Is Christopher Dorner, a Hero ?

[Phoenix97]

Hmmmmm.....

[Forscythe]

Well Sandy, I don't agree that he was fired for lying. I know the way that organizations like the LAPD work. They fall in to ranks and protect their own. At the same time he had a history of violence, even assaulting another officer for using a racial slur. They probably just used the opportunity to eliminate a troublemaker.

[Sandy06]

Forscythe wrote:

Well Sandy, I don't agree that he was fired for lying. I know the way that organizations like the LAPD work. They fall in to ranks and protect their own. At the same time he had a history of violence, even assaulting another officer for using a racial slur. They probably just used the opportunity to eliminate a troublemaker.

It has said on several news networks,that he put in a report something that wasn't done by another officer ie: assault that never happened. Thank god most people who are let go don't do this,as four people have died because of him.

[John Masters]

Forscythe wrote:

The authority of police is based on three tenants.
The first is the law. By becoming a police officer they are tied to the government and the social contract. Ostensibly, they are held to a higher code of conduct in return for this authority.
The second is the community. Community is the basis for law after all. Of course the question is what defines a community.
And finally the third is the gun. Might makes right after all.
So John Masters, you say that violence of the oppressed is always justified. Does that mean that oppressed groups are allowed to commit rape? What about murder of children? Pederasty?
What about violence of one oppressed group against another? Are black men not allowed to hurt white women? Should we create a system for determining how oppressed a group is, and then determine whom they can attack?

Ur blow'n my mind again...

Law, Community, and The Gun... the Law is be'n broken, the community is be'n shot at, and all that's left, is the Gun. Just hav'n a gun doesn't give u the right to be the boss... might is right... but it shouldn't be. Not in a civilized society. Civilized society says that the Rule of Law means all must be answerable to Law... if Might IS Right, then those 4 folks got what was com'n to 'em? No... that's not true. Dorner used to wear the Badge... so does his behavior undo all of his work previously? I dont think so. I think he snapped. I think he was a good guy, and just didn't see any other way to "reclaim his name". So just hav'n a gun doesn't give u the right to use it. It must be based on common community standards... makes me wish we actually lived in a democracy...

It's hard to justify murder of children... though if they murder another child, say... Adam Lanza... should he be put to death. Perhaps. Is the oppressed always justified w/ their violence? Perhaps... I'm not say'n groups can attack other groups... I'm say/n the slave, can overthrow their Master. The slave whose be'n whipped, is right, in whipp'n the Master. The slave is right in runn'n away. The slave, Django, is right in shoot'n DiCaprio's character. There's also something very just about a rapist, or a pedophile, gett'n rape'd in prison... though that's a mixture of institutional and street justice... all violence by the oppressed isn't justified... the shoot'n of innocents is not justified... but Revolution is justified in warfare... of course attack'n civilians is wrong. Of course that's clear. It almost seems like his mistake was in the Asian woman and her fiance... w/ his war... though he did say... "unconventional and asymmetrical warfare"... even though the US isn't successful w/ many of their military campaigns, they do try to "look" like the good guys... and only target military targets... and that seems more just... not tortur'n folks... not be/ like Nazi dogs... not mutilat'n bodies... or hurt'n civilians...

Hasn't there been like hundreds of Pakistanis, innocent, slain, by Predator Drones? How's that sit well w/ your conscience, America? Those deaths... those murders... were done in your NAME. U support that slaughter of the innocents?

If the US media covered War and Poverty like they do School Shoot'ns and Lone Wolf gunman snappn', we'd already have all our troops home, all 130 military bases would be lifted, and we'd stop be'n an Empire, since it's not sustainable, nor helps the working class. We'd stop spend'n so much gold and silver on bombs and weapons of bloodshed and murder... Dorner was pro-gun control... I wonder if this works in his favor...

[Forscythe]

Forgive me Sandy, I don't want to be confrontational, but I know it was reported that he was fired for filing a false report. Whether you believe he did or not depends on whether you trust the LAPD. Though I will say that it is unusual that someone be fired for that. I know the police and usually that is cause for a reprimand not a firing.

I'm not going to get in to it more than say again that you can't necessarily trust everything the LAPD or press puts out. I try to look for the truth that exists between the lines. Thank you for your tim

[Reality]

No matter what the reason, this man was fired from his job. He has the same opportunity like others who are fired from their jobs, go and get another one and be an adult.

People of all races are fired everyday, why is this any difference?

This man made himself judge, jury and executioner of people that were innocent.

Why is this so hard to decipher?

Its okay to kill people but not okay to fire someone.

[Sandy06]

Reality wrote:

No matter what the reason, this man was fired from his job. He has the same opportunity like others who are fired from their jobs, go and get another one and be an adult.
People of all races are fired everyday, why is this any difference?
This man made himself judge, jury and executioner of people that were innocent.
Why is this so hard to decipher?
Its okay to kill people but not okay to fire someone.

Good post. Families are grieving because of him, and another one passed away today.

[John Masters]

It's about Justice... those who Dorner wrong'd, will get justice tonite... those who wrong'd Dorner, will never be held to account. That's the point. The LAPD will run an internal investigation, say they did nothing wrong, just as did they did when they fired him, just as they did w/ Rodney King.

Dorner observed police brutality, from the small snippets I've read, against a handicapped man! I believe it... brutality goes on... it's commonplace, and it's not right, and it needs to stop.

[RememberChrisDor ner]

To hurt the person the most is not to physically harm him but harm his love ones that's the greatest pain . Its justice served well cold and Chris Dorner is forevere remembered as a martyr for standing up to oppression . Bully the wrong person and this is the law of the land .

[Forscythe]

John, I agree that Jamie Foxx would have been justified in shooting Leo Dicaprio in Django. But he didn't. Jamie Foxx shot Leo Dicaprio's unarmed sister. A woman who had little choice herself in the situation she was in.

And while it would be nice to live in a world that didn't require force as a basis for authority, we do. A government that cannot protect its people cannot be a government. To protect, a government must be capable of force.

You keep bringing up other institutions violence in the discussion of Dorner's. Again, does the injustice in the Irag war free Dorner from blame in his murders? As you said we do not live in a true democracy, so how can you blame America for the evils a few? And how equivocate the crimes of the LAPD with the people that Dorner killed?

After all Dorner isn't a democracy, he and he alone decided to kill and instead of a messy attack, he went for a precise attack on blameless people, and continues to do so.

[Forscythe]

I recommend reading:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psycholog...

But RememberChrisDor ner, what if people were to kill your family for your crimes? Are they justified? Would you enjoy being a martyr?

You see yourself as a hero, but you are not.

You are a monster, like all of us.

This is hell we are all devils.

[Sandy06]

RememberChrisDorner wrote:

To hurt the person the most is not to physically harm him but harm his love ones that's the greatest pain . Its justice served well cold and Chris Dorner is forevere remembered as a martyr for standing up to oppression . Bully the wrong person and this is the law of the land .

He is a murderer plain and simple. People get fired everyday,they don't go out and kill innocent people years later. He got fired...plain and simple. If he is caught alive,he will hopefully get the death penalty for murdering 4 people.

[Jerod]

RememberChrisDorner wrote:

To hurt the person the most is not to physically harm him but harm his love ones that's the greatest pain . Its justice served well cold and Chris Dorner is forevere remembered as a martyr for standing up to oppression . Bully the wrong person and this is the law of the land .

To most, he will be remembered as a piece of shit, end of story.

[Sandy06]

That murdering monster is dead. The 4 families got justice and god bless them.

[Reality]

sandy63 wrote:

<quoted text>Good post. Families are grieving because of him, and another one passed away today.

Another person died from this man's shooting spree.

Oh no, who was it?

[Sandy06]

Reality wrote:

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Another person died from this man's shooting spree.
Oh no, who was it?

He shot 2 officers earlier today. One is in the hospital,and another passed away from his wounds. Its literally sickened me how people were supporting this nut online,and some were glad he killed those people. We live in a sick society when people praise killers Reality.

[STILL-ALIVE-Chri sDorner]

Hopefully he escaped .

[Sandy06]

STILL-ALIVE-ChrisDorner wrote:

Hopefully he escaped .

He didnt.Hes dead,and burning in he_ll where he cant kill anyone else.Isnt 4 families grieving enough for you?

[STILL-ALIVE-Chri sDorner]

I can't even count how many innocent families the LAPD destroyed and no its not enough for what they've done for years and how many innocent people they sent to prison .

[John Masters]

But he sure had 'em all on the run, eh!?! He even scar'n wyte women all the way over here in Kentucky!