Presbyterians clear way for ordaining...

Presbyterians clear way for ordaining gays, lesbians

There are 151 comments on the WisInfo story from May 14, 2011, titled Presbyterians clear way for ordaining gays, lesbians. In it, WisInfo reports that:

FRANKLIN, Ky. - Non-celibate gays and lesbians will become eligible for ordination in the Presbyterian Church following ratification of a constitutional amendment that reverses decades of official policy.

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niteman80

Richmond, KY

#41 Jun 26, 2011
ok for 1 being homos is against the bible so if ur a true church and believe in god and the bible then u wont ordain faggits.and lies r lies no matter big or small.telling kids santa clause is real and easter bunny and whatever else u parents tell ur kids that arent true is lieing.bottom line.those who dont believe in god wont understand that or get that.make all the exscuses ya like but worldly people just dont get it no matter what science degree u have or law school ya went to that dont mean that u understand anything about religion and ya need to quit making exscuses.oh yes i know i mispelled words but who cares i type what i want to.
Holy hell

Madisonville, KY

#42 Jun 26, 2011
I see niteman80 isn't a fan of homosexuals , but in other news, Holy shit where did you learn to read and write.
Scarecrow

Louisville, KY

#43 Jun 26, 2011
Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ???

“Valley Of Death”

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#44 Jun 26, 2011
Scarecrow wrote:
Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ???
Not only that, we cannot serve both God and mammon. The last people that should be defying God's Word are clergy that are to represent Christ in The Church. When the clergy are gay or pedophiles, then ha'Satan rules The Church, not Christ.

JDW21
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#45 Jun 26, 2011
Scarecrow wrote:
Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ???
Marriage is a "christian" institution, eh? Did folks just live in sin for 10,000 years before there was christianity?

“Valley Of Death”

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#46 Jun 26, 2011
Aida Lott wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is a "christian" institution, eh? Did folks just live in sin for 10,000 years before there was christianity?
Wrong. Marriage is first mentioned in the O.T. in Genesis. Many believe in the O.T. and God that do not accept Christ. So no, one needs only believe in God and His Word to believe God required marriage of man and woman who are to become one.

Gen. 2:

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

The Word of God.
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#47 Jun 26, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Marriage is first mentioned in the O.T. in Genesis. Many believe in the O.T. and God that do not accept Christ. So no, one needs only believe in God and His Word to believe God required marriage of man and woman who are to become one.
Gen. 2:
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The Word of God.
Were Adam and Eve christians?

“Valley Of Death”

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The Kingdom of GOD Is At Hand

#48 Jun 26, 2011
Aida Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
Were Adam and Eve christians?
A Christian is simply one that follows Christ. Likely, Adam and Eve were not aware of Christ, even though He was there from the beginning with the Father. So no, there was no established religion. But they had God who lived amongst them. Christ was there all along, but they lost much by their disobedience, and may not have seen that.

Religion in itself is of man. Christ is of God. I follow God, not man. I am of no religion. I am of God and a sheep of the Shepherd. That's all I need.

JDW21
Holy hell

Madisonville, KY

#49 Jun 26, 2011
Scarecrow wrote:
Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ???
A Bigot much.I'm not quite sure but does it say a homosexual can not teach the word of God, and if it does please point it out, and if it doesn't whats going to be your narrow minded excuse next, God did not create homosexuals in his image as well.Gays infiltrating the christian institutions? i can tell god speak through you. You sound a fine example of small minded at work. If you can';t plainly justify a reason to hate someone we'll put out the fact that God told us to.
A Fact

AOL

#51 Jun 26, 2011
A Fact wrote:
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman..that is detestable.Leviticus 18:22 NIV....And likewise also the men,leaving the natural use of the woman,burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...Romans 1:27...who changed the truth of God into a lie,and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator Romans 1:25...Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through their own hearts,to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Romans 1:24
God gave them up to dishonour their own bodies,in doing this they also dishonour God and His Laws of Creation.God created a "man"and then He created a "woman" for "the man"..not a man for man,or woman for woman.It is a "choice" otherwise,and God will have the final say...no matter!
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#52 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
A Christian is simply one that follows Christ. Likely, Adam and Eve were not aware of Christ, even though He was there from the beginning with the Father. So no, there was no established religion. But they had God who lived amongst them. Christ was there all along, but they lost much by their disobedience, and may not have seen that.
Religion in itself is of man. Christ is of God. I follow God, not man. I am of no religion. I am of God and a sheep of the Shepherd. That's all I need.
JDW21
How nice for you. My argument was with Scarecrow.
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#53 Jun 27, 2011
A Fact wrote:
<quoted text>God gave them up to dishonour their own bodies,in doing this they also dishonour God and His Laws of Creation.God created a "man"and then He created a "woman" for "the man"..not a man for man,or woman for woman.It is a "choice" otherwise,and God will have the final say...no matter!
How comforting.

No need to relate to people as humans.... we're all just pawns in god's little morality play.

“Have no fear PappaSmurf's here”

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Since: Jun 11

Louisville, KY, USA, Earth

#54 Jun 27, 2011
When you read this you'll know who you are and if you don't because you are in such denial then I feel sorry for you.

It seems like a standard, God said, "no to homosexuality!". Actually God never said that, man did during one of the many, many edits of the bible. As much as a bigot as King James was at least he owned his beliefs, most of the edits were done by committee behind closed doors.

Most want to say bring gay doesn't exist and /or it's a test from God. That's BS! IF, homosexual feelings were a test of faith then wouldn't we all have them and would all have to prove our commitment to God?

The simple fact is we are who we are, we are born the way we are. The only sin with homosexuality is when you lie against who you truly are and then you are committing a sin against nature, God and most importantly, yourself. Homosexuality if found in nature because it's natural, are they saying the monkeys and dolphins (two most known animals with known common homosexuality) are going against God?

We can not help who we are attracted to, each of us have a type. Just as all straight men are not attracted to every woman, I know I'm not, yes, I'm straight, married with children. If you truly are (either gay or straight) and are attracted to every one of that "type" then they have a sexual disfunction.

Are there gay perverts, yes, but there are straight perverts. Messed up in the head is not exclusive to any one group. Should we judge all priests based on a few? Should we be afraid of all black men because a few are criminals? It's sad that many of you say yes, with that logic all white people must be bigots because Hitler was white. Let's use the same logic, Timothy McVay was white and Christian so he must represent all white Christians right? It seems like a lot of small minded people wish to take the worst example of a type and use that as the norm, if you wish to do that then look into the mirror and do that to yourself.

You are afraid that the gay guy wants you sooo bad that he won't be able to help themselves. Trust me, he can because straight or gay he has a type and you are douche. Let the gay people be, they ate not hurting you, nor are they trying to turn you. Have a heart, let them do whatever they wish to do in life, love and marry whomever they wish to because we live in this great country, the land of the free and the home of the brave and they are braver than you because even with all the bigots in the world they ate still standing proud saying "this is who we are, fuck you if you can't take it" and they are free because that's who we are as a nation, not as free as we should be, but we are getting there. They are brave and you hide behind anonymous screen names, multiple it seems so what kind of man does that make you? Not too much of one in my book.

“Valley Of Death”

Level 8

Since: Mar 11

The Kingdom of GOD Is At Hand

#55 Jun 27, 2011
Aida Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
How nice for you. My argument was with Scarecrow.
I intervened. This is a public forum. It is intended for debate, not argument. You don't get to designate who responds to your post.

JDW21
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#56 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
I intervened. This is a public forum. It is intended for debate, not argument. You don't get to designate who responds to your post.
JDW21
"Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ??? "

So you are taking his postition then? Ok.... I'll ask you the same question.... did people just live in sin for 10,000 years before there was christianity?

Marriage IS NOT a "christian" institution. It is a CIVIL CONTRACT.

“Valley Of Death”

Level 8

Since: Mar 11

The Kingdom of GOD Is At Hand

#57 Jun 27, 2011
Aida Lott wrote:
<quoted text>"Why do homosexuals always want to infiltrate Christian institutions ??? They want to be married to each other. Do they think we are going to love and respect them ??? "
So you are taking his postition then? Ok.... I'll ask you the same question.... did people just live in sin for 10,000 years before there was christianity?
Marriage IS NOT a "christian" institution. It is a CIVIL CONTRACT.
Yes they did live in sin since the beginning of the world. Why God destroyed nearly everyone during the day of Noah. Why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sexual perversions. To name a few.

No, marriage is not a "Christian" institution. It is the Word of God from the beginning of the Bible. If one truly obeys God, then they follow His laws and rules. God says one man and one woman should marry once, and sex is a gift of that marriage.

If a person is not One with God, then I guess it's up to their belief.

JDW21
Aida Lott

Jersey City, NJ

#58 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they did live in sin since the beginning of the world. Why God destroyed nearly everyone during the day of Noah. Why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sexual perversions. To name a few.
No, marriage is not a "Christian" institution. It is the Word of God from the beginning of the Bible. If one truly obeys God, then they follow His laws and rules. God says one man and one woman should marry once, and sex is a gift of that marriage.
If a person is not One with God, then I guess it's up to their belief.
JDW21
What?

If a person is not One with God, then I guess it's up to their belief.

What does that even mean? Anything at all, or is it fundie babble?

p.s. marriage existed BEFORE the stories of your god. There is no historical evidence that Moses ever lived. NONE. Your Buybull is Jewish folklore...... do you understand? None of it really happened. They are Jewish stories about man's search to understand god. That's all they are....stories.... not reality.

“II Samuel 1:26”

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#59 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Marriage is first mentioned in the O.T. in Genesis. Many believe in the O.T. and God that do not accept Christ. So no, one needs only believe in God and His Word to believe God required marriage of man and woman who are to become one.
Gen. 2:
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The Word of God.
Wife is a mistranslation of the ancient Hebrew in that passage. It should be "woman." There is no mention of the institution of marriage in that passage. You are clearly mistaken.

“II Samuel 1:26”

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#60 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Marriage is first mentioned in the O.T. in Genesis. Many believe in the O.T. and God that do not accept Christ. So no, one needs only believe in God and His Word to believe God required marriage of man and woman who are to become one.
Gen. 2:
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
The Word of God.
BTW, the same is said of Ruth and Naomi in the book of Ruth ... Ruth's cleaving to her beloved Naomi.

“II Samuel 1:26”

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#61 Jun 27, 2011
Judgment Day Watchman wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes they did live in sin since the beginning of the world. Why God destroyed nearly everyone during the day of Noah. Why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for their sexual perversions. To name a few.
No, marriage is not a "Christian" institution. It is the Word of God from the beginning of the Bible. If one truly obeys God, then they follow His laws and rules. God says one man and one woman should marry once, and sex is a gift of that marriage.
If a person is not One with God, then I guess it's up to their belief.
JDW21
The sins of Sodom are listed in Ezekiel 16:49-50, and homosexuality is notably absent from that list.

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