Winchester nursing home sued in man's...

Winchester nursing home sued in man's death

There are 135 comments on the Lexington Herald-Leader story from Mar 4, 2009, titled Winchester nursing home sued in man's death. In it, Lexington Herald-Leader reports that:

A troubled Winchester nursing home's failure to assess the respiratory condition of a 54-year-old man led to his death after a six-day stay, according to an attorney representing his family in a lawsuit.

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Ranger

Winchester, KY

#1 Mar 5, 2009
The place should be forced to close its' doors because of all the problems it has had in the past ten years.
Sandy

Winchester, KY

#2 Mar 5, 2009
Amen to that Ranger! If people only knew what a hell hole the place is, it would of been shut years ago.
Nana

Littleton, CO

#3 Mar 5, 2009
thats for sure. I wouldn't send my Dog to that place.
joes woman

Cincinnati, OH

#4 Mar 5, 2009
Yeah but the problem is there isn't anywhere else for those poor people to live? It's too many people to move all at once. Other places already have waiting lists for residents. Plus a lot of good people would be out of jobs because of a few bad ones.
Sandy

Winchester, KY

#5 Mar 5, 2009
Good point. The State should check into facilities like these more often, but I know that is not going to happen.
Ranger

Winchester, KY

#6 Mar 5, 2009
They have checked and sited them several times. The public needs to take a stand on it, because they will put on a show when inspection is done and then when they leave it's back to the norm.
yea so sad

Winchester, KY

#7 Mar 5, 2009
yup u r right .
babygirlsmomma

Littleton, CO

#8 Mar 5, 2009
They do check in but most of the time they know when state is coming so they make sure that everything is the way it should be and just as soon as they leave it goes right back to the way it was. I have seen it for myself. They only get caught if they just happen to show up without going to a facility that is going to contact this one and let them know they are coming. If the workers that aren't doing their jobs doesn't like working with elderly peopl find yourself another job.Don't make it hard on the ones that actually like helping these people. These people don't asked to be mistreated they are there to be took care not ABUSED OR NEGLECTED.As for moving them to another facility that wont help I have worked at this one and a couple in Lexington they are about the same when it comes to patient care.
when will it stop

Richmond, KY

#9 Mar 6, 2009
yesterday i heard a nurse slapped a resident in the face i heard the nurse was fired, i hope so also the facility is suppose to call state and report it i know the family is trying to move the resident to another facility i know the family will not let this go with out something being done about this people dont have any ideal the hell our elders have to endure the public needs to get involed and get this hell hole closed down
Ranger

Winchester, KY

#10 Mar 6, 2009
when will it stop wrote:
yesterday i heard a nurse slapped a resident in the face i heard the nurse was fired, i hope so also the facility is suppose to call state and report it i know the family is trying to move the resident to another facility i know the family will not let this go with out something being done about this people dont have any ideal the hell our elders have to endure the public needs to get involed and get this hell hole closed down
I agree totally. It will remain until the punlic gets involved in it. They put on shows when they expect state to be there, but when they show unexpected they get caught with there pants down.

There is only a handful, and I mean a handful of nursing staff that are worth anything there.
ugh

Paintsville, KY

#11 Mar 6, 2009
WOW! I read the article... someone lost 87 pounds in 19 days?! How could they NOT notice that?

..And people wonder why we are losing faith in humanity...
TO YOU

Winchester, KY

#12 Mar 9, 2009
UNTILL YOU HAVE BEEN THERE MET THE MAJORITY OF THE CNA'S WHO DO WORK THERE HOW CAN YOU JUDGE THEM. NOT ALL CNA'S ABUSE RESIDENTS! ALSO, UNTILL YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE ELDERLY AND EXPERIENCED HOW CONFUSED THEY ARE MENTALLY DUE TO DEMENTIA ECT... YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE PEOPLE UNTILL YOU HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES!!!
please stop this stupidness
RNz

Winchester, KY

#13 Mar 10, 2009
TO YOU wrote:
UNTILL YOU HAVE BEEN THERE MET THE MAJORITY OF THE CNA'S WHO DO WORK THERE HOW CAN YOU JUDGE THEM. NOT ALL CNA'S ABUSE RESIDENTS! ALSO, UNTILL YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE ELDERLY AND EXPERIENCED HOW CONFUSED THEY ARE MENTALLY DUE TO DEMENTIA ECT... YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE PEOPLE UNTILL YOU HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES!!!
please stop this stupidness
IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THAT THINK YOU KNOW EVERY THING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT PISSES ME OFF.

OK< GUESS WHAT!!!! I have worked there, and I quit do to all the BS, STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, and RETARDS that work there.

You want points as to why it should be shut down here you go. This is not all of staff, but I would say up to half in some areas, and over half in other areas.

* Unit Managers not doing their F*&$%#* job

>>>Proof<< <<
Where was the unit manager when the heart medication was given to the resident that was not a heart patient? Not doing their job!
Where was the unit manager when the wrong dosage of a seizure medication was give to a patient that caused a seizure. Not doing their job!

* Nurses (RN's & LPN's ) that don't have a clue of what is going on with their residents, because they rely on the SRNA's & KMA's to do everything, instead of taking a hands on approach. Which taking a hands on was what I was taught at the beginning.

>>>Proof<<<
Where was the nurse who is supposed to check the charting when the medications were given incorrectl? Not doing their job!
Where was the nurse when a resident developed a skin tear, that wasn't noticed till almost a week later! Not doing their job!
Where was the nurse when a resident developed a bedsore, that was at least a month old, before it was detected? Not doing their job!
RNz

Winchester, KY

#14 Mar 10, 2009
TO YOU wrote:
UNTILL YOU HAVE BEEN THERE MET THE MAJORITY OF THE CNA'S WHO DO WORK THERE HOW CAN YOU JUDGE THEM. NOT ALL CNA'S ABUSE RESIDENTS! ALSO, UNTILL YOU HAVE WORKED WITH THE ELDERLY AND EXPERIENCED HOW CONFUSED THEY ARE MENTALLY DUE TO DEMENTIA ECT... YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE PEOPLE UNTILL YOU HAVE WALKED IN THEIR SHOES!!!
please stop this stupidness
* SRNA's & KMA's not all but a majority of them could care less. Pay and work enviorment is a big factor here. So if you don't like the bad pay and a horrible work enviroment leave, instead of giving the residents anything less than excellent care.

>>>Proof<<<
* Not 1, Not 2, and Not even 3, but 5 SRNA's have been terminated in the last 2 years because they were caught sleeping on the job! That is why a numer of resident lay in their own body waste and develope bedsores, and infections! Come on folks! To think they want to be nurses.
* 3 were terminated because they can't keep the dang smoke out of their hands long enough to take care of the residents. Grandma/Grandpa or Mom/Dad isn't in the dinning room yet, why cause their SRNA had to take a quick puff before going in there to feed them, or take them to the dinning room. I often heard this, "I'm gonna take a quick puff first" COME ON! You are here for them not you. Get the butt outta your hand long enough to do your job!
* 2 were terminated because they were screwing in a residents rooms. MY GOD, I'm glad I don't have anyone out there. The male SRNA bragged about this one at a local bar. COME THE F&*$ on.
* Call lights tell you a resident needs you for something, not something for you to say and I heard this too, "Dam what do they want" or just walk in turn it off and walk back out, saw this happen to. Also caught a few call buzzers that had been unplugged from the wall, or out of the reach of a resident, hmmmm wonder how they got like that.
* SRNA's & KMA's are just now required by the facility to have updated training. Sheesh, you would have thought that state regulations we be enough, but I guess if the facility don't require it, then it's ok, WHAT A CROCK! Know this for a fact to. Read your friggin reports after your inspections, it's all in black & white.

SDC, the who, yeah the Staffing Developement Coordinator. This is the person responsible for making sure nursing staff is trained and know what they are supposed to do. Do you know who it is, I don't have a clue, and why you ask. They have been through 6 SDC's in the last year and a half. Why? Either the SDC doesn't know what he/she is doing, or they wise up and see the place for what it is and leave and I know for a fact the last 2 left because of that reason. When the SDC has to call the hospital and get advice on how to treat an injury then you have a real problem. This person is supposed to be the one who is making sure people are trained, and training is an ongoing thing. I have an idea let's make sure we have a traind SDC, think that might help.
RNz

Winchester, KY

#15 Mar 10, 2009
IT'S PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THAT THINK YOU KNOW EVERY THING ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT PISSES ME OFF.

OK< GUESS WHAT!!!! I have worked there, and I quit do to all the BS, STUPIDITY, IGNORANCE, and RETARDS that work there.

You want points as to why it should be shut down here you go. This is not all of staff, but I would say up to half in some areas, and over half in other areas.

* Unit Managers not doing their F*&$%#* job

>>>Proof<< <<
Where was the unit manager when the heart medication was given to the resident that was not a heart patient? Not doing their job!
Where was the unit manager when the wrong dosage of a seizure medication was give to a patient that caused a seizure. Not doing their job!

* Nurses (RN's & LPN's ) that don't have a clue of what is going on with their residents, because they rely on the SRNA's & KMA's to do everything, instead of taking a hands on approach. Which taking a hands on was what I was taught at the beginning.

>>>Proof<<<
Where was the nurse who is supposed to check the charting when the medications were given incorrectl? Not doing their job!
Where was the nurse when a resident developed a skin tear, that wasn't noticed till almost a week later! Not doing their job!
Where was the nurse when a resident developed a bedsore, that was at least a month old, before it was detected? Not doing their job!
RNz

Winchester, KY

#16 Mar 10, 2009
When the Executive Director "Dennis McNatt" says, and I loved this. "We have plans and people in place to prevent this from happening again." WHAT A CROCK! He should have said, We are covering our ASSES until next time. I always heard crap flows down hill, well trace it back up hill to find the problems. Fire everyone that is not up to par as you follow the brown streak to the hole. Was that done, NO NO NO. Only a few were let go, "We have corrected the issues" another McNatt statement. Meaning we have cleaned up a splatter and the streak so you can't find the hole.

You have corrected them, huh? Then why are the Unit Managers still in place that were over the units when the problems happend. Hmmm.

Expect nursing staff to run short 95% of the time and do the job they are supposed to. Case in point, A Wing (rehab & skilled) unit. Was ran with one nurse and one aid, for 2 shifts in a row that I know of for a fact. Do you think the residents got the quality care they deserve, I don't think so.

Communication almost never happens between departments either, which also causes problems for the residents and causes friction between staff members.
>>>Proof<<< What tells you what a resident is able to eat? If you didn't say Diet Order, then you are wrong. Then why would you approach a dietary staff member and say Ms/Mr G would like a bologna sandwich. I doubt they know Ms?Mr G that well, and even if they did, it is against policy for them to hand it out without seeing the Diet Order to make sure. Something that should be taught to SRNA's, LPN's and RN's while in trainging with the SDC
>>>Proof<<< Where's Ms/Mr G's tray. The hunt begins, and where does it begin. SRNA's & RN's and LPN's go to the dietary staff, Ms/Mr G didn't get a tray we need it NOW! OMG, have a little respect for your fellow departments. I saw this during my last week. SRNA searched for a tray for 10 minutes, I was busy because the DON wouldn't let me do my job. Frustrated the SRNA came to me and said "Ms/Mr G doesn't have a tray and "they" won't give me one. I thought, who is "they" the aliens or monsters. I asked a simple question, did you look for the tray. She said, "well duh." Hmmm, I thought, so I went to the food cart opened up the door look through the trays, and guess what. About 7 trays down was Ms/Mr G's tray, card ripped in half as if they had refused. I gave her the try and reported it to the unit manager, and was told "These things happen" Come on folks, do your jobs!
RNz

Winchester, KY

#17 Mar 10, 2009
Office/facility staff - All the people who are not active RN's, LPN's, SRNA's, or KMA's. Ah, these would be the peopl who use to be RN's and LPN's who have been glorified to an office position, but who think they are still in the nursing field and put their 2cents in as a professional opinions. Sorry to say babe/dude your not in the field anymore. The way I see it if your a pencil pusher, then go sharpen your pencil and doodle or something, and quit telling me how to do something you gave up on. I know this is a fact and can name out names if needed.

If you don't think these problems should close it down, then you don't need to be in the field you are in, if your even in the field to start. RESIDENT CARE IS OR SHOULD BE #1 PRIORITY!!!!!!!!!! NO IF'S AND OR BUTS ABOUT IT.

You can not have excellent care with what I have just told you. If you were to correct the problem say tomorrow. Terminate all the ones that are causing the problems from all shifts. Do you think you would have enough staff to give quality care to the residents? No you would not.

You would only have a handful of total nursing staff to do the job.

This facility has seen brighter days, but that was back when the Administrator was Ms.Castle and the Asst. Administrator was Donna Goodman. If people see the light they will get their loved ones to a facility that can provide excellent care for them, and not just excellent when suzie q or jon doe work.

I can say these things cause I have worked there and know the facts. I have and am in the nursing field with almost 18 years experience as an RN.
know it true

United States

#18 Mar 10, 2009
You tell them girl!!!! I know your telling the truth. My sister worked the for two day and saw more than she wanted to see and quit. Based on what she seen and found out in two days i feel for anyone that puts a loved one in there. The steps taken so far is not enough. Also know the home health people have several there that needs to be cleaned out to. Acouple i have dealt with are very good, but the other 3 have no clue and need to be retrained or fired!!

Since: Feb 09

Dayton, OH

#19 Mar 10, 2009
I have worked in nursing homes I know what can happen. it takes the right people to do the job correct. I know people who abused the residents
we made sure they lost there jobs.
and it does not help if your management don't care what happens.
I have another saying those people who hurt the residents. one day they will be old to and might
end up in a home. what goes around comes around.
pat

Ft Mitchell, KY

#20 Mar 10, 2009
To R N z
Thank you!If every one would stand up and speak out the way you have it would help alot of this stuff stop.I have worked in a nursing home and have seen things happen that should never happen,however,when it was reported the CNA doing the reporting had there job threatned for telling.
The sad part is it came from a unit RN supervisor making the threats.
They also allow a CNA to make nasty sexual remarks to other employees while the nurses who think they are so cute sit and laugh about it,but you will be fired when you tell it.
One nurse talks about being drunk and who she is in bed with when not working and has been in jail for drunk driving.What happened to having to report all this?
Most of the people running these homes are there for the money,they dont care what happens to any one as long as they dont get caught in something underhanded.
I know there are a few good nurses and a few good CNAs but over all it is a group of people who have control over old people who cant help what happens to them.Standards should be raised,pay should be raised and a better quality of people working in these homes.After all this is people they are working with.

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