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Mar 14, 2012
 
Why is Kentucky stuck in the nineteenth century?

- Kentucky has a 40% illiteracy rate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/...

- Kentucky's average IQ is only 92:
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/red-...

Why are people seemingly oblivious to this? Perhaps this is not a matter of concern? My anecdotal observation is that rather than do anything about this the people here simply react by treating each other abusively or by abusing pain medication. I apologize if this is incendiary but I don't know of a more polite way of stating it. I would like to be wrong. Am I? Has anyone actually thought of
doing anything about this...say electing a candidate more concerned with education rather than some esoteric ideological crusade? In essence creationism, drug war silliness, abortion, and all the rest of the antiquated nonsense that prevents anyone from taking us seriously?

Sadly I am expecting a volley of abusive posts in reponse to this. Please prove me wrong by refuting my observation; or I guess that you can instead show your intellectual laziness by resorting to abusive ad-hominem tactics. It's a free country. In advance to these people: typical Kentucky. To those with a valid answer: thank you for proving me wrong.
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Is that you Johnny Masters ???
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No but I am aware of him and like what he has to say the majority of the time. I'm actually a female and currently doing some microbiology graduate work.
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Bud wrote:
<quoted text>Judging people you don't even know based on the state they live in.....speaks volumes about YOUR IQ, doesn't it?
Thank you for proving my point about the intellectual laziness leading to ad-hominem attacks...I knew that it was just a matter of time!

Contrary to your ad-hominem attack questioning my IQ, I am from Kentucky - so I would consequently be judging myself. That was not an opinion but a scientifically-validated statistic that I cited. Numbers do not have personal feelings and do not judge. That statistic only referred to the aggregate; it may or may not apply to any one individual. I am merely repeating it. Don't shoot the messenger!

Also I cannot refute the fact that you hold the opinion that I have a low IQ (or at least appear to do so). Truthfully MENSA disagrees with this, but perhaps they are mistaken. It is possible that they are wrong and that you are right, though it is unlikely.
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Mar 14, 2012
 
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Thank you for proving my point about the intellectual laziness leading to ad-hominem attacks...I knew that it was just a matter of time!
Contrary to your ad-hominem attack questioning my IQ, I am from Kentucky - so I would consequently be judging myself. That was not an opinion but a scientifically-validated statistic that I cited. Numbers do not have personal feelings and do not judge. That statistic only referred to the aggregate; it may or may not apply to any one individual. I am merely repeating it. Don't shoot the messenger!
Also I cannot refute the fact that you hold the opinion that I have a low IQ (or at least appear to do so). Truthfully MENSA disagrees with this, but perhaps they are mistaken. It is possible that they are wrong and that you are right, though it is unlikely.
I'm sorry but I forgot to add that it is impossible to refute an opinion. By nature of your reponse being an opinion rather than a fact, it is impossible for me to refute. I can show you the results of my IQ test, but you are still entitled to the opinion that I have a low IQ since I hold views that make you uncomfortable. The IQ statistic that I cite is a fact - a non personal fact - and unless you can critique the study's methodology or expose fraud, I don't believe that you can refute that. Additionally it is my opinion that this is very worrisome. You are entitled to the opinion that this state of affairs is acceptable. It is a free country. Generally I don't respond to ad-hominem attacks as they are intellectually lazy and a waste of my time, but I feel compelled to do so occasionally because I frankly encounter them so often here. Anyway thank you for your response and have a good day!
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Mar 14, 2012
 
creationism is antiquated? So i guess the big bang theory is the future and lemme guess, we came from monkey's? Lady, that belief is way more far fetched than creationism. So despite all the eye witness accounts of UFO's, strange hauntings, there is obviously something else....but wait lemme guess hollywood has brain washed you into thinking its aliens from another planet and not what the bible says it is? Gimme a bologna break!!
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Kentuckistan wrote:
No but I am aware of him and like what he has to say the majority of the time. I'm actually a female and currently doing some microbiology graduate work.
You might be a female but a few months ago, You were Johnny Masters. FYI (istan) following a name means (Land Of). Kentuckistan means (Land Of Kentucky). Kentucky is an indian (the native American kind) word for Dark and Bloody Ground.

So your word is (Land Of Dark And Bloody Ground). Better stick to what you know. ie microbiology......
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Typical atheist post, blind to the fact that moral degradation of society is directly attributed to taking the law of god out of school. Go back to sleep Kentuclistan everything will be ok. Praise god! For he is my salvation and truth.
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Mar 14, 2012
 
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You might be a female but a few months ago, You were Johnny Masters. FYI (istan) following a name means (Land Of). Kentuckistan means (Land Of Kentucky). Kentucky is an indian (the native American kind) word for Dark and Bloody Ground.
So your word is (Land Of Dark And Bloody Ground). Better stick to what you know. ie microbiology......
Lol!! Good one.
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Bud wrote:
<quoted text>Awwwwwwww......does your mommy know you post unkind comments on Topix, little girl? LOL!
Is little girl an insult? I merely offered that I was female in response to a suggestion that I was Johnny Masters. How have I been unkind though, if you would please explain it to me? I have not directed any sort of abusiveness to anyone. I find it fascinating that "little girl" is considered an insult in patriarchal society. Could you please explain that to me as well? Had I instead pretended to be a male, would I still have received the insult "little girl?" or a different one? Thank you!
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Jako Clown wrote:
creationism is antiquated? So i guess the big bang theory is the future and lemme guess, we came from monkey's? Lady, that belief is way more far fetched than creationism. So despite all the eye witness accounts of UFO's, strange hauntings, there is obviously something else....but wait lemme guess hollywood has brain washed you into thinking its aliens from another planet and not what the bible says it is? Gimme a bologna break!!
Oh dear. Honestly I don't know where to begin with this post. You are attributing many things personally to me as an individual because it appears that I represent a certain type of person to you. Despite this I don't mind answering these allegations as they apply to me personally.

Perhaps i am wrong but I don't believe that I have been brainwashed by Hollywood. I believe that I have been brainwashed by science textbooks. Though I could be incorrect, I am attributing your fanciful allegations about aliens and literal Biblical inerrancy to unfamiliarity with these textbooks. Have you ever read one before? I can promise you that they say nothing about aliens; at least none that I have encountered. Thank you and have a good day though!
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Mar 14, 2012
 
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Typical atheist post, blind to the fact that moral degradation of society is directly attributed to taking the law of god out of school. Go back to sleep Kentuclistan everything will be ok. Praise god! For he is my salvation and truth.
Perhaps I am mistaken but I don't believe that I have given anyone a reason to assume that I am an atheist. Honestly I am not one; I would characterize my beliefs as agnostic tending toward deism or pantheism (I think that God is more likely than not but have never seen conclusive evidence either way).

As far as moral degradation goes, I respectfully disagree. During the 1950s there existed prayer in American schools. People also supported Jim Crow laws and routinely treated their fellow human beings as sub-human. Thousands of women died every year because they had back-alley abortions.

Going further back the Bible was used to justify slavery and wife-beating, as well as the murder of homosexuals. The penalty for rape in the old testament is merely fifty silver shekels paid to the girl's father and a forced marriage. That hardly seems moral to me. Though many love to expound on the moral breakdown of society, I rather doubt that they have actually read the book. Probably because they are too busy bashing others over the head with it:

http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt...
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Additionally I have seen two comments here alluding to my gender that are perhaps meant to be insults: "little girl" and "lady." Could somebody please explain to me why you personally feel that identifying someone's female gender is an insult? This is typically why I never share my gender in an online Kentucky forum; those unfamiliar with debate or just intellectually lazy often resort to ad hominem attacks in order to divert attention from their inability to refute a statement, and oftentimes my gender is an easy one to sieze on. It is honestly fascinating to me in a certain sense; why does one's gender automatically discredit a logical statement? This intellectual Purdah reminds one of Afghanistan or something (hence my name).
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Mar 14, 2012
 
Bud wrote:
<quoted text>So you think that implying Kentuckians are ignorant, uneducated hillbillies isn't unkind and abusive? Kentucky is a beautiful state with decent, hardworking people....and I'm very proud to be a Kentuckian. And I couldn't care less if you have a problem with that. And "little girl" means that you're a little too young to think you know everything.
Again I am from Kentucky, so any criticism of them would automatically apply to me as well. I'm not implying anything; I'm merely quoting statistics reflective of the education system here. These apply to an aggregate and not to any one individual. I'm merely asking why nobody seems to find a problem with this state of affairs. I think it is quite worrisome. The good news is that it can be changed. I'm not implying that anyone is "stupid" here; literacy rates and even IQ are quite changeable. Why isn't overhauling the education system a priority?! There is a direct correlation between GDP and literacy rates. It just seems that the socially conservative ideological issues upon which the electorate seems to obsess about here (no to homosexual marriage, no to teaching evolution) are a waste of time ultimately. This state has an abysmal education system and a terrible economy. People are suffering here. And there isn't a reason for it ultimately; if they just invested money in education or attracting jobs, these issues could go away. Instead predatory politicians come in and convince the vulnerable electorate to accept policies detrimental to their own welfare (such as not investing in education), just because they vote "no" to homosexual marriage or something. Meanwhile the money not spent on schools is ultimately pocketed by the wealthy and then people are astonished that "nobody can read good."
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Perhaps I am mistaken but I don't believe that I have given anyone a reason to assume that I am an atheist. Honestly I am not one; I would characterize my beliefs as agnostic tending toward deism or pantheism (I think that God is more likely than not but have never seen conclusive evidence either way).
As far as moral degradation goes, I respectfully disagree. During the 1950s there existed prayer in American schools. People also supported Jim Crow laws and routinely treated their fellow human beings as sub-human. Thousands of women died every year because they had back-alley abortions.
Going further back the Bible was used to justify slavery and wife-beating, as well as the murder of homosexuals. The penalty for rape in the old testament is merely fifty silver shekels paid to the girl's father and a forced marriage. That hardly seems moral to me. Though many love to expound on the moral breakdown of society, I rather doubt that they have actually read the book. Probably because they are too busy bashing others over the head with it:
http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt...
what laws the jews had was none of our business, you sure like to point out the bad parts of the bible but lets not forget the message, love thy neighbor, do unto other's, great are joy peace and love but the greatest of these is love. Has it ever occured to you the reason the lord sent christ was because although the old laws were perfect he realized they were to harsh and made a new covenant with man i.e. New testiment. Ive seen a UFO so the fact that you havnt doesnt matter to me, i know what i saw and i also know the passages in the bible that pretains to ufo's. The only reason my faith bloomed so much since 2008 is because of what i saw. I used to be an agnostic border line atheist too, so I Empathize with your lost heart, that hole you seem to not be able to fill, i was there...science this, science that, the bible contradicts its self, blah blah the list goes on, Jesus opened my eyes to the wicked, i cant even watch TV anymore with out wanting to puke at how even seemingly innocent shows are hateful and disgusting....repent kentuckistan, matthew 24 is comming to light, 2nd timothy chapter 3,4. The whole book describes these perilous times, daniel 11 talks about the mideast uprising, isaiah 45 tells you the earth is round, something i recall modern humans had trouble believing...flat?? Really? Looks like ole columbius shoulda read the bible. Psalms talks about the sun having a rotation...ill get the verse for you although im sure yu can google it. But oh nooooo tne bible is just a story book, luke 21:25 is clearly happening but jesus is a fraud? Youd better wake up atheist's this stuff is no coincidence Jesus clearly told us the world would go through like birthing pangs, and ill be damned if these earthquakes arent getting closer together, Jesus is the way the truth the light, amen!
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Mar 16, 2012
 
Kentuckistan wrote:
Why is Kentucky stuck in the nineteenth century?
- Kentucky has a 40% illiteracy rate:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/...
- Kentucky's average IQ is only 92:
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/red-...
Why are people seemingly oblivious to this? Perhaps this is not a matter of concern? My anecdotal observation is that rather than do anything about this the people here simply react by treating each other abusively or by abusing pain medication. I apologize if this is incendiary but I don't know of a more polite way of stating it. I would like to be wrong. Am I? Has anyone actually thought of
doing anything about this...say electing a candidate more concerned with education rather than some esoteric ideological crusade? In essence creationism, drug war silliness, abortion, and all the rest of the antiquated nonsense that prevents anyone from taking us seriously?
Sadly I am expecting a volley of abusive posts in reponse to this. Please prove me wrong by refuting my observation; or I guess that you can instead show your intellectual laziness by resorting to abusive ad-hominem tactics. It's a free country. In advance to these people: typical Kentucky. To those with a valid answer: thank you for proving me wrong.
These aren't the only problems Kentuckistan have, and you are right about nearly everything you are saying. It's ridiculous... I read about 10 posts down... and all of them stupid! It's hard to get on these forums anymore, unless I can find more like minded folks. I basically just post some info I want others to know, and when the haterz come on, give them some resistance, and then stop the forum. I made my point. It can be searched, and go on.

Okay! Yeah, Kentucky's got problems. 2 outta 5 of us cannot read (mostly white), and no, nobody is doing anything about it. We are consistently voted on the bottom of education lists, we had some Progressive Education, KERA, in 1990, but little improvement. Frankfort is cutting education funding now, and so without the resources, we are going to remain stagnant as we have for so long. I wrote a letter to a newspaper in Louisville about how our schools are interfering with our education, and they censored that stat about 2 outta 5 Kentuckians cannot read.

I think the redneck culture has lots to do with it. It seems like it's cool to act backwards, and to say words with a loud twang, and say "taters", and wear cowboy hats, even if you never herded cattle in your life, and to be racist. That will to act backward is dangerous...

A lot of folks point out that Kentucky is a cross section of lots of ideas... we do have Hunter S Thompson Muhammad Ali George Clooney and Johnny Depp and Ashley Judd, so there's some good blood there... plus John G. Fee, Cassius Clay, and the Great Abraham Lincoln. So there's strong, important countercurrents going on. So there's possibility of hope, though in the short term, I don't see any.
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Mar 16, 2012
 
Scarecrow wrote:
Is that you Johnny Masters ???
Why u assume everybody who types logically is Johnny Masters ? U must be obsessed with him.
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Mar 16, 2012
 
Kentuckistan wrote:
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I'm sorry but I forgot to add that it is impossible to refute an opinion. By nature of your reponse being an opinion rather than a fact, it is impossible for me to refute. I can show you the results of my IQ test, but you are still entitled to the opinion that I have a low IQ since I hold views that make you uncomfortable. The IQ statistic that I cite is a fact - a non personal fact - and unless you can critique the study's methodology or expose fraud, I don't believe that you can refute that. Additionally it is my opinion that this is very worrisome. You are entitled to the opinion that this state of affairs is acceptable. It is a free country. Generally I don't respond to ad-hominem attacks as they are intellectually lazy and a waste of my time, but I feel compelled to do so occasionally because I frankly encounter them so often here. Anyway thank you for your response and have a good day!
That's so true! U can't refute an opinion!
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More Insane Stats for Kentuckistan:

#1 for Child Deaths in Child Abuse Cases
#1 for Cancer Deaths
#1 for Toothlessness
#1 for Fastest Growing Prisons
28% Turnout Rate, so none of the govts have democratic legitimacy.
#1 for Mental Health Issues
Over 1/3 of adults and children are obese.
Poverty, one of the poorest in America; Owsley County has a 45% poverty rate. 15 of the poorest counties exist in Eastern Kentuckistan. It's the Trailer Park of America.
3/5 of Letcher County, or maybe 4/5, don't have running water. No running water ! That's 3rd World Standards.
These statistics have been with Kentucky since the squatters followed Danny Boone into Kentuckistan, and they exist today. It's the same battles, and the same problems, they never get fixed. Gatewood was a perrenial candidate because Kentucky has perrenial problems. Gatewood's message, no matter who speaks it, will still resonate, every Governor's election, from here to perpetuity. We need more revenue, marijuana is a perfect replacement crop for tobacco, the machines are the same, so let the farmers keep working, doing what they already know how to do, and earn Kentucky plenty of revenue to fix our education, literacy, domestic violence, prison rates, unsolved murders, corruption in goverment, bloated pension plans, and a severe brain drain, where the smart and talented go elsewhere in the country because Kentucky wasn't for them.
#1 cash crop is Marijuana. Cha Cha says that E Ky is raising 70% of America's Marijuana. It's already there... hemp was in our history... world war 2... before then...
75% of the police are white men
Of course it's a police state, but that's seems to be consistent across America.
Poor Sick and Dumb... they got bad hearts... cardiovascular problems. Or we... too much smoking... too much drinking (which is remarkable since 70? 95?, a really high number, of Kentucky's 120 counties are DRY, meaning Prohibition, in 2012, they can't buy Bud Light at their neighborhood store)... too many pills... too much meth... and Rand Paul is against government problems, and with the conservative bent, pro-McCain in 2008, and pro-Hillary Clinton, anti-gay Amendment Referendum was approved by the voters of Kentucky in 2004, or the 28% who voted, and Casinos will not be on the ballot this Nov for us to vote on it; anti-evolution, with the Ark Park and the Creation Museum in Northern Kentucky. Plus there's all the lynchings and race riots... 1975 race riots in Louisville because Louisville decided to Integrate the City thru Their Busing Plan, which the Robert's Court is undoing, in 2006, with Meredith v Jefferson County Supreme Court case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meredith_v._Jeff... in 1976, Kentucky finally ratified the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments to the Constitution, the Amendments that freed the slaves, and enabled them to vote, and have citizenship. In 1976!!! That was 36 years ago. Jim Crow for Alabama was in the 1950s, but Kentuckistan prolonged it till the late 1970s, after they forget to champion the 60s, which wouldn't have mattered anyways, since integration passed, but economic, structural, political changes were minor. Hunter S Thompson talks about the failure of the 60s. Muhammad Ali was taken out of the prime of his life because of his opposition to the Vietnam War... Cassius Clay was ran out of Kentucky when he started an anti-slavery newspaper. Berea College was started by abolitionist John Fee. Just some things about Kentucky off the top of my head...
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