House passes bill allowing nurse-practitioners to write prescri...

The House gave final passage today to a bill that would let advanced registered nurse-practitioners prescribe drugs even though an Eastern Kentucky lawmaker warned that it would exacerbate a drug epidemic in ... Full Story
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CAPT KAOS

Lake Ozark, MO

#21 Sep 28, 2006
I agree with what June wrote..."
Nurse practitioner...Good job if you can get it.Do you know that it takes four years of college,a master's degree and at least two years med-school to be a NP.
AND REMEMBER . THE LIFE SHE SAVES MAY BE YOUR OWN."
Now as far drug abuse goes.. well that is caused by weak people who need a crutch to deal with their own life issues. you show me a doper and I will show a weak person.
I might sound heartless but I simply think too many families and friends are enablers of these weaklings. We blame drug abuse on boredom, peer pressure, ect. There are just as many dopers per capita in the big city as there are in small towns.
One person above wrote we need more after school programs. I don't agree with that. That just has the kids hangigng out in groups where peer pressure comes to bear more than it would if they where home. Kids need to be raised by their parents not by some activity director, sports coach, or other stranger.
When it comes down to it there are two things that are essential to the emotional well being in a child or an adult. A strong family unit, and faith. If more families would raise their kids instead of expecting society to do it for them we would not have half the crime we do now. Also if you are a christian you need to be the person that talks about god to your children. When people learn at an early age that their family and god both expect them to be acountable for their actions then they are more likely to feel accountable and not get wrapped up in everything around them.
csd619

United States

#22 Sep 28, 2006
hey folks, i would like to put my two cents worth in here, I work in administrative in an indigent health clinic, we are primarily run by NP's.
To be perfectly honest, I would trust our NP's just as much as I would an MD, or PA to make presriptive decisions.
Any one with prescriptive authority is able to fall victim to a drug seeker. These Pt's know what they need to say, how to move, how to react during exams to fool even the best caregivers in the world to get the narcs they want. They know what "drug allergies" to claim to have to get the good stuff, forget the DCN 100, they go straigh for the MS Cotin.
But some of the comments I have seen, and I breifly scanned them and did not read them in depth, because I have heard them all, that an NP should not be allowed to be a primary caregiver, that they are not qualified to make Dx's and treatment plans. To be blunt this is a crock. These women and men are dedicated, well educated, well experienced medical practitioners, and are deserving of all the respect, and entitlements as their acheivements in education and experience can afford to them.
And to "correction":
our facility serves as a preceptorship for NP students, if you think they do not face the rigors of med school you could not be further from the truth. they have internships, state boards, and all of the certification hoops a an MD must jump through to get the initials MSN NP, ARNP, FNP, or what ever the combination of initial may end up being.
It must be truthful if I were to say that you do not have much experience working with, or knowledge of what these people go through to get this title.
Okie Lobbyist

Oklahoma City, OK

#23 Oct 7, 2006
Does anyone have a link to the text of this bill? I would like to see the language.
test

Russell Springs, KY

#24 Oct 7, 2006
test
correction

San Francisco, CA

#25 Nov 8, 2006
Correction wrote:
<quoted text>The NP's I know did not go to med school. Some went to a 4 year program and most went to a 5 year program. None went to med school.
Actualy your wrong also NP's go to a 4 year college and then they go for two more years to get there master's in certain area of study such as family care or emergancy room care
Guest

Badger, MN

#26 Nov 8, 2006
CAPT KAOS wrote:
I agree with what June wrote..."
Nurse practitioner...Good job if you can get it.Do you know that it takes four years of college,a master's degree and at least two years med-school to be a NP.
AND REMEMBER . THE LIFE SHE SAVES MAY BE YOUR OWN."
Now as far drug abuse goes.. well that is caused by weak people who need a crutch to deal with their own life issues. you show me a doper and I will show a weak person.
I might sound heartless but I simply think too many families and friends are enablers of these weaklings. We blame drug abuse on boredom, peer pressure, ect. There are just as many dopers per capita in the big city as there are in small towns.
One person above wrote we need more after school programs. I don't agree with that. That just has the kids hangigng out in groups where peer pressure comes to bear more than it would if they where home. Kids need to be raised by their parents not by some activity director, sports coach, or other stranger.
When it comes down to it there are two things that are essential to the emotional well being in a child or an adult. A strong family unit, and faith. If more families would raise their kids instead of expecting society to do it for them we would not have half the crime we do now. Also if you are a christian you need to be the person that talks about god to your children. When people learn at an early age that their family and god both expect them to be acountable for their actions then they are more likely to feel accountable and not get wrapped up in everything around them.
I agree completely! It takes Family-Not a Village!
Nosy

Rineyville, KY

#27 Nov 8, 2006
Okie Lobbyist wrote:
Does anyone have a link to the text of this bill? I would like to see the language.
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/statrev/frontpg.ht... is the place to find bills
East KY Politics

United States

#28 Nov 8, 2006
Not covered

United States

#29 Nov 8, 2006
I have no insurance and have to pay out of pocket for all medical care i receive. I hate going to the doctor and paying 120.00 office call and then get the np. I think if i pay to see a doctor, i ought to get to see the doctor. If a pt. sees half a doctor, they should only have to pay half the price. Insurance is such a scam. My employer finds every way around offering ins. to empl. They hire people to work part time then schedule you to work 32 hours per week just to knock you out of full time positions. But let someone call in and they expect you to cover for them. Full time hours for part time pay and benifits. And i work in healthcare!! I also hear walmart is finding this loophole. If you sign on to work part time- no matter how many hours you work -you are not full time.
Not covered

United States

#30 Nov 8, 2006
But back to the subject...let them prescribe whatever they fell is needed. i have had knee problems the last few months and have gone to specialist. He just treated me like i was searching for drugs because i could not afford to have mri done. I would love to know what is wrong with my knee, but cannot, at this time, come up with the money to have test done. Specialist would not write me off work or give me anything for the pain. I don't understand why they can't give you pain med. to help you get through daily routines(such as work). It is always surgery, test, come back next week. Anything to get Money, Money, Money. what about what the patient feels is the best plan for them. If i would rather take my chances using pain meds than to have surgery- that should be my choice not theirs....feed up with the healthcare industry!!!
Ronie

Nolensville, TN

#31 Jan 9, 2007
NP,MD,or street pharmacist..people will abuse drugs no matter what.
fnp in ia

Des Moines, IA

#32 Feb 10, 2007
Since when are NPs "half a doctor?" I have had 6 years of training...took the SAME classes as med students take, and have 10 years of NURSING experience behind me. That gives nurse practitioners like me a pretty good background to provide complete medical care. To the man that has to pay the same to see a NP ($120) as he would to see a doctor, THAT OFFICE IS SCAMMING YOU. NP's are reimbursed as independent providers for 85% of what a MD or DO receives. I can honestly tell you that the NP does not receive 85% of a MDs pay!! There are many studies to support the role of NPs and the public just needs to be educated about NPs before jumping to conclusions. Also, I can say that many doctors just write for narcotics to make their jobs easier and I won't!!
whnp in training

Mayfield, KY

#34 Feb 11, 2007
fnp in ia wrote:
Since when are NPs "half a doctor?" I have had 6 years of training...took the SAME classes as med students take, and have 10 years of NURSING experience behind me. That gives nurse practitioners like me a pretty good background to provide complete medical care. To the man that has to pay the same to see a NP ($120) as he would to see a doctor, THAT OFFICE IS SCAMMING YOU. NP's are reimbursed as independent providers for 85% of what a MD or DO receives. I can honestly tell you that the NP does not receive 85% of a MDs pay!! There are many studies to support the role of NPs and the public just needs to be educated about NPs before jumping to conclusions. Also, I can say that many doctors just write for narcotics to make their jobs easier and I won't!!
I agree with everything you said. I am taking some classes that most MD's take and we are highly trained. The thing about nurse practitioners I like is that we take more time with out patients and can listen more. MD's rush through their day and some don't take the time to listen. If there are problems with finances, maybe we could refer to organizations that can help. In dispensing drugs, NP's can have more insight because they do take time with their patients. If they are ones that try to get in as many patients in a day as possible, then they are no better than a busy MD. It wouldn't matter who wrote the script then. No one of the two would care.
MTS

Boynton Beach, FL

#35 Mar 16, 2007
You're all wrong. The hospitals are run by "PCAs,' not by nurses or doctors. Were you ever a patient, up at the early morning hours, listening to them all laughing, having a good time telling their stories, hoping that the patients would stay asleep through the whole thing? And when a patient yells, "I need help," and a "nurse" enters, asking "Why are you yelling," is that supposed to be rhetorical?" The patient is yelling because no one is responding to the request for help! The point is simple: Don't becom a nurse, unless you are willing to help. Unconditionally. Don't becomre like the rest. DO SOMETHING.
Really

Glendale, KY

#36 Mar 18, 2007
june wrote:
Nurse parctitioner...Good job if you can get it.Do you know that it takes four years of college,a master's degree and at least two years med-school to be a NP.
AND REMEMBER . THE LIFE SHE SAVES MAY BE YOUR OWN.
No, it does not, it takes a Masters degree which can be obtained in 2 yrs after a Bachelors degree.
Brad A

Versailles, KY

#37 Apr 16, 2007
I know first hand about the Drug Epidemic in Ashland. Whether it is a Nurse Practioner or a Doctor it doesn't matter. I have a different beef with the Drug Addicts that abuse the system. I have had a rutured disk at the L-5 S-1 level in my back. I have had this for about 5 years now and it was just figured out now because I hadn't had insurence so no doctor would refer me to get an M.R.I. I am now in a wheel chair because it has gone to long and it is so bad that the Local Nuero Surgion won't operate on me. Guess what? I fit the demographic of being a drug seeker because I have a beard tattoes and I look a little rough at times because I am unable to premp and dress nice because of my back. I am a Sophmore in College have 5 kids and have a 3.7 G.P.A. of 3.7 does this sound like a drug addict to you? The Doctors say they don't profile but thats bull, ole did I mention that I help with a after school Youth Group. Does that sound like a drug addict. So because of all those who have made me unable to get relief from pain medicene THANKS ALOT.
Board Certified

AOL

#38 May 1, 2007
Maybe ARNP's should at least be permitted to prescibe less potent controlled substances like xanax and hydrocodone. They must at least have the option to prescibe SOMETHING in cases of pain and anxiety. At least enough for a couple weeks. They are alreading safely prescribing heavy-duty cardiac medications.
EdwardA

United States

#39 Aug 1, 2007
nurses would overprescribe since they are more impressionable.
Chylloh

AOL

#40 Aug 1, 2007
EdwardA wrote:
nurses would overprescribe since they are more impressionable.
How absurd. Read the news lately, inre to the wrestler, the athletes, etc. Who is writing those RX?
Compare the physicians in the news with the nurse practitioners, who is impressionable?
tubby

Nicholasville, KY

#41 Aug 23, 2014
This is why there are so many pain pills on the streets.

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