Majority of Kentucky voters wants a s...

Majority of Kentucky voters wants a statewide ban on smoking in public places

There are 24 comments on the Lexington Herald-Leader story from Feb 8, 2014, titled Majority of Kentucky voters wants a statewide ban on smoking in public places. In it, Lexington Herald-Leader reports that:

A majority of Kentucky voters approves of a legislative proposal to ban smoking in bars, restaurants, offices and other public places throughout the state.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#3 Feb 10, 2014
MichaelJMcFadden wrote:
Interesting article -- given that just four months ago I published a 500+ page book titled "TobakkoNacht -- The Antismoking Endgame" in which I both predicted this path AND outlined how it can and why it SHOULD be successfully stopped.
When we see a social movement that seeks to scare parents into not allowing their children to visit with grandparents on Christmas because of the "poison" on their carpeting, when we see a movement that shrugs off the closure of thousands of pubs and the firings/layoffs of tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of workers, when we see a movement that promotes the hatred, denormalization, dehumanization, and ghettoization of hundreds of millions of human beings... then we see a movement that needs to be stopped.
To gain a better understanding of just how this sort of thing can grow, how baseless its claims are, and why it is so serious, read the "Author's Preface" at http://TobakkoNacht.com
- MJM
Michael-

I didn't follow your link, but it's clear that the anti-smoking movement uses language very similar to that employed in support of other segregationist movements in recent history.

Bud uses them frequently. "Smokers are lazy." "Smokers stink." "Smokers are undesirable socially" "Smokers are taking something from the rest of us". "Smokers have low IQ's", and on and on.

Substitute "negros" or "jews" for smokers and you get the picture pretty quickly.
Jimbob

Louisville, KY

#4 Feb 10, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Michael-
I didn't follow your link, but it's clear that the anti-smoking movement uses language very similar to that employed in support of other segregationist movements in recent history.
Bud uses them frequently. "Smokers are lazy." "Smokers stink." "Smokers are undesirable socially" "Smokers are taking something from the rest of us". "Smokers have low IQ's", and on and on.
Substitute "negros" or "jews" for smokers and you get the picture pretty quickly.
Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially. If you're so stupid you choose to ignore all the health risks of smoking then yeah, you are a moron. Most people are lazy, so that's not applicable to smokers, don't know why you threw that in there. And the only thing you're taking is your own life. Anyway, enjoy the new laws, your own stench, and your early grave!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#5 Feb 10, 2014
Jimbob wrote:
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Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially. If you're so stupid you choose to ignore all the health risks of smoking then yeah, you are a moron. Most people are lazy, so that's not applicable to smokers, don't know why you threw that in there. And the only thing you're taking is your own life. Anyway, enjoy the new laws, your own stench, and your early grave!
Thanks for proving my point.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Feb 10, 2014
MichaelJMcFadden wrote:
Jimbob, you wrote, "Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially."
JB, your writing gives some indications that you may be suffering from ASDS, AntiSmokers' Dysfunction Syndrome. It's a very serious condition that harms not only your own life, but also the lives of those near you. Stephanie Stahl has used the first section of my earlier book, "Dissecting Antismokers' Brains" as a basis for outlining the condition and for pointing to some steps toward recovery. You might want to read what she wrote at:
http://wispofsmoke.net/recovery.html
Read it and consider it, not only for your own sake, but for the happiness of those you care about.
Dan, yes, the language and techniques are very similar, but much more sophisticated than they were in the past. In both Brains and TNacht I examine a number of examples where the arts have been "bought" in various ways to distribute antismoking language, attitudes, and prejudices/illnesses (such as we've both seen here in JB's case, and, to a great extent I believe, in BudS's.
Dan, please *do* read that Author's Preface Dan: I'd be interested in hearing your comments on it.
- MJM
I did read it, and while you are correct in the Godwin's Law reference, it's not too far afield in this instance.

The same polemics are in play RE: the migration of public sentiment.

“Hello”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#8 Feb 10, 2014
Can't wait till its statewide! Other states are, and are doing just fine. Smokers can take their butts outside and smoke their nasty filthy cigarettes.

“Hello”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#9 Feb 10, 2014
Jimbob wrote:
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Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially. If you're so stupid you choose to ignore all the health risks of smoking then yeah, you are a moron. Most people are lazy, so that's not applicable to smokers, don't know why you threw that in there. And the only thing you're taking is your own life. Anyway, enjoy the new laws, your own stench, and your early grave!
Totally agree. Be glad to enter any building here in Kentucky and not deal with cigarette smoke. We have the highest rate of lung cancer victims, and and it cost us major $$$ in health costs, but the addicts will bytch about this, lol. They yell about losing freedoms, when all they have to do is take their lighter and cigarettes outside to get their fix.
Anony-Miss

Lexington, KY

#10 Feb 10, 2014
I'll smoke when and wherever I please! The more people I piss off the better,screw you losers!

“Hello”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#11 Feb 10, 2014
Anony-Miss wrote:
I'll smoke when and wherever I please! The more people I piss off the better,screw you losers!
Not if it says "No Smoking"..:-).

“Come and get it! ”

Level 3

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#12 Feb 10, 2014
Terrible idea...
Social outcasts

Winnipeg, Canada

#13 Mar 3, 2014
And its about time too. Imagine being held hostage by a small number of nic addicts
Social outcasts

Winnipeg, Canada

#14 Mar 3, 2014
Anony-Miss wrote:
I'll smoke when and wherever I please! The more people I piss off the better,screw you losers!
Non smokers are losers? Buh wah ha ha wrong stinky
Social outcasts

Winnipeg, Canada

#15 Mar 3, 2014
Jimbob wrote:
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Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially. If you're so stupid you choose to ignore all the health risks of smoking then yeah, you are a moron. Most people are lazy, so that's not applicable to smokers, don't know why you threw that in there. And the only thing you're taking is your own life. Anyway, enjoy the new laws, your own stench, and your early grave!
When these turds walk they huff and puff cause they have tar lungs.
choices

Anonymous Proxy

#16 Mar 3, 2014
Sandy06 wrote:
Can't wait till its statewide! Other states are, and are doing just fine. Smokers can take their butts outside and smoke their nasty filthy cigarettes.
Some Non-Smokers need to jump off their judgmental high horse. What others do is their own business, none of yours. Adults have a right to their own personal choices.
Maybe you'd prefer smokers start asking that the perfumes you wear be banned, they can cause severe reactions for those with respiratory problems. Or that your makeup be banned, because the way you look is offensive to some.
BAN SMOKING NOW

Winnipeg, Canada

#17 Mar 4, 2014
choices wrote:
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Some Non-Smokers need to jump off their judgmental high horse. What others do is their own business, none of yours. Adults have a right to their own personal choices.
Maybe you'd prefer smokers start asking that the perfumes you wear be banned, they can cause severe reactions for those with respiratory problems. Or that your makeup be banned, because the way you look is offensive to some.
We already have requests for perfume bans or peanut bans. Tobacco is another sick behavior that needs to end.
I will check you

Jeffersonville, IN

#18 Mar 4, 2014
BAN SMOKING NOW wrote:
<quoted text> We already have requests for perfume bans or peanut bans. Tobacco is another sick behavior that needs to end.
And so is reproduction. Or procreation, if you prefer. Most especially among canadians. God knows we need less of them.
BUTTHEADS

Winnipeg, Canada

#19 Mar 4, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Michael-
I didn't follow your link, but it's clear that the anti-smoking movement uses language very similar to that employed in support of other segregationist movements in recent history.
Bud uses them frequently. "Smokers are lazy." "Smokers stink." "Smokers are undesirable socially" "Smokers are taking something from the rest of us". "Smokers have low IQ's", and on and on.
Substitute "negros" or "jews" for smokers and you get the picture pretty quickly.
Dan you took the words right out of my brain. Good on ya! I think you've got it. What would God say?
BUTTHEADS

Winnipeg, Canada

#20 Mar 4, 2014
I will check you wrote:
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And so is reproduction. Or procreation, if you prefer. Most especially among canadians. God knows we need less of them.
nice try being clever. Try again
Zebo

Martin, TN

#22 Mar 23, 2014
Jimbob wrote:
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Well, smokers do stink. You smell like a giant walking turd. And no, people who don't smoke wouldn't want to have a smoker around stinking up the place, so you are undesirable socially. If you're so stupid you choose to ignore all the health risks of smoking then yeah, you are a moron. Most people are lazy, so that's not applicable to smokers, don't know why you threw that in there. And the only thing you're taking is your own life. Anyway, enjoy the new laws, your own stench, and your early grave!
Then Liberty stinks as well. The moment we start parcelling out liberty based on preferred behavior, then that's the moment liberty can be denied to the masses.

If Tobacco is such an evil, then why is it still legal. Shouldn't the DEA and the ATF be out cutting down every stalk of it? Do we really need any more religious crusades that play right into the government's hands?

It's time to stop this insane interference into people's lives that goes way beyond any sense of reason If our founders were alive today, they would literally cry over what we are doing to ourselves and this nation.

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#23 Mar 23, 2014
Zebo wrote:
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Then Liberty stinks as well. The moment we start parcelling out liberty based on preferred behavior, then that's the moment liberty can be denied to the masses.
If Tobacco is such an evil, then why is it still legal. Shouldn't the DEA and the ATF be out cutting down every stalk of it? Do we really need any more religious crusades that play right into the government's hands?
It's time to stop this insane interference into people's lives that goes way beyond any sense of reason If our founders were alive today, they would literally cry over what we are doing to ourselves and this nation.
The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
Guess what. We WILL regulate tobacco and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.

I win. You lose.
Zebo

Martin, TN

#24 Mar 23, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
Guess what. We WILL regulate tobacco and there is not a damn thing you can do about it.
I win. You lose.
Then wear your Swastikas proudly.

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