought of lessen each other's troubles, instead of exacerbating them, is nice. But, the facts are the facts and I suppose we could talk about this subject forever and it's not going to change the minds of those that are not willing to reason with themselves and admit their hatred is wrong.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#54 Jan 23, 2013
I agree... I dont know why I beat my head up against that wall... I know they wont change... but it's just so disgusting how acceptable these comments seem to be... maybe it's illusion, but in Lexington, in Pike Co, everywhere in KY, there's shyt like this... it's everywhere. KY has problems on top of problems,#1 for fastest growing prisons for one,#1 for cancer for two... just to offer other things we could be talkn' about... but instead, we have to start out basic. Um, no, being a wyte supremacist racist bigot is not good... duh!?! Ok... children... now that we understand the Black folks are just like us, now, let's talk about something that's not so obvious.

W/ Cancer... I heard Hemp Oil cures it. I've heard Baking Soda can help too. Also, I just heard Canada just cured Cancer, but the Pharmaceutical Industry wanted nothing to do w/ it... since they make more money for maintaining your disease, and always doling out drugs... there's no money in a cure. That's a pill you only have to swallow once.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#56 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Racists hate Blacks so much, they can't see that they're all wage slaves, all the lower levels of society, just another brick in the wall, just a working class stiff... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YR5ApYxkU-UXX We're all in this together, so let's work to lessen each other's troubles, instead of exacerbating them.
You're right about that bro'."Wage slaves".I'm one myself.Fact is,,,all of us are.In order to keep my lights on,water running,vehicles fueled and insured,chicken nuggets at the drive through for my boy,coffee this morning and cold beer this evening,I have to slave at either earning a wage,,,or finding a way to earn a wage.A hundred years ago,almost any man could choose to skip those ambitions,and live comfortably in a shack,surviving by shooting critters in the woods and growing beans and cannabis by the shack.In today's world though,the population has people elbow to elbow,making a very stiff demand for every available resource in the country,,,leaving little room for free-loaders.And believe me,I'm not really happy runnin' on "the man's" schedule and being a wage slave myself,but it does keep the wheels turning I suppose.Really,I expect to find a Big Mac at McDonalds at any hour of the day,a cold drink in my grocer's cooler as well as Little Debbies on his shelf,,,and I'm probably gonna want well maintained roadways while on my outing.All things that wouldn't be possible if it weren't for wage slaves,,,so I guess it's not all bad. As for white people,yeah,,,we suck.However,the majority of the problems I believe you're having,are problems that are inevitable with any large population regardless of the dominant color.In short,it's "people" that present the problem.Your's,mine,,,and theirs.Anyway,have a good one and try to stay warm 'Masters.This cold can't last forever I don't believe.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#57 Jan 23, 2013
I dont hate this system, per se, just folks misperception about themselves. When we see that we're wage slaves, like you said, we all are employed by somebody else, we're the 99%. We make up the bulk of this nation, and when we stop, the whole thing stops. We need solidarity. We need to care about our fellow man, and yes, this system has it's advantages, no doubt, but we can make it better, so why don't we? I can always write something, and edit it, and make it better. I can always clean my house more, and make it better, why do we stop w/ that notion when it comes to our society? That man in the shack in the woods, shoot'n critters... that's Henry David Thoreau... a genius! On Walden Pond. Running around making money is what we all have to do. We're all capitalists by default. BUT, that's the reason for politics. FDR pointed out the difference b/t Fascism and Freedom, and that difference was the government. Corporations are going to try to make as much money as they can. We know that. That's okay, but profiteering doesn't help w/ Pollution, or Poverty, or w/ Mental Health. That's when government is supposed to intervene. When that profit motive starts hurting folks, like King Coal in Appalachia, dumping all those toxins in people's running water, since 60% of Letcher County doesn't have running water, they live off their creeks and streams, and King Coal, in their drive to maximize profits, finds that it's easier to just dump their toxins off the side, in a creek, which runs downhill... that corporation won't stop their attack on our drinking water, and property rights, unless government intervenes. When Corporations rule the Government, that's Fascism. That's Corporatism. That's not Freedom. That's not Democracy.

I also agree w/ the "people" argument. Looking at wyte folks is all I'm saying. It's wyte folks everywhere... at the stores, on the streets, in the schools, at the workplace... everywhere! Wytes are Everywhere! That's ok. Some folks might mistake me for peach-skinned. But people are corruptible, and our society, which is mostly wyte, is sick. KY is #1 for worst mental health, in a country that's #1 in industrialized nations... we're the craziest of the craziest here in KY, and there's a myriad of other failing stats which we need to work on also. Since we can do better, I hope we can.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#58 Jan 23, 2013
Harriet Tubman said she could have rescued thousands of more slaves, if she could have just convinced them that they were slaves. I guess being able to choose your slavery is better than being forced to do one man's bidding. Plus, we can always quit a job, assuming there's another one waiting for us... since in America, we have a work-or-die philosophy. No, we shouldn't starve on the street, and yes, we all need to offer some service to society. It's a balance. Capitalism maintains poverty b/c we need folks who will work at McDs, and be janitors, but that shouldn't mean we cut food stamps. In fact, KKKentucKKKe is so dependent on food stamps, half of the wytes would starve to death if they were cut. I say guarantee life first, and then let the competitive capitalistic nature rule after that. Food should just be given to the people. Yes, folks will abuse that privilege, but so what? We're a wealthy nation, and the few thousands that are stolen doesn't compare to the Trillions we spend blowing folks up, and on militarism in general (police, prisons), and if I can brag that my society didn't let anybody starve to death on our streets, then I'm a happy man.

Stay warm Spartan.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#60 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Harriet Tubman said she could have rescued thousands of more slaves, if she could have just convinced them that they were slaves. I guess being able to choose your slavery is better than being forced to do one man's bidding. Plus, we can always quit a job, assuming there's another one waiting for us... since in America, we have a work-or-die philosophy. No, we shouldn't starve on the street, and yes, we all need to offer some service to society. It's a balance. Capitalism maintains poverty b/c we need folks who will work at McDs, and be janitors, but that shouldn't mean we cut food stamps. In fact, KKKentucKKKe is so dependent on food stamps, half of the wytes would starve to death if they were cut. I say guarantee life first, and then let the competitive capitalistic nature rule after that. Food should just be given to the people. Yes, folks will abuse that privilege, but so what? We're a wealthy nation, and the few thousands that are stolen doesn't compare to the Trillions we spend blowing folks up, and on militarism in general (police, prisons), and if I can brag that my society didn't let anybody starve to death on our streets, then I'm a happy man.
Stay warm Spartan.
I appreciate that John.Not gonna lie,the cold don't really bother me all that bad.Being a country boy,I appreciate the season when the big bucks run rampant,the rattle snakes are asleep,and the grass don't need mowing.However,the fact this cold,dreary and glum blast coincides with the same month that I'm laid off from work,,,makes a potentially perfect situation really suck.All that aside,I wanna focus on what you said about Harriet Tubbman saying that she could have perhaps freed thousands of more slaves if she could have convinced them that they were in fact slaves,because that actually supports my theory,and unless I'm misunderstanding you,it supports your theory as well.That theory being that the only difference in a slave and an employee,,,is the fact that one sees it as trade for the provisions that he receives for his labors,,,and one does not.I believe that can clearly be demonstrated in Ms.Tubbman viewing thousands of hard-working African Americans as being slaves,,,while those thousands of hard-working African Americans looked at it as if they were receiving a better food,clothing,shelter,and variety of white women than was available in Africa,,,and they didn't even have to bring educated skills to the table in order to acquire that.Honestly,I would pretty much move my family to,and put them to work in Africa today for an offer that parallels it.So in essence,I don't view slavery so much as the whips and chains tyranny that black television attempts to portray.I mean,I wasn't there,so I can't say with absolute certainty that it was like I claim,,,so I figure on the same token,,,nobody else can say with absolute certainty that it was like they claim either,,,so it's an issue that would be much more comfortable,,,if it was asleep.Back to the point though,I feel like a slave every time my boss surprises me with unscheduled work to do,and feel like calling the cops on him for holding me against my will every time I gotta work an hour late,but honestly though,,,life rolls a lot more smoothly when I just roll with it.Either way,have a good one John.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#61 Jan 23, 2013
U sound like a cool guy.

What I've read, and understand as true, is that American slavery was the most brutal in all of history. Here's a movie that jarred me outta of my complacency, Goodbye Uncle Tom:


But my point wasn't to point that back then was okay, just that a slave back then, a true slave, one that had no rights, and had to do as massah commanded, or get whipped, that person DIDNT know they were a slave. They couldn't believe it, or didn't want to. Something about the human psyche, to make us seem like we're better than what we actually are, I suppose.

But if Harriet Tubman had a hard time convincing slaves they were slaves, imagine convincing a wage slave that they're a slave. You said you do what your boss wants, b/c it's easier, but your feelings of wanting to call the police for being held against your will, I think those are normal feelings. You got to have a job to eat, so dont buck too much, but offering some resistance at least allows u to maintain ur dignity... IDK.

But back to the point. The argument FOR slavery went something like this: A person cares for something they own moreso than something they rent. So since slaves were "owned", then the Massah wanted that slave to always have good health, and cared about their lives past the work they were supposed to do, whereas a wage slave rents their body and services out, and then afterwards, goes home. If I own my own home, I would take care of it, but since I rent, I dont care for maintenance of it, as much. I'm not letting it fall apart, but I am also not building new porches, or any other long term improvements. You treat something you own better than something your rent. Also, a wage slave works harder, since a wage slave enters into the contract of selling their labor voluntarily, whereas a slave is forced to work, so they're not as likely to work as hard.

I'm a wage slave, or at least was. I'm in college now, but eventually, I'm looking for a job that's offered by somebody else. I will be wage slave again. But I understand that. I understand that I'm working class, and while unions can be corrupt, only through solidarity amongst wage slaves, will we get our freedom and rights. There's only 9% of folks are in unions, so really, it's up to us to learn how to unionize, for solidarity, and for strength.

Every job I've ever had, it seemed like a strike would be easy to do. Say Ruby Tuesday. On a Friday night, if the cook staff stopped working, and wouldn't start working, unless they got a dollar raise, or some other demand, we would have got it. They would have hated it, maybe, but the power balance wouldn't be tipped so far to one side of the scale. Unions aren't much, but they're the only leverage working people have. W/o Unions, we're just working hard for some ahole, hoping that by making him a ton of money, that he'll throw some of that money back to us. We're basically begging for scraps, and are happy w/ whatever we get. The power relationship b/t boss and worker is so one-sided... it's hard for me to submit to any person's authority, but I've worked a ton... over 45 jobs, and I'm 31... but they were crap jobs, dead-end jobs... so I understand where I stand in society. I am working class through and through, and working class is what keep the world going. Workers of the World, Unite!

:D
spartan

Louisville, KY

#63 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
U sound like a cool guy.
What I've read, and understand as true, is that American slavery was the most brutal in all of history. Here's a movie that jarred me outta of my complacency, Goodbye Uncle Tom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VCtCEKzmMsQXX
But my point wasn't to point that back then was okay, just that a slave back then, a true slave, one that had no rights, and had to do as massah commanded, or get whipped, that person DIDNT know they were a slave. They couldn't believe it, or didn't want to. Something about the human psyche, to make us seem like we're better than what we actually are, I suppose.
But if Harriet Tubman had a hard time convincing slaves they were slaves, imagine convincing a wage slave that they're a slave. You said you do what your boss wants, b/c it's easier, but your feelings of wanting to call the police for being held against your will, I think those are normal feelings. You got to have a job to eat, so dont buck too much, but offering some resistance at least allows u to maintain ur dignity... IDK.
But back to the point. The argument FOR slavery went something like this: A person cares for something they own moreso than something they rent. So since slaves were "owned", then the Massah wanted that slave to always have good health, and cared about their lives past the work they were supposed to do, whereas a wage slave rents their body and services out, and then afterwards, goes home. If I own my own home, I would take care of it, but since I rent, I dont care for maintenance of it, as much. I'm not letting it fall apart, but I am also not building new porches, or any other long term improvements. You treat something you own better than something your rent. Also, a wage slave works harder, since a wage slave enters into the contract of selling their labor voluntarily, whereas a slave is forced to work, so they're not as likely to work as hard.
I'm a wage slave, or at least was. I'm in college now, but eventually, I'm looking for a job that's offered by somebody else. I will be wage slave again. But I understand that. I understand that I'm working class, and while unions can be corrupt, only through solidarity amongst wage slaves, will we get our freedom and rights. There's only 9% of folks are in unions, so really, it's up to us to learn how to unionize, for solidarity, and for strength.
Every job I've ever had, it seemed like a strike would be easy to do. Say Ruby Tuesday. On a Friday night, if the cook staff stopped working, and wouldn't start working, unless they got a dollar raise, or some other demand, we would have got it. They would have hated it, maybe, but the power balance wouldn't be tipped so far to one side of the scale. Unions aren't much, but they're the only leverage working people have. W/o Unions, we're just working hard for some ahole, hoping that by making him a ton of money, that he'll throw some of that money back to us. We're basically begging for scraps, and are happy w/ whatever we get. The power relationship b/t boss and worker is so one-sided... it's hard for me to submit to any person's authority, but I've worked a ton... over 45 jobs, and I'm 31... but they were crap jobs, dead-end jobs... so I understand where I stand in society. I am working class through and through, and working class is what keep the world going. Workers of the World, Unite!
:D
When I was younger,I gave a lot to employers,,,only for that loyalty to be exploited instead of being rewarded.Looking back,I now see a slave,,,where I once seen a happy employee.Even though,I didn't have the respect of my employers though,,,I did have respect from my people,,,and money to spend.So in essence,,,I suppose it's all just a frame of mind.I like the way you put that though,"offering some resistance in an effort to maintain dignity".I suppose we're all guilty of that to some degree.All that aside,it was pretty cool what you said about me being a cool guy.Means a lot coming from you.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#64 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
U sound like a cool guy.
What I've read, and understand as true, is that American slavery was the most brutal in all of history. Here's a movie that jarred me outta of my complacency, Goodbye Uncle Tom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VCtCEKzmMsQXX
But my point wasn't to point that back then was okay, just that a slave back then, a true slave, one that had no rights, and had to do as massah commanded, or get whipped, that person DIDNT know they were a slave. They couldn't believe it, or didn't want to. Something about the human psyche, to make us seem like we're better than what we actually are, I suppose.
But if Harriet Tubman had a hard time convincing slaves they were slaves, imagine convincing a wage slave that they're a slave. You said you do what your boss wants, b/c it's easier, but your feelings of wanting to call the police for being held against your will, I think those are normal feelings. You got to have a job to eat, so dont buck too much, but offering some resistance at least allows u to maintain ur dignity... IDK.
But back to the point. The argument FOR slavery went something like this: A person cares for something they own moreso than something they rent. So since slaves were "owned", then the Massah wanted that slave to always have good health, and cared about their lives past the work they were supposed to do, whereas a wage slave rents their body and services out, and then afterwards, goes home. If I own my own home, I would take care of it, but since I rent, I dont care for maintenance of it, as much. I'm not letting it fall apart, but I am also not building new porches, or any other long term improvements. You treat something you own better than something your rent. Also, a wage slave works harder, since a wage slave enters into the contract of selling their labor voluntarily, whereas a slave is forced to work, so they're not as likely to work as hard.
I'm a wage slave, or at least was. I'm in college now, but eventually, I'm looking for a job that's offered by somebody else. I will be wage slave again. But I understand that. I understand that I'm working class, and while unions can be corrupt, only through solidarity amongst wage slaves, will we get our freedom and rights. There's only 9% of folks are in unions, so really, it's up to us to learn how to unionize, for solidarity, and for strength.
Every job I've ever had, it seemed like a strike would be easy to do. Say Ruby Tuesday. On a Friday night, if the cook staff stopped working, and wouldn't start working, unless they got a dollar raise, or some other demand, we would have got it. They would have hated it, maybe, but the power balance wouldn't be tipped so far to one side of the scale. Unions aren't much, but they're the only leverage working people have. W/o Unions, we're just working hard for some ahole, hoping that by making him a ton of money, that he'll throw some of that money back to us. We're basically begging for scraps, and are happy w/ whatever we get. The power relationship b/t boss and worker is so one-sided... it's hard for me to submit to any person's authority, but I've worked a ton... over 45 jobs, and I'm 31... but they were crap jobs, dead-end jobs... so I understand where I stand in society. I am working class through and through, and working class is what keep the world going. Workers of the World, Unite!
:D
When I was younger,I gave a lot to employers,,,only for that loyalty to be exploited instead of being rewarded.Made me feel like a slave.Even though,I didn't have the respect of my employers though,,,I did have respect from my people,,,and money to spend.So in essence,,,I suppose it's all just a frame of mind.All that aside,it was pretty cool what you said about me being a cool guy.Means a lot coming from you.
Happy to See

Clifty, KY

#65 Jan 23, 2013
I have read what both of you have stated here and I agree 100% with everything you two have been talking about. Now, that's how "Topix" should be, but unfortunately it's not. Reading the messages back and forth between "Spartan" and "John," is exactly the kind of conversations that should be taking place on this site. Good conversations. So what if we disagree and have a different opinion than someone else. We don't have to name call and such. People in most forums like to make fun of anything serious. People ask questions or start a thread that interests them and the attack dogs come out from nowhere. It's absolutely crazy. That is why I had my registered account shut down. I contacted the mods several times in an hour to shut me down and finally they did. People were attacking me all the time. So, now, I just gray box myself. I just post on what I feel about a situation and leave it alone. I don't have to worry about people attacking my every word, and if they do, they can't put a name to who I am. I have to say, I am very proud of both of you for keeping a good conversation going. That shows me there are people out there on this site that can actually be civil to one another, without all the other BS. I hope you both have a wonderful day. If you haven't noticed John. I have posted in your favor on this site with different names, not to make it look as if you have many supporters, but I post a different name to how I am feeling about that particular post, such as this one, "Happy to See," meaning I am happy to see the two of you being nice to one another. Just so you know.
spartan

Louisville, KY

#66 Jan 23, 2013
John Masters wrote:
U sound like a cool guy.
What I've read, and understand as true, is that American slavery was the most brutal in all of history. Here's a movie that jarred me outta of my complacency, Goodbye Uncle Tom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VCtCEKzmMsQXX
But my point wasn't to point that back then was okay, just that a slave back then, a true slave, one that had no rights, and had to do as massah commanded, or get whipped, that person DIDNT know they were a slave. They couldn't believe it, or didn't want to. Something about the human psyche, to make us seem like we're better than what we actually are, I suppose.
But if Harriet Tubman had a hard time convincing slaves they were slaves, imagine convincing a wage slave that they're a slave. You said you do what your boss wants, b/c it's easier, but your feelings of wanting to call the police for being held against your will, I think those are normal feelings. You got to have a job to eat, so dont buck too much, but offering some resistance at least allows u to maintain ur dignity... IDK.
But back to the point. The argument FOR slavery went something like this: A person cares for something they own moreso than something they rent. So since slaves were "owned", then the Massah wanted that slave to always have good health, and cared about their lives past the work they were supposed to do, whereas a wage slave rents their body and services out, and then afterwards, goes home. If I own my own home, I would take care of it, but since I rent, I dont care for maintenance of it, as much. I'm not letting it fall apart, but I am also not building new porches, or any other long term improvements. You treat something you own better than something your rent. Also, a wage slave works harder, since a wage slave enters into the contract of selling their labor voluntarily, whereas a slave is forced to work, so they're not as likely to work as hard.
I'm a wage slave, or at least was. I'm in college now, but eventually, I'm looking for a job that's offered by somebody else. I will be wage slave again. But I understand that. I understand that I'm working class, and while unions can be corrupt, only through solidarity amongst wage slaves, will we get our freedom and rights. There's only 9% of folks are in unions, so really, it's up to us to learn how to unionize, for solidarity, and for strength.
Every job I've ever had, it seemed like a strike would be easy to do. Say Ruby Tuesday. On a Friday night, if the cook staff stopped working, and wouldn't start working, unless they got a dollar raise, or some other demand, we would have got it. They would have hated it, maybe, but the power balance wouldn't be tipped so far to one side of the scale. Unions aren't much, but they're the only leverage working people have. W/o Unions, we're just working hard for some ahole, hoping that by making him a ton of money, that he'll throw some of that money back to us. We're basically begging for scraps, and are happy w/ whatever we get. The power relationship b/t boss and worker is so one-sided... it's hard for me to submit to any person's authority, but I've worked a ton... over 45 jobs, and I'm 31... but they were crap jobs, dead-end jobs... so I understand where I stand in society. I am working class through and through, and working class is what keep the world going. Workers of the World, Unite!
:D
Dude,because of the number of letters available to respond in this,I had to cut and paste sections of this three or four times and still subtract letters before my response showed as being sent from my computer.So I'm sorry about the double post and the confusion and all..
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#68 Jan 23, 2013
wrong wrote:
<quoted text>I use your post to wipe my ass on. You sick
freaks.Louisville has sure got a bunch of mentally ill people living there. U and Johnny boy are on top of the list.and stop changing your name to make you and Johnny boy look good. Losers. And Martin COON King was a big racist like it or not.to bad they didn't get his ass sooner.
Hey everybody look! I found out what's wrong with society! It's this cancerous scumbag right here! The less of these punk freaks we have, the better. Funny thang is, I'd beat the shyt outta anybody saying this to my face... but they cowards very beginning, so fk 'em.
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#69 Jan 23, 2013
spartan wrote:
<quoted text>When I was younger,I gave a lot to employers,,,only for that loyalty to be exploited instead of being rewarded.Looking back,I now see a slave,,,where I once seen a happy employee.Even though,I didn't have the respect of my employers though,,,I did have respect from my people,,,and money to spend.So in essence,,,I suppose it's all just a frame of mind.I like the way you put that though,"offering some resistance in an effort to maintain dignity".I suppose we're all guilty of that to some degree.All that aside,it was pretty cool what you said about me being a cool guy.Means a lot coming from you.
I like ur country style. I need to get back to the land. It's always a fight, a struggle, and I need to will folks to my side, if that's possible...

BUT, I wanted to tell you, I feel as though I've been wage slave for quite some time. Been a wage slave, and a sit down shut up student. Haven't asserted myself enough. When I know that I need to be the CEO of my own company, be a self-starter, get the energy to go out in the world, and get it. These bullies add to the oppression... and an Oppressor is just 1 step away from being a Molester. "Do this slave. Do that slave. Now blow me." This aint an attack on you... moreso for me... since Im on the bottom, just like all these idiots on these forums, who clearly cant see the forest thru the trees, it's important for me to be aware... but I need successes, I need to build up efficacy. Doing, talkin... being around folks who appreciate me, and support me. WHo build me up, not tear me down. Who are pulling for me. B4 diagnosing urself w/ low self-esteem, a wise person once told me, make sure u aren't surround'd by azzholes. I think topix shows us the culture we live in. FOlks dont talk to each other. Not really. Just LOL, and name calling and bullying. I've read about folks committing suicide b/c of the shyt people say on here. Just like Marilyn Manson said w/ the school shootings, when asked what he would have said to the Columbine shooters... he wouldn't have SAID anything. He would have listened. I feel sorry for all of these loser posters on here... if this is how they behave on here, imagine how they are in real life. How disconnected they must b. They get joy outta hurting folks. These are psychopaths we're dealing w/ here. They dont care for others. In fact, they gain pleasure from other people's pain. I dont understand. I get pleasure by standing up for what's right... and when I act on love. I can find freedom thru love, yeah, but also have to deal w/ some other stuff... being economically independent I need to do. Also, all this anger at those psychoes from Warsaw... they were supposed to be there for me. They weren't. They're toxic. They stay outta my life, and I can cope... and then manage... and then have a good life. I hate them b/c they were supposed to love me, but it's not in them to love me. They love a man who tried to murder me... it's like they have built up this culture... an institution of anti-Masters hatred, and they all work on it, day in and day out. Even those who were once victims themselves... and it's still sad, since I still love, the Oppressed love... yes, but it's like they are comfortable w/ their non-caring, unempathetic psychopathic selves. They dont care that they have wounds, and that their wounds will harm others, as it has me. They haven't admitted to themselves that the wrongs were that bad, and they haven't tried to make it better. It's like that Harriet Tubman thang. They dont want to acknowledge their demons. And so I can't help them. I need to be selfish. Stand up for myself. Deal w/ these feelings. I been reading these books. "Toxic Parents", "Raising Cain", and "Rural Batterings in Kentucky", and plan on doing some video work on them. I think that's a good start.

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