EEOC Update

Elizabethtown, KY

#48 Jun 19, 2013
EEOC update wrote:
The EEOC found a way to sue those compainies who discriminate against felons. It works like that RICO Act against criminal organizations. They may not get employers for not hiring felons but will get them another way.
http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2 ...
Here is a very good site if you want to express your opinion about the Job Discrimination against felons. Join our cause!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Employmen ...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-Employmen...
Kentuckian

Elizabethtown, KY

#49 Jun 19, 2013
Steve wrote:
Sounds like someone from campbellsville got caught makin moonshine and
boinkin the neighbors goat. There is no cause, screw up again and go to jail,
do not pass go and do not collect 200 dollars. See, we even make fun of you
on monopoly games.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ha
I'd rather hire an illegal immigrant than hire a felon
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha
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Attention all ex-convicts------Employers can hire who they want----------
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Stay in Arizona Joe Arpaio and out of KY Law Issues.
Hawk67

Lexington, KY

#50 Jun 19, 2013
College graduates can't find a full time job; doctors are going bankrupt because people are staying away from the doctor because of co-pays and lack of insurance and these people did something with their life and the list goes on. All felons who make it out of prison do get a 2nd chance when they walk out the front door back into society. You can get a college degree while in prison or on probation which would better your chances of becoming gainfully employed. Felons can also be self employed and eiminate being "looked over" for the squeezy clean applicant that has done something more productive with their time and who do not feel as though the laws applying only to someone other than themselves.
Kentuckian

Elizabethtown, KY

#51 Jun 19, 2013
Steve wrote:
Felons, stay out of my workplace
We'll if you are who I think you are, because your city fits, and the topic has attracted you all the way from Scottsdale AZ, this IS you're Trade. I don't think that the opinion's of the Joe arpaio's in this Country are going to hold much weight. With all of the blatant disregards of Civil Rights, Racial Profiling and Discrimination that " YOUR SHERIFF" has committed, I doubt that any protest submitted by that type of person would be considered. People like "HIM" are the ones who should be living in Tent Cites, not people who have made a relatively minor mistake.
You are Naive

Elizabethtown, KY

#52 Jun 19, 2013
Hawk67 wrote:
College graduates can't find a full time job; doctors are going bankrupt because people are staying away from the doctor because of co-pays and lack of insurance and these people did something with their life and the list goes on. All felons who make it out of prison do get a 2nd chance when they walk out the front door back into society. You can get a college degree while in prison or on probation which would better your chances of becoming gainfully employed. Felons can also be self employed and eliminate being "looked over" for the squeezy clean applicant that has done something more productive with their time and who do not feel as though the laws applying only to someone other than themselves.
First, Not all felons end up in Prison, you need to lose that stereotype mindset. Second, That person may have been a Doctor or Lawyer, Or Nurse, etc, so you can't lump all felons together and say "these people did something with their life). 3rd, A college degree will get you nowhere if you are a felon. Like you said, Non-Felons with degrees are having a hard time finding jobs. I'm a felon, 3.9 GPA, Deans list, Bachelors Degree, Etc, and can't pass a background check, or make it to an interview if I mark FELON on the application. Plus, I'm overqualified for McDonald's types of jobs, so no luck there either. 3rd.SELF EMPLOYED - Well, in order to be self employed, you have to have MONEY to start a business, Wither it Be a brick and mortar business or Just a Landscaper who mows. Business and tools, and mowers, and insurance, and operating cost all cost MONEY. So where is a person who can't get a job supposed to get that money? Banks only give loans to those who don't need them. Those who have a lot of collateral to back up the loan. So, how is this felon supposed to fund this business? I guess he could try to do one BIG SCORE / Illegal Activity and then go legit. After all you said he could start his own business. He just funded it the only way he could.
You are either very young "Say 20's or very naive, because you seem to have no real understanding of how business, commerce, and banking are done. You also seem to be very Idealistic, again another "young" trait. Go do more real research on this topic, business, banking, loans etc, then come back and leave a response, lets see if your point of view has changed.
Kentuckian

Elizabethtown, KY

#53 Jun 19, 2013
Hawk67 did inadvertently bring up a good point, that being felons and education. I think that any rehabilitation training that felons receive upon release should be directed toward a trade rather than college. The reason I say this is, Even if they do get a college degree, no one will hire them. Another reason is, if they do complete college, and find that there are no jobs to be had, because of their felony, they cannot get government funding after receiving a bachelors degree. Yes they can take out Stafford Loans that must be repaid, but as for the BOG and FASFA Grants, you are not eligible. No one is after their Bachelors degree. Those Stafford loans would not even cover 1 class in some schools, forget books. Without government funding they will not be able to attend a trade school, because they have to have money to get into that school and pay for classes, books, gear, etc. If it was a drug charge or assault charge they received, the school may not take them anyway.
People always say that education is the way to rehabilitate felons, well, if you owe $40,000 to a university and can't find a job to pay it back, how did that degree help them?
Really the same applies to students coming out of High school. I see alot of students who graduate from college with bachelors degrees, Business, Criminal Justice, Teaching Certificates, etc, and they are having to take unskilled labor jobs, working right beside people with GEDs. That's pretty much a waste of 4 years and lots of money. While people with skilled trades in areas where there is a demand are making lots of money. Much more than college graduates in lots of cases. If you have students graduating every semester from a university, and they stay in that area, the job market is saturated, even employers who don't discriminate against felons can choose who do I want to work for me, the one with the 3.9 grade point average or the one with the 4.0 gph? So they can pick from the cream of the crop. But, if it was the felon who had the highest GPH, and the most education and training, and was best qualified for the job, they would be kicked to the curb because of that felony. Just to be on equal ground, you have a clean record, or you will not be hired.
Hawk67

Lexington, KY

#54 Jun 20, 2013
You are Naive wrote:
<quoted text>First, Not all felons end up in Prison, you need to lose that stereotype mindset. Second, That person may have been a Doctor or Lawyer, Or Nurse, etc, so you can't lump all felons together and say "these people did something with their life). 3rd, A college degree will get you nowhere if you are a felon. Like you said, Non-Felons with degrees are having a hard time finding jobs. I'm a felon, 3.9 GPA, Deans list, Bachelors Degree, Etc, and can't pass a background check, or make it to an interview if I mark FELON on the application. Plus, I'm overqualified for McDonald's types of jobs, so no luck there either. 3rd.SELF EMPLOYED - Well, in order to be self employed, you have to have MONEY to start a business, Wither it Be a brick and mortar business or Just a Landscaper who mows. Business and tools, and mowers, and insurance, and operating cost all cost MONEY. So where is a person who can't get a job supposed to get that money? Banks only give loans to those who don't need them. Those who have a lot of collateral to back up the loan. So, how is this felon supposed to fund this business? I guess he could try to do one BIG SCORE / Illegal Activity and then go legit. After all you said he could start his own business. He just funded it the only way he could.
You are either very young "Say 20's or very naive, because you seem to have no real understanding of how business, commerce, and banking are done. You also seem to be very Idealistic, again another "young" trait. Go do more real research on this topic, business, banking, loans etc, then come back and leave a response, lets see if your point of view has changed.
Wrong. I am not very young I'm 64 years old. I am no naive about how business, commerce and banking are done. I am not idealistic.
Not all felons go to prison I believe that was covered under "probation" I didn't say parolled. For some, getting a loan to start up a business is not necessary--contrators, painters who I might add make lots a money without a college degree and I might add Bill Gates before he started Microsoft had three arrests on his record, one for reckless driving forget what the other two were and I might add he did not graduate from college.

You can't change a person's history. You are who you are because of ALL the decisions you made in your lifetime good or bad. Good luck to you and once the laws are changed it will be interesting to see if you can have a better life for yourself or will you need another excuse for your lack of success.

I was permanently disabled at 42 by a driver who had prior DUI's. I couldn't find anyone to employ me. All victims of senseless crimes should agree to give the felons another chance for a better lifestyle than THEY choose for themselves and deliberately(or inadvertently) for the victims of their crime.
Dont forget

Elizabethtown, KY

#55 Jun 20, 2013
Don't forget that Bill Gates may have stolen a big majority of the DOS operating system and cut Steve Jobs out of his share in the computer field. That's kind of like stealing and embezzling and Software Piracy to make Billions of Dollars. Who needs a college degree when you break the law to get started in business. Maybe we should take a hint an use him as a role model. Do you want to be the one they steal from to get started in life? It also seems that you are bitter because of your circumstances, which is understandable.
Hawk67

Lexington, KY

#56 Jun 20, 2013
Dont forget wrote:
Don't forget that Bill Gates may have stolen a big majority of the DOS operating system and cut Steve Jobs out of his share in the computer field. That's kind of like stealing and embezzling and Software Piracy to make Billions of Dollars. Who needs a college degree when you break the law to get started in business. Maybe we should take a hint an use him as a role model. Do you want to be the one they steal from to get started in life? It also seems that you are bitter because of your circumstances, which is understandable.
He was not meant to be a role model for the average Joe. Just stating you can be gainfully employed being self employed. And, as you pointed out-- the core of who he was didn't change at all.
Hawk67

Lexington, KY

#57 Jun 20, 2013
Dont forget wrote:
Don't forget that Bill Gates may have stolen a big majority of the DOS operating system and cut Steve Jobs out of his share in the computer field. That's kind of like stealing and embezzling and Software Piracy to make Billions of Dollars. Who needs a college degree when you break the law to get started in business. Maybe we should take a hint an use him as a role model. Do you want to be the one they steal from to get started in life? It also seems that you are bitter because of your circumstances, which is understandable.
Addressing your comment about bitterness.
At first when I lost my job, my home, my credit and a finance that had decided it was best for them to move on - I wasn't the physical person they fell in love with. Yes. Over the years I made all the requirements needed to address and accept the personal adjustments needed to move past the accident. I forgave the drunk driver based upon what forgiveness means "put events into perspective and move on" which means move on with your life. I have a life, I am productive and have made a difference in others lives for the betterment. As for the driver of the car - having had prior DUI they fled the sceen of the accident and left me injured and lying in the cold. They never once contacted me or my family to ask how I was doing. Do I believe all felons are as cold hearted as the driver who injured me? No. But I do not feel they should expect nor do they deserve more rights than those victimized by their careless actions. As I stated, you can't change a person's history and their history good or bad is a result of their prior decisons.
Kentuckian

Elizabethtown, KY

#58 Jun 20, 2013
Hawk67 wrote:
<quoted text>
Addressing your comment about bitterness.
At first when I lost my job, my home, my credit and a finance that had decided it was best for them to move on - I wasn't the physical person they fell in love with. Yes. Over the years I made all the requirements needed to address and accept the personal adjustments needed to move past the accident. I forgave the drunk driver based upon what forgiveness means "put events into perspective and move on" which means move on with your life. I have a life, I am productive and have made a difference in others lives for the betterment. As for the driver of the car - having had prior DUI they fled the scene of the accident and left me injured and lying in the cold. They never once contacted me or my family to ask how I was doing. Do I believe all felons are as cold hearted as the driver who injured me? No. But I do not feel they should expect nor do they deserve more rights than those victimized by their careless actions. As I stated, you can't change a person's history and their history good or bad is a result of their prior decisions.
I'm not looking for more rights, just the same rights as regular people. The same opportunities etc. It was wrong what happened to you, and that person should be caught and put behind bars. I agree to what one of the other post said, that Class D felonies that fall into a certain category should be eligible for expungement but not all class D felonies. They should fit within a certain criteria that the House Of Rep and Senate Judaical Committee can agree on. From what I could find on the internet, your hit and run case was a Class D felony. A hit and run on a car, or sign post is a lot different to "ME" than a hit and run on a person.(No I don't have hit and run on my record) I think that one should have the opportunity to get expunged while I think the other caused permanent injury with disregard for human life. I don't think that person should be able to get that expunged. As for me, I haven't had a drop of alcohol in over 11 years. When my incident happened to me, I was done with any type of drinking.
Kentuckian Hap to me

Elizabethtown, KY

#59 Jun 21, 2013
Yes I am sorry that this incident happened. This incident did not involve (Personally) anyone besides myself so there is no one in particular that I can apologize to. I'm not going to apologize to the world for things that others may have done to them. Yes I am presenting this topic to the world, however, I am not personally responsible for all of the wrongs others may have done to you. I'm not trying to be calus I'm just getting some feedback from others that "imply" that.Do I feel bad that this happened? Yes, everyday. Am I sorry it happened? Yes I am. So that is out there. Now that will just give others fuel to say crap like, "Oh giving a pity party for yourself, etc. That is probably why I haven't said this before. If I have sounded detached from showing that emotion that comes from doing something bad, its because it's like little flashes of memory, not something I can really remember. Like I said, no one was hurt, thank God, I'm gratefully for that, or this could be much worse.
Hawk67

Lexington, KY

#60 Jun 21, 2013
Kentuckian Hap to me wrote:
Yes I am sorry that this incident happened. This incident did not involve (Personally) anyone besides myself so there is no one in particular that I can apologize to. I'm not going to apologize to the world for things that others may have done to them. Yes I am presenting this topic to the world, however, I am not personally responsible for all of the wrongs others may have done to you. I'm not trying to be calus I'm just getting some feedback from others that "imply" that.Do I feel bad that this happened? Yes, everyday. Am I sorry it happened? Yes I am. So that is out there. Now that will just give others fuel to say crap like, "Oh giving a pity party for yourself, etc. That is probably why I haven't said this before. If I have sounded detached from showing that emotion that comes from doing something bad, its because it's like little flashes of memory, not something I can really remember. Like I said, no one was hurt, thank God, I'm gratefully for that, or this could be much worse.
BRAVO
You can not change the world until you change yourself.
My first reaction to the purposal of this change in the law was that it dehumanized the victims of senseless crimes. I would support changing the law only on the contigency no one was permanently injured as a result of the felony. Then the problem of deining what permanently injured would mean, physically vs. mentally, etc.
Good Luck to you in the future.
Safety First

Madisonville, KY

#61 Jun 21, 2013
The first thing we need to do is to reform our criminal justice system. We live in a violent crime-prone society, mostly because we let too many felons out of prison. And prisons cost too much. So the first thing we need to do is to make the prisons cheaper, by locating them in cheaper locations, and making them more efficient. Smaller cells, less time out of the cell per day, etc. And the prisoners should work, hard, to pay for their imprisonment.

Prisoners tend to learn a lot of their crime skills in prison. Therefore, once they've been sentenced to prison, they should never get out.

Kids growing up in bad neighborhoods, and deciding whether to get started in a life of crime, should have loud and clear examples of what will happen to them if they do. The prisoners should work in those neighborhoods, in chains, with someone holding a whip to make them keep working. That way their imprisonment will be doing good for society, by motivating kids to avoid a life of crime. And those bad neighborhoods will no longer be so bad, because the prisoners will be scrubbing the streets, picking up litter in the parks, weeding, planting trees, etc.

And everyone who does drugs or DUI's should be in prison for life.

Meanwhile, before we start hiring felons, we should make sure all the illegal immigrants become legal and get legal jobs, and do whatever it takes to make our cities safe from crime.
Make proper arguments

Louisville, KY

#62 Jun 21, 2013
Happened to me wrote:
<quoted text>As for you, I have probably accomplished more in the last year than you have all of your life.
What a fumb duck, presumptuous, irrelevant, non-argument-making comment!**Never, ever** make such a stupid comment again.
Hobo

Hodgenville, KY

#63 Jun 22, 2013
Furniture liquidators is one of those employers. Said they don't hire felons, but have felons working for them. One in particular is gay and plead guilty to felonies but since he is gay, they won't fire him. The son of the vice president is also gay so I guess she has a soft spot for homos.
Voice

Jeffersonville, IN

#64 Jun 22, 2013
Judgement day will come for all you haters. People hated Jesus, too, because he was good.
Voice

Jeffersonville, IN

#65 Jun 22, 2013
Furthermore, I guarantee you that the same ones who are on here acting like big shots are really just nobodies or Trolls....te he he
Steve

Phoenix, AZ

#66 Jun 22, 2013
Felons are criminals,that is why they locked you up. Caged like a bad animal,
society could not trust you and never will. Crawl into a hole and die, loser!
Safety First

Owensboro, KY

#67 Jun 23, 2013
Voice wrote:
Judgement day will come for all you haters. People hated Jesus, too, because he was good.
Was he a felon? Do felons equate themselves with Jesus, and use that as their reason for demanding more rights?

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