“I Protest the Roman Papacy”

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Since: Jan 13

Louisville, Ky

#1 Jun 9, 2013
Recently, Vice President Biden has stated that “any votes for expanded background checks must wait at least through the summer while the Senate debates immigration reform. Biden offered the White House timeline to a group of about 20 representatives from faith-based organizations”.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...on-163...

One of these individuals was Barrett Duke, Vice President for Public Policy and Research of The Southern Baptist Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission.

First, I would like to say that the Biblical view of defensive arms condemns rising in arms over private injuries, i.e. David’s conflict with Saul (1 Sam. 24:10, 12, 13; 1 Sam. 26:9-10). What needs to be proved to defend the 2nd Amendment is that the Bible not only warrants the use of defensive violence but particularly, it warrants the use of defensive violence against an unlawful government. I will get straight to the task at hand.

1. Abraham violently resisted the King of Sodom; and may I remind the reader that this was before the Jewish Commonwealth. Gen. 14: 12-15

2. God warranted the violent resisting of a King who was brought as judgment upon Israel. Therefore, the people of God may resist God’s judgments. Judges 3:10-21

Samson terrorized the Philistines, an occupying government, even though his own countrymen had sold out to the rule of the Philistines. Thus, the will of God over-rules the will of the people. Judges 15:4-18

3.God blessed a rebellion that had no noble or government leadership. Judges 12:1-4

4.The people of God resisted their King Saul’s tyrannical legislation because he had no authority to oblige an oath on his people. 1 Sam. 14:24-45

5. David took Goliath’s sword to defend himself against Saul. 1 Sam. 21:9 See also 1 Chron. 12:23-40.

6.The prophet Elisha commanded violent resistance to the messenger of a King come to oppress the people of God.2 Kings 6:32-33

7.Failing to violently rebel against government tyranny is cursed in Judges 15:16-23.

8.The blessing of God is given in overthrowing wicked tyrant rulers in Isa. 14:4-6.

9.God warranted defensive violence against a group that was violently hostile toward his people. Num. 25:16-18

10. God commanded his people to deliver themselves from tyranny. Zech. 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. This runs contradictory to those who say that we must wait for God to deliver us supernaturally.

11. Christ commanded his disciples to provide themselves with a sword for defense. Luke 22:35-36

Notice how the context includes literal, physical objects needed for everyday life. This is no spiritual metaphor. Is the bag and the money belt a metaphor as well?

Objections:

1. Didn't Jesus command us not to return violence with violence in Luke 6:29?

Ans. When Jesus said,“Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also” he did not advocate subjecting ourselves to fatal violence. A smack on the face is not a lethal blow but an insult. Therefore, we are to overlook insults but defend ourselves from life-threatening attacks.

2. A tyrannical government is a judgment for sin. We must bear long under it.

Ans. Amos 4:7-8 teaches that famine is a judgment for sin. Does this mean we cannot look for food and find refuge for ourselves and our family at such an occasion?

3. The apostle Paul commands us to submit to government in Romans 13.

Ans. Romans 13 teaches the general divine authority of the institution of government not every particular government. This is emphasized in verse 3 which says,“For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil.” Yet history is full of particular rulers who are “a cause of fear for good behavior”.
Politically incorrect

Marcus Hook, PA

#2 Jun 9, 2013
You sir are correct . I stand with you.
bob

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Jun 10, 2013
I suppose words can be stretched and twisted to say whatever you want them to. Some can even be ignored, outright (well regulated militia, anyone)?

That's quite a leap, though, and all the "tyrannical gov't" rhetoric smacks of batshit paranoia. I'm glad I don't live my life in constant fear. It must really suck.
Politically incorrect

United States

#6 Jun 10, 2013
No what sucks is cowards like you too afraid of their own shadow don't wanna believe anything is wrong because your scared to death you may haft to die for freedom one day, so you bury your heads in the televising and think just because wheel of fortune is on we are doing great! Rot in hell you compliant, brain dead, drone of a piggy
bob

Brooklyn, NY

#8 Jun 10, 2013
You're deranged. I'm not the one terrified, so how do you figure I'm a coward when you're the one hiding behind a gun? You're a little special, huh?

And "haft," really? What is it with you illiterate morons, anyway? "Have" isn't exactly a big word.

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