Kentucky leads nation in rate of chil...

Kentucky leads nation in rate of child abuse and neglect deaths, study finds

There are 76 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Oct 21, 2009, titled Kentucky leads nation in rate of child abuse and neglect deaths, study finds. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

Kentucky leads the nation in its rate of children's deaths involving abuse or neglect, according to a study released this week by Every Child Matters Education Fund, a non-partisan children's advocacy and research group based in Washington.

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Canton, OH

#41 Oct 28, 2009
I would like to see a study done (there probably is one somewhere) to see how many kids were returned to the parents that should not have been. I know one boy in Edmonton that would not have had to go to trial for murder if he had not been sent back to his abuser.

That is #%&*^#ing sad.
current cps worker

Winchester, KY

#42 Oct 28, 2009
What about the children that are successfully reunited with their families or their family remains intact instead of being placed with strangers. Do you know how many foster homes I have investigated for abuse? I worked to change the laws specifically regarding a foster home abuse situation.
I know that there are situations where children were returned too quickly, or not quick enough. Again it goes back to a lack of resources and staff. The law states children are removed if at risk of imminent death or sexual abuse. It can be a fight to have the court system see our concerns if we feel that an imminent situation is there or is there if a child returns. However, the legal system makes the decisions. They determine if children are removed as well as if children are returned home. Your GAL's need to do more to fight for their vulnerable clients, the children. Think about all of these things when you are voting for your judges, representatives and senators. do they support the mission of protecting OUR children? This is where we make our point that children need more....not by cutting the budget in social programs like protection and then blaming the CPS system for failing that child. I know that this is a frustrating situation for everyone, God knows I wish I were out of a job tomorrow. Lets just please quit the blaming and start re-aiming where the funding needs to go. Lets work together not against each other so that changes can be made. I know it works, I was successful at changing the law thanks to Representative Paisley, and Senator Palmer.
Stop bashing CPS

Winchester, KY

#43 Oct 28, 2009
Maybe in Kentucky we actually call child fatalities what they are, rather than covering up or not investigating evidence, which is what happens in many states. So we answer to headlines like this because we don't cover it up, but get no credit for thorough investigations that lead to people being charged in child fatality cases.
If most people could follow a CPS worker for one day, they would realize the difficulty of the job and the risk that workers experience every day.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#44 Oct 29, 2009
current cps worker wrote:
just saying01......i am not a worker in the office you refer to. I will not debate this issue any longer. This is why children are not protected. We do not do enough, or we do too much. Depends on if its you or your family as to which end of the spectrum it might be at any particular time. The problem is that social service programs are the first to be cut and the last to be recognized as important when budgeting services and staff. Spend your energy fighting that, not those of us out there everyday, fighting under those circumstances. Who would want to put up with this constant assasination?????? I will tell you, caring individuals. The majority of us are......
Please know this, in regards to the case you refer to in Winchester......the Cabinet cannot release any information so people make judgements about what they think was done or not done. You have no idea, and I do. NO ONE could have ever predicted that that beautiful child would have been beaten by her parents.
The fact is there is nothing to debate. The girl in Winchester was put back into a home she should not have been in, you said it your self it depends on what side of the spectrum you are on. I disagree, the kids rites should be first. Your statement is why KY is first. The parents should be treated as if they have no rites. They should earn the rite back, all they have to do is play the game and they get there kid back in 6 months or sooner. This is my issue it isnít with you it is with the philosophy DPS and the judges have.

Then after the case is over they go into there parents care and not one checks is done on them. You can dispute this if you like but I know from first hand experiences. I am very aware of the practices DPS has. It is obvious and just a fact that the state has got it wrong in the way they handle these cases.

Just for your knowledge, I now the pain and frustration that you feel. The system is broke and needs to be fixed. If it was working there wouldnít be so many burned out DPS worker.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#45 Oct 29, 2009
current cps worker wrote:
What about the children that are successfully reunited with their families or their family remains intact instead of being placed with strangers. Do you know how many foster homes I have investigated for abuse? I worked to change the laws specifically regarding a foster home abuse situation.
I know that there are situations where children were returned too quickly, or not quick enough. Again it goes back to a lack of resources and staff. The law states children are removed if at risk of imminent death or sexual abuse. It can be a fight to have the court system see our concerns if we feel that an imminent situation is there or is there if a child returns. However, the legal system makes the decisions. They determine if children are removed as well as if children are returned home. Your GAL's need to do more to fight for their vulnerable clients, the children. Think about all of these things when you are voting for your judges, representatives and senators. do they support the mission of protecting OUR children? This is where we make our point that children need more....not by cutting the budget in social programs like protection and then blaming the CPS system for failing that child. I know that this is a frustrating situation for everyone, God knows I wish I were out of a job tomorrow. Lets just please quit the blaming and start re-aiming where the funding needs to go. Lets work together not against each other so that changes can be made. I know it works, I was successful at changing the law thanks to Representative Paisley, and Senator Palmer.
You ask the question do you know how many foster homes you investigate. Well how many have you investigated, and where they guilty of abuse? What did they do spank the child?
I am apart of a group in Central KY of foster parents. They all have the same story. The DPS offices donít return calls they donít do anything about reported abuse they report because it isnít on the docket. The kids Lawyer wonít take calls or hear anything they have to say. It is the foster parentsí job to investigate is thereís.

A foster parent has to go though two back ground check and if they have a record they donít get approved. What is the family members back ground checks you do before you put them in those homes. Are they help to the same standards. NO!

One of the foster parents in our group had a child that was put back in a family members home that had drug convictions and a felony record. They where told it didnít concern them. Is this right? It shouldnít be.

Kids are put back in homes with alcoholicsí drug addicts and dead beats that live on the welfare system. When this happens the cycle isnít broke and they will follow the same rut the family is in. the cycle doesnít break.

This is the fight the group I am in is fighting. Have you hear the foster parents being told it isnt there job to investigate?

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#46 Oct 29, 2009
How many families are kids removed for neglect or abuse and where found guilty, then after they get there kid back and time passes they get there kids taken from them again. How many repeat offenders are there?
Why would DPS ever put kids with family members they obviously are not reporting the abuse. They must have there heads in the sand if donít see what is going on in the home, or they arenít close to the abused. So why put them in the family memberís home? Is it because the state doesnít have to pickup the expense?
You Funny

Louisville, KY

#47 Oct 29, 2009
blueridge wrote:
Increased money for programs is not the answer. How that money is used and accountability is. Money is handed out in the form of welfare and foodstamps. The foodstamps are sold for drug money etc. Example: This past spring I reported a family. Nothing to prevent either parent from working. Both using meth, proof they were selling food stamps for drugs. and children being neglected and left with a convicted child molesteror while they were getting high daily. Long story short-- they got more assistance(money) and the kids stayed in that environment. Instances like this is why we are so #1 on the list.
I know two families that does this, but the only thing I have is name. I have called in on them, but apparently it does not help. They go to churches and get gas, money cards and food. They also receive foodstamps. Her sister gets $800 a month in foodstamps and only has two of her kids. She don't even raise them and the state taking care of them. It makes me sick at my stomach. I am just waiting until I can get a physical address to turn them in again. People think someone is being vindictive when they do this, but hello........CAN SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN. The first couple takes their 4 yr. old out with them while they commit crimes. Go figure.
current cps worker

Winchester, KY

#48 Oct 29, 2009
Are you kidding me? We do not investigate foster parents for spanking, that is a policy violation and handled through a different route. The homes I have investigated have sexually abused children, broken bones, locked in rooms, burned them, etc. The list goes on. I have been involved with 3 recent criminal cases against foster parents. I explained earlier that I have worked for 14 years. I do not say that all foster homes abuse. I am appreciative of the love and care that many provide. I have worked for numerous years with some of the best homes that have adopted many of our children. But what i said was why do we think that foster care is the answer. That system has problems as well. And yes they have been found as substantiated reports in the foster homes. i wouldnt have referred to them otherwise.

For whoever referred to placing with relatives because we do not have to pay the costs is obviously not aware of the funding and resources provided to those relatives through our "kinship program"

Any to say that my comment about the end of the spectrum being why KY is first among abuse related deaths shows your ignorance. That child had never been in that home so obviously did not "return"to it. When i refer to the spectrum, I mean....you are all quick to say get them out of there and dont return until its you or your family and your singing a different tune.

You have no idea about how some of these children long to be with their families, how some of the places they go are worse than what they were removed from......how they age out of the system because rights were terminated and they have no connections and are not adoptable due to many factors.

Also to the guy that said they call in about abuse and told they are not on the docket. Then call in a referral. KY is state wide reporting through centralized systems now so if you have any allegations you should not be calling in abuse neglect related concerns through your local offices.

Lastly, I want to point out that the majority of KY's abuse related deaths are infants within the first year of their life (with the exception of a few). No other children in the home and no other concerns or interventions with DCBS. if they had been brought to the agencys attention it might have been through environmental needs, truancy of another child, etc. The majority of these newborns are violently shaken to death, or thrown or battered because of crying, or whatever the case. Who is to blame for those that make KY the highest. Is it still CPS? Should we be able to see through the crystal ball? I think we start identifying that it is the parents who are responsible. Put efforts out there to educate KY parents on the dangers or reacting out of anger to their children, we try and do this through providing education at hospitals during birth, programs that follow-up and assist first time parents.

You guys have spent so much energy arguing with everything that I have said, even though i have worked in the system and know the issues and you DO NOT. I have tried to offer solutions but you wont respond to those ideas just other case examples of where, again, CPS has failed. no one else to blame just us. So this is why we loose good staff because they are never appreciated and have to go home at night with the weight of the world on their shoulders. I, again, have offered you ways that you could help make a difference. Take it for what is is worth. However, i will not post again because its pointless. you all have all the answers so ask yourself have i helped to make a change to better protect our kids? or just sat on the coutch typing and griping and again expecting others to take care of it....I will close by saying "That is why KY leads in child abuse related deaths"
FYI

Canton, OH

#49 Oct 29, 2009
I asked you on Monday...what can I do to help. So do you have an answer?
current cps worker

Winchester, KY

#52 Oct 29, 2009
FYI wrote:
I asked you on Monday...what can I do to help. So do you have an answer?
My earlier response about electing appropriate officials and fighting when social protections programs are cut, etc...etc....etc...in one of my earlier responses are ways you could help. Its a start, prevention programs to help families never get to the point that our agency is involved. I worked with a community partnership program where we identified our highest rate of referrals by zip codes and brought many helping agencies from that zip code to the table to work on identifying programs, needs, etc for that community...and guess what? they are no longer the highest rate of referrals. it takes a village.
mj rocks

Huntington, IN

#54 Oct 29, 2009
stop the abuse of the kids of ky. we should love our kids not hurt them were is the love go take your kids and the whole family to see the michael jackson movie this is it something good for the whole family to do its all for love!!!
Just Bored

United States

#55 Oct 29, 2009
rockin JC wrote:
We are number 1! GO BIG BLUE! WOOOOOO!!!!!!
I've read alot of your "Stupid Childish" comments over the last several months. And tried My best to keep "My mouth shut"! But when I read the "Comments" you made on this site. About [Child abuse and Neglect deaths]. Just "FLAT PISSES ME OFF". After what Little Wesley Mullins went thru and Michaela Waktins went thru. "And I sorry that I cant remeber what the Little adopted girls name was" went thru! But for you to make a comment like that just shows how sick you are! I pray that You don't go thru just a "sample of how they suffered" But If you don't maybe you deserve it it!
seriously people

Louisville, KY

#56 Oct 29, 2009
the cabinet is the sorriest state agency out there. they could care less about kids. theyignore abuse and neglect and only focus on keeping their case loads low. I have worked for the justice cabinet for 13 years.

PATHETIC! The Cabinet needs to be investigated. The workers need to be retrained or fired. Get off your rears and go do your job!!!
rockin JC

Louisville, KY

#57 Oct 29, 2009
Dear Just Bored,

I hope this reply finds you well. Lets address some of your issues!
Just Bored wrote:
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I've read alot of your "Stupid Childish" comments over the last several months.


Great! I hope they keep you entertained, but maybe you should try to find a new hobby...
Just Bored wrote:
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And tried My best to keep "My mouth shut"!


Well good job! But I do need to point out, that first, you are typing! So go ahead and leave that mouth open! Go ahead, it is loads of fun.

Second, why on earth do you have "My mouth shut" in quotation marks? Hmmmmmmm?
Just Bored wrote:
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But when I read the "Comments" you made on this site. About Child abuse and Neglect deaths. Just "FLAT PISSES ME OFF".


Wow. You are really angry with your capital letters and Quotation Marks! Maybe you should expend some of that anger into something constructive in helping out the community. Or maybe you could just go back to school and learn how to properly form a sentence and use punctuation!
Just Bored wrote:
<quoted text>
After what Little Wesley Mullins went thru and Michaela Waktins went thru. "And I sorry that I cant remeber what the Little adopted girls name was" went thru!
Horrible events I agree. Unfortunately, these things are still going even as I type out my troll-driven response to your error laden, piss poor excuse of a post. We are number one, and if you cannot understand my sarcasm and general disdain in my rhetoric on this forum, well, lets just say you may be totally appalled by Swift's "Modest Proposal".
Just Bored wrote:
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But for you to make a comment like that just shows how sick you are!
Swine flu is going around. As for my comments, see above.
Just Bored wrote:
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I pray that You don't go thru just a "sample of how they suffered" But If you don't maybe you deserve it it!
Wow. That is pretty harsh. You really think someone "deserve it it"? Unfortunately, with child abuse being the norm in Big Blue, the odds are most have experienced it in some form or another.

In summary:

I think it is great that all of you are discussing the recently published information in regards to abuse in Kentucky. I however think that if all of you wastoids are really passionate about it as you claim, why don't you get out and do something about it? Put down your pills and beer, stop gossiping, and change this community.

rockin,

JC

P.S. All of your mom's are wh*res.

P.S. your mother is a wh*r
current cps worker

Winchester, KY

#58 Oct 29, 2009
LOL, sorry but i had to laugh at "seriously people" comment. If you work for DJJ then quit overlooking kids charged with vicious crimes and sending them to CPS to do something with. You guys have better resources to deal with those children, we have resources for victims of abuse and neglect, but are constantly getting serious offenders to be placed in homes and facilities with vulnerable victims. You guys cant even follow a simple MOU (memo of understanding) between the cabinets, you just like to blindside. Yes we would love to have manageable case loads but we DO NOT. Dont you even dare say that we dont accept investigations or work a case because our caseloads are too high. We do not have that luxury. I know some workers at DJJ who have left the cabinet and have told me how much easier that job is. Maybe I should start a post about your job......lay off
plz

United States

#59 Oct 29, 2009
Feed the kids
Paladin

United States

#61 Oct 29, 2009
Most of the time it is poverty that contributes to child abuse.
You have bought the foreign made goods until you canít get a manufacturing job in this country that will pay well enough to raise a family.
We now have a president that intends to shut down coal fired power plant and kill the mining industry
When you get in your Kia to drive to the welfare office don't wonder how you got there, you did it yourself.

Congratulations.
rockin JC

Waterloo, Canada

#62 Oct 29, 2009
Paladin wrote:
Most of the time it is poverty that contributes to child abuse.
You have bought the foreign made goods until you canít get a manufacturing job in this country that will pay well enough to raise a family.
We now have a president that intends to shut down coal fired power plant and kill the mining industry
When you get in your Kia to drive to the welfare office don't wonder how you got there, you did it yourself.
Congratulations.
Agreed.
seriously people

Louisville, KY

#63 Oct 29, 2009
current cps worker wrote:
LOL, sorry but i had to laugh at "seriously people" comment. If you work for DJJ then quit overlooking kids charged with vicious crimes and sending them to CPS to do something with. You guys have better resources to deal with those children, we have resources for victims of abuse and neglect, but are constantly getting serious offenders to be placed in homes and facilities with vulnerable victims. You guys cant even follow a simple MOU (memo of understanding) between the cabinets, you just like to blindside. Yes we would love to have manageable case loads but we DO NOT. Dont you even dare say that we dont accept investigations or work a case because our caseloads are too high. We do not have that luxury. I know some workers at DJJ who have left the cabinet and have told me how much easier that job is. Maybe I should start a post about your job......lay off
yea well the article wasn't about how DJJ fails youth.

So... when i get a 13 year old girl charged with shoplifting gum and I do a home visit and see that she is neglected severly either due to no to little food, mom never ever home and/or abusive family situation.. DJJ should send her off? that's what i get stuck with... I have had 12 and 13 year olds in placement for years on misdemeanors because their parents are so awful and the cabinet won't even step in and help find a placement. I have had kids stay in placement for years because their no good parents are no where to be found. The cabinet tells me it's not their problem. So I don't know of any other place that will sentence a child or adult to serve 4 years for shoplifting or disorderly conduct. I have COUNTLESS cases like that. It's wrong on so many levels.

Oh and my fav.. i have a 15 year old girl who was has been in placement with DJJ for 2 years.. she ran off for two days and got pregnant by an adult male.. she had the baby in placement.. GMA and Great GMA are in prison. Cabinet said.... "not our problem" WOW is all I got to say

DJJ's caseloads are alot more manageble yes but I don't have the luxary of making excuses if my job isn't done.

So... I won't lay off. I have seen children ignored by your agency for 13 years. It should be a crime.

I have never neglect to appropriatly manage a child adjudicated of a vicious crime.
current cps worker

Winchester, KY

#64 Oct 29, 2009
yeah they didnt write an article about the child in DJJ facility that killed himself.....and others....how fortunate for you. You are so great, I bow to you.
We CPS workers suck, got your point. Thanks partner in this vicious circle:) Glad you join the others in pointing the blame and not helping us......Gonna post about you....we will see what is said about how you protect the community from vic1051ious crminals since you dont. How many sexual offenders did we take from you. dont get it twisted

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