Drake

United States

#1 Jan 24, 2013
Karl Marx writes in his letter to Abraham Lincoln,

"The workingmen of Europe feel sure that, as the American War of Independence initiated a new era of ascendancy for the middle class, so the American Antislavery War will do for the working classes. They consider it an earnest of the epoch to come that it fell to the lot of Abraham Lincoln, the single-minded son of the working class, to lead his country through the matchless struggle for the rescue of an enchained race and the reconstruction of a social world."

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/iwma/doc...

If you support the Yankee cause in the Civil War you are a Communist. Just man up and accept the truth!
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#2 Jan 24, 2013
Marx liked Lincoln and was on his side, b/c of the slavery issue, and b/c it could be good for the common man... Lincoln also was passing out tracts of 160 acres to whoever signed up for it, so that's a massive govt giveaway.... but Im skeptical. I'm not a Communist, but I am for redistribution of wealth, and for the workers to control the means of production. That isn't what the Civil War was about. If so, then why didn't Marx say, "Hey, great Communist Revolution you got going on here!"?

The US has also been using the Communist threat to suppress dissidents at home, and kill innocent people abroad, for like 50 years now... over an idea!?!

Well anyways... I like Lincoln's 1863 Land Reform, and his Emancipation Proclamation, that he's from Kentucky, but not his hangings of 38 Souix in Minnesota in 1862.

Rand Paul said something about paying the slaves to get out of bondage, which is interesting... but doesn't the saying "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" say that Slavery is Death, so therefore, perhaps Killing for Freedom isn't that crazy of an idea?
John Masters

Lexington, KY

#3 Jan 24, 2013
Maybe we should define Communism...

Merriam Webster says this:

1
a : a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

2
capitalized
a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably
d : communist systems collectively

So w/ these definitions, if a State still exists, then there's not Marxist Communism.

But then the other definition says the "common" own it, so i.e. the Govt, the State, and there's no private property. If 160 acres of land were given out, that's support for Private Property, which is anti-Communist.

“GAME OVER”

Level 1

Since: Jan 13

Shepherdsville, KY

#4 Jan 25, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Marx liked Lincoln and was on his side, b/c of the slavery issue, and b/c it could be good for the common man... Lincoln also was passing out tracts of 160 acres to whoever signed up for it, so that's a massive govt giveaway.... but Im skeptical. I'm not a Communist, but I am for redistribution of wealth, and for the workers to control the means of production. That isn't what the Civil War was about. If so, then why didn't Marx say, "Hey, great Communist Revolution you got going on here!"?
The US has also been using the Communist threat to suppress dissidents at home, and kill innocent people abroad, for like 50 years now... over an idea!?!
Well anyways... I like Lincoln's 1863 Land Reform, and his Emancipation Proclamation, that he's from Kentucky, but not his hangings of 38 Souix in Minnesota in 1862.
Rand Paul said something about paying the slaves to get out of bondage, which is interesting... but doesn't the saying "Give me Liberty, or Give me Death" say that Slavery is Death, so therefore, perhaps Killing for Freedom isn't that crazy of an idea?
you a lie GAME OVER

“GAME OVER”

Level 1

Since: Jan 13

Shepherdsville, KY

#5 Jan 25, 2013
John Masters wrote:
Maybe we should define Communism...
Merriam Webster says this:
1
a : a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2
capitalized
a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably
d : communist systems collectively
So w/ these definitions, if a State still exists, then there's not Marxist Communism.
But then the other definition says the "common" own it, so i.e. the Govt, the State, and there's no private property. If 160 acres of land were given out, that's support for Private Property, which is anti-Communist.
you a lie GAME OVER

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