Gay is not a sin

United States

#21 Feb 19, 2013
Anyone who hates gays.... Hates him or her self. It's a proven psychological fact! Google it! Facts don't Lie..... Only Bigots Lie!
Siren

United States

#22 Feb 19, 2013
_Twisted Wicked_ wrote:
All religions have taught that it is an Abomination.
umm no. All religions have not taught such a thing. In the world's history there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of religions. Out of those approximately 3 teach homosexuality is wrong. 3 out of thousands.
For the record- the King James Bible which was named after King James and is the most widely used and accepted english translation of the holy books of the bible- it was translated at King James' request. In case you weren't aware, he also happened to be the most flambuoyantly gay king the world has ever seen, was a frequent cross dresser, and regularly held parades for gays, trannies, and cross dressers that were seen as huge festivals and great events of fun throughout the kingdom. So yes, your beloved bible as you know it was translated and compiled for a 'flaming faggot'. The world really does need less bigots. Love who you love- love is one thing there simply isnt enough of.
-Masters-

Louisville, KY

#23 Feb 19, 2013
Gay is not a sin wrote:
Actually the only ones who will burn are you narrow minded bigots! Seriously tho Scarecrow you are just mad because there are gay people everywhere and you can say and do Nothing about it! Maybe you should come out of your closet panzie boy!
U know whose most turned on by gay porn? Homophobes like Scarecrow are. It's true. There was a study done on it. Those who claimed to hate homosexuals the most, were the ones who were most turned on by it.
-Masters-

Louisville, KY

#24 Feb 19, 2013
Siren wrote:
<quoted text>
umm no. All religions have not taught such a thing. In the world's history there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of religions. Out of those approximately 3 teach homosexuality is wrong. 3 out of thousands.
For the record- the King James Bible which was named after King James and is the most widely used and accepted english translation of the holy books of the bible- it was translated at King James' request. In case you weren't aware, he also happened to be the most flambuoyantly gay king the world has ever seen, was a frequent cross dresser, and regularly held parades for gays, trannies, and cross dressers that were seen as huge festivals and great events of fun throughout the kingdom. So yes, your beloved bible as you know it was translated and compiled for a 'flaming faggot'. The world really does need less bigots. Love who you love- love is one thing there simply isnt enough of.
King James was gay... David and Jonathan were gay... next ur gonna tell me Jesus Christ was gay! I guess in way.. he was gay for God... and God was gay for him back! Is any type of love, b/t 2 men, gay? Even if there's no sex? Like... gay-ish?!!?
Siren

United States

#25 Feb 19, 2013
-Masters- wrote:
<quoted text>
King James was gay... David and Jonathan were gay... next ur gonna tell me Jesus Christ was gay! I guess in way.. he was gay for God... and God was gay for him back! Is any type of love, b/t 2 men, gay? Even if there's no sex? Like... gay-ish?!!?
as far as I know Jesus was straight. But King James? His outspoken homosexuality is a verifiable historical fact.

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Deadwood, SD

#26 Feb 19, 2013
Siren wrote:
<quoted text>
umm no. All religions have not taught such a thing. In the world's history there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of religions. Out of those approximately 3 teach homosexuality is wrong. 3 out of thousands.
For the record- the King James Bible which was named after King James and is the most widely used and accepted english translation of the holy books of the bible- it was translated at King James' request. In case you weren't aware, he also happened to be the most flambuoyantly gay king the world has ever seen, was a frequent cross dresser, and regularly held parades for gays, trannies, and cross dressers that were seen as huge festivals and great events of fun throughout the kingdom. So yes, your beloved bible as you know it was translated and compiled for a 'flaming faggot'. The world really does need less bigots. Love who you love- love is one thing there simply isnt enough of.
James was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, on June 19.1566. He was the only son of Mary, Queen of Scots. His father, Lord Darnley was killed in an explosion when James was only eight months old.When James was one year old, his mother abdicated the throne of Scotland and James officially became king. She never saw her son again.
James was supervised during his childhood by several Scottish lords. He had several tutors, all evangelical Protestants. He became fluent in Greek, French, and Latin and received classical instruction in all three of these languages as well as English. He was kept fairly isolated until age 14. He developed a great fondness for books. Even as a teenager he was recognized as a serious scholar.
In 1589 James was married to Anne, the daughter of Frederick II king of Denmark. They had eight children together. When Queen Elizabeth (his mother's cousin) died, James was next in line for the throne of England. In 1603 he was crowned King of England. He was officially King James VI of Scotland and King James I of England. He quickly ended the English war with Spain and England was to live in peace during his reign.
James survived four assassination attempts, the most famous of which was the Gunpowder Plot of 1605. A Roman Catholic agent, Guy Fawkes, had planted several barrels of gunpowder in the basement of Parliament. He planned to blow up the Parliament building while James was addressing the Parliament. His plot was disclosed and defeated. The English still celebrate the survival of James and the Parliament with a national holiday - Guy Fawkes Day.
Even though James had many opponents among the nobility and the clergy, he remained popular among the English people. England experienced both peace and prosperity during his rule
James was a strong advocate of the doctrine of the divine right of kings. Many Protestants felt that he took this concept much farther in his teaching and in his pronouncements than the Scripture warranted. However he ruled in a generally kind and benevolent manner rather than as a royal despot His many enemies were never able to generate any grassroots support among the people of England for their criticism of James.
The English program to colonize the Atlantic seaboard, begun under Queen Elizabeth, was strengthened under the influence of King James. Jamestown, the first enduring English settlement in the new world, was named after King James. King James's most conspicuous claims to fame were the formation of Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland under one throne) and the sponsorship of the King James translation of the Bible.
Even King James's most loyal supporters acknowledged that he was sometimes unwise in his selection of advisors and cabinet ministers. Historian George McCauely wrote:"..... he could never tell a good man from a rogue or a wise man from a fool." As a result, he was surrounded by plots and intrigues, especially the last few years of his life.
In 1625 King James passed away peacefully at his country estate in Hertfordshire.

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Deadwood, SD

#27 Feb 19, 2013
Siren wrote:
<quoted text>
umm no. All religions have not taught such a thing. In the world's history there have been hundreds, if not thousands, of religions. Out of those approximately 3 teach homosexuality is wrong. 3 out of thousands.
For the record- the King James Bible which was named after King James and is the most widely used and accepted english translation of the holy books of the bible- it was translated at King James' request. In case you weren't aware, he also happened to be the most flambuoyantly gay king the world has ever seen, was a frequent cross dresser, and regularly held parades for gays, trannies, and cross dressers that were seen as huge festivals and great events of fun throughout the kingdom. So yes, your beloved bible as you know it was translated and compiled for a 'flaming faggot'. The world really does need less bigots. Love who you love- love is one thing there simply isnt enough of.
THE ORIGINS OF THE ATTACK ON KING JAMES

There is no record of anyone accusing King James of homosexual behavior during his lifetime. If you read most modern historians, you would believe that King James's homosexuality was open and widely recognized but this is far from the truth. There are absolutely no contemporary accounts alleging homosexuality on King James's part though there are contemporary accounts praising him for his moral virtue.

Sir Anthony Welden was an officer in the royal household of King James. He was knighted by King James in 1617. He was eventually dismissed from the royal court by King James. He vowed to get revenge!

He supported the anti-monarchy forces during the English Civil War. Twenty-five years after the death of King James,(one year after the execution of Charles I, King James's son) Welden made the first accusations of homosexuality against King James. His statements were widely rejected at the time because there were still too many living people who had known King James personally and who dismissed the allegations as ridiculous.

Disgruntled courtiers and political opponents picked up the allegations against King James and began to use innuendo to hurt his reputation. While not accusing him directly of homosexuality, they tried to create questions about his loyalties to his close friends and associates. These seventeenth century critics seem to fall into two groups. Some had their political and personal ambitions thwarted by King James. Others opposed his policy of uniting Scotland and England into one kingdom. All of these allegations come from people with a strong bias against James and they all were made a long time after his death.

Some historians began to repeat these attacks against King James without investigation. Soon vague allegations, rumor, innuendo and speculations were reported as historical fact. While some historians have sifted through the rumors to get the facts, many just repeated the statements of previous historians without any examination.

In the eighteenth century the primary reporters of King James's homosexuality, were those who opposed the union of Great Britain and also Roman Catholics who resented the support that James gave Protestants. In the twentieth century two different groups have clung to the allegations about King James and propagated them in defiance of the facts.

Homosexual activists have been determined to claim King James as one of their own. These are the same activists who claim that Abraham Lincoln, William Shakespeare, the Biblical King David and Jonathan and even Jesus Christ were really homosexuals. Historical facts means nothing to these people. They care only about their political and social agenda. It is a travesty when evangelicals quote their books as credible sources. The second group which refuses to be persuaded by the facts about King James are those who wish to use King James's supposed homosexuality to discredit the King James Bible.
Revelations

Marcus Hook, PA

#28 Feb 19, 2013
Noone will listen to you twisted wicked, they only wanna hear and see what they wanna hear and see, the truth is as poison to them and they just wanna lust after their own fleshly desires....Im done with the lot of em, my post's are aimed at people like Crow, Wake up, and other true to gospel christians that arent scared to face truth. Good luck in getting this foul mouthed shameless group to come to truth. Smh

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Deadwood, SD

#29 Feb 19, 2013
Revelations wrote:
Noone will listen to you twisted wicked, they only wanna hear and see what they wanna hear and see, the truth is as poison to them and they just wanna lust after their own fleshly desires....Im done with the lot of em, my post's are aimed at people like Crow, Wake up, and other true to gospel christians that arent scared to face truth. Good luck in getting this foul mouthed shameless group to come to truth. Smh
I knew i`d hear crickets when i posted the truth.
Gay is not a sin

Henderson, TN

#30 Feb 19, 2013
YOU POSTED FILTH AND LIES that is why no one is talking back to you
Revelations

Marcus Hook, PA

#31 Feb 19, 2013
I suspect this is a troll post anyhow, probably Piggy messin with us or ha ha, or lol
Revelations

Marcus Hook, PA

#33 Feb 20, 2013
Gay is Not a Sin wrote:
Revelations, you should go check yourself into the mental ward! Seriously you are a vile Piggy.
muahahah.....we are all vile piggies my son! Bahaha, from the homeless beggar to the PotUS, every damned one of us...vile piggies! Muahaha

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Deadwood, SD

#34 Feb 20, 2013
Gay is not a sin wrote:
YOU POSTED FILTH AND LIES that is why no one is talking back to you
I can post the truth over and over,

But I can`t help you understand it.
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#35 Feb 20, 2013
_Twisted Wicked_ wrote:
<quoted text>THE ORIGINS OF THE ATTACK ON KING JAMES
Forgive me the length of time in replying, as I had to use topix from my computer to relay such a wealth of information. You are mistaken. There are in fact, MANY, who have refuted King James to be gay even though you state there were NONE who said he was. Let me summarize:
Esmé Stewart, 1st Duke of Lennox- At the age of 13, James made his formal entry into Edinburgh. Upon arriving he met the 37-year-old, married, father of 5 children, Franco-Scottish lord Esmé Stewart, 6th Lord d'Aubigny, whom the Puritan leader Sir James Melville described as "of nature, upright, just, and gentle". The two became extremely close and it was said by an English observer that "from the time he was 14 years old and no more, that is, when the Lord Stuart came into Scotland... even then he began... to clasp some one in the embraces of his great love, above all others" and that James became "in such love with him as in the open sight of the people often he will clasp him about the neck with his arms and kiss him".
The King first made Aubigny a gentleman of the bedchamber. Later, he appointed him to the Privy Council and created him earl and finally duke of Lennox. At the end Lennox chose James and the king taught him the doctrines of Calvinism. The Scottish Kirk remained suspicious of Lennox after his public conversion and took alarm when he had the earl of Morton tried and beheaded on charges of treason. The Scottish ministry was also warned that the duke sought to "draw the King to carnal lust".
Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset- A few years later after the controversy over his relationship with Lennox faded away he began a relationship with Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset.[9] In 1607, at a royal jousting contest, 17-year-old Robert Carr, the son of Sir Thomas Carr or Kerr of Ferniehurst, was knocked from a horse and broke his leg. According to Thomas Howard, 1st Earl of Suffolk, James fell in love with the young man, and as the years progressed showered Carr with gifts.[10] Carr was made a gentleman of the bedchamber and he was noted for his handsome appearance as well as his limited intelligence. His downfall came through Frances Howard, a beautiful young married woman. Upon Carr's request, James stacked a court of bishops that would allow her to divorce her husband in order to marry Carr. As a wedding present Carr was named Earl of Somerset.
In 1615, James fell out with Carr. In a letter James complained, among other matters, that Carr had been "creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary" and that he rebuked James "more sharply and bitterly than ever my master Buchanan durst do".[11]
At this point public scandal erupted when the underkeeper of the tower revealed that Carr's new wife had poisoned Sir Thomas Overbury, his best friend who had opposed the marriage. James, angered over Carr's attachment to his wife, exploited the opportunity and forcefully insisted that they face trial.
Carr blackmailed the King, threatening to reveal that they had slept together. At the trial, while testifying before the Lords in Westminster Hall, two men were posted beside him by order of the King, prepared to muffle him with cloaks should he begin to divulge delicate matters.[12] They were not needed, and though he refused to admit any guilt, his wife confessed, and both were sentenced to death. The King commuted the sentence. Nevertheless they were imprisoned in the Tower for seven years, after which they were pardoned and allowed to retire to a country estate.[13]
Continued in next post, as there are not enough characters left in this one
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#36 Feb 20, 2013
_Twisted Wicked_ wrote:
<quoted text>I can post the truth over and over,
But I can`t help you understand it.
actually I have been trying to post a reply with the factual evidence of King James' homosexual relationships, but for some reason the posts aren't showing up. How disappointing. So much research.
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#37 Feb 20, 2013
_Twisted Wicked_ wrote:
<quoted text>THE ORIGINS OF THE ATTACK ON KING JAMES
There is no record of anyone accusing King James of homosexual behavior during his lifetime.
You are mistaken. Allow me to summarize. This may take a couple of posts:
Esmé Stewart, 1st Duke of Lennox- At the age of 13, James made his formal entry into Edinburgh. Upon arriving he met the 37-year-old, married, father of 5 children, Franco-Scottish lord Esmé Stewart, 6th Lord d'Aubigny, whom the Puritan leader Sir James Melville described as "of nature, upright, just, and gentle". The two became extremely close and it was said by an English observer that "from the time he was 14 years old and no more, that is, when the Lord Stuart came into Scotland... even then he began... to clasp some one in the embraces of his great love, above all others" and that James became "in such love with him as in the open sight of the people often he will clasp him about the neck with his arms and kiss him".
The King first made Aubigny a gentleman of the bedchamber. Later, he appointed him to the Privy Council and created him earl and finally duke of Lennox. At the end Lennox chose James and the king taught him the doctrines of Calvinism. The Scottish Kirk remained suspicious of Lennox after his public conversion and took alarm when he had the earl of Morton tried and beheaded on charges of treason. The Scottish ministry was also warned that the duke sought to "draw the King to carnal lust".
Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset- A few years later after the controversy over his relationship with Lennox faded away he began a relationship with Robert Carr, 1st Earl of Somerset.[9] In 1607, at a royal jousting contest, 17-year-old Robert Carr, the son of Sir Thomas Carr or Kerr of Ferniehurst, was knocked from a horse and broke his leg. According to Thomas Howard, 1st Earl of Suffolk, James fell in love with the young man, and as the years progressed showered Carr with gifts.[10] Carr was made a gentleman of the bedchamber and he was noted for his handsome appearance as well as his limited intelligence. His downfall came through Frances Howard, a beautiful young married woman. Upon Carr's request, James stacked a court of bishops that would allow her to divorce her husband in order to marry Carr. As a wedding present Carr was named Earl of Somerset.
In 1615, James fell out with Carr. In a letter James complained, among other matters, that Carr had been "creeping back and withdrawing yourself from lying in my chamber, notwithstanding my many hundred times earnest soliciting you to the contrary" and that he rebuked James "more sharply and bitterly than ever my master Buchanan durst do".[11]
At this point public scandal erupted when the underkeeper of the tower revealed that Carr's new wife had poisoned Sir Thomas Overbury, his best friend who had opposed the marriage. James, angered over Carr's attachment to his wife, exploited the opportunity and forcefully insisted that they face trial.
Carr blackmailed the King, threatening to reveal that they had slept together. At the trial, while testifying before the Lords in Westminster Hall, two men were posted beside him by order of the King, prepared to muffle him with cloaks should he begin to divulge delicate matters.[12] They were not needed, and though he refused to admit any guilt, his wife confessed, and both were sentenced to death. The King commuted the sentence. Nevertheless they were imprisoned in the Tower for seven years, after which they were pardoned and allowed to retire to a country estate.
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#38 Feb 20, 2013
continued from previous post:
George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham- The last of James's three close male friends was George Villiers, 1st Duke of Buckingham, the son of a Leicestershire knight. They had met in 1614, around the same time that the situation with Carr was deteriorating. Buckingham was described as exceptionally handsome, intelligent and honest. In 1615 James knighted him and 8 years later he was the first commoner in more than a century to be elevated to a dukedom. Restoration of Apethorpe Hall, undertaken 2004–2008, revealed a previously unknown passage linking the bedchambers of James and his favourite, George Villiers.[14]
The King was blunt and unashamed in his avowal of love for Buckingham and compared it to Jesus' love of John:
I, James, am neither a god nor an angel, but a man like any other. Therefore I act like a man and confess to loving those dear to me more than other men. You may be sure that I love the Earl of Buckingham more than anyone else, and more than you who are here assembled. I wish to speak in my own behalf and not to have it thought to be a defect, for Jesus Christ did the same, and therefore I cannot be blamed. Christ had John, and I have George.
17th century commentators, such as poet Théophile de Viau wrote plainly about the king's relationship. In his poem, Au marquis du Boukinquan, de Viau writes: "Apollo with his songs / debauched young Hyacinthus,... And it is well known that the king of England / fucks the Duke of Buckingham."[15]
Buckingham became good friends with James’s wife Anne; she addressed him in affectionate letters begging him to be "always true" to her husband. In a letter to James, Buckingham said "sir, all the way hither I entertained myself, your unworthy servant, with this dispute, whether you loved me now... better than at the time which I shall never forget at Farnham, where the bed's head could not be found between the master and his dog". James in some letters addressed him as his spouse saying that "I desire only to live in this world for your sake... I had rather live banished in any part of the Earth with you than live a sorrowful widow's life without you... God bless you, my sweet child and wife, and grant that ye may ever be a comfort to your dear dad and husband".[6] A few years later James died with Buckingham at his side

Now, as you can see many of the historical evidences found in only these relationships (there are more) came not from "modern historians" as you claim, but from actual letters written by his lovers and King James himself during his lifetime. There is more, but is there reason to flood this forum with real facts that haven't been tarnished by the catholic church's attempts to cover their behind yet AGAIN as they are so infamous for doing?
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#39 Feb 20, 2013
Im having problems with my Topix. If there are multiple posts or re-does I apologize. I can only base my replies on what is appearing on my screen, and it looks like posts I made that didn't show up are now appearing after I re-did them. My apologies.

Level 5

Since: Jun 12

Deadwood, SD

#40 Feb 20, 2013
Siren wrote:
<quoted text>
actually I have been trying to post a reply with the factual evidence of King James' homosexual relationships, but for some reason the posts aren't showing up. How disappointing. So much research.
Sir Anthony Welden was an officer in the royal household of King James. He was knighted by King James in 1617. He was eventually dismissed from the royal court by King James. He vowed to get revenge!
He supported the anti-monarchy forces during the English Civil War. Twenty-five years after the death of King James,(one year after the execution of Charles I, King James's son) Welden made the first accusations of homosexuality against King James. His statements were widely rejected at the time because there were still too many living people who had known King James personally and who dismissed the allegations as ridiculous.
Siren

Glasgow, KY

#41 Feb 20, 2013
_Twisted Wicked_ wrote:
<quoted text>Sir Anthony Welden was an officer in the royal household of King James. He was knighted by King James in 1617. He was eventually dismissed from the royal court by King James. He vowed to get revenge!
He supported the anti-monarchy forces during the English Civil War. Twenty-five years after the death of King James,(one year after the execution of Charles I, King James's son) Welden made the first accusations of homosexuality against King James. His statements were widely rejected at the time because there were still too many living people who had known King James personally and who dismissed the allegations as ridiculous.
You mean like King James' wife who frequently complained of his shared bedchambers with other men and his cold distance towards her when he was hot after another man? Also, that does NOT have anything to do with any of the 3 other men I posted about with supporting evidence that came from King James' very own mouth, handwriting, and the letters of men he slept with. Are you suggesting that Anthony Weldon went back in time and convinced the lovers of King James to write letters stating romantic affairs in an attempt of vengeance??... alright wicked lmao... you people kill me. You argue that others wont see it your way because they only see what they want, but in truth its those who are so blindly addicted to their religion that have the problems opening their mind. I'm not an atheist, I just keep an open mind and do the required research when something strikes my fancy. Im not your enemy here, I just happen to specialize in research. Believe what you want, it makes no difference to me. I just like the discussion, I'm fighting for nothing or no one here. Again, I just enjoy good debate :)

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