Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Feb 13, 2013 Full story: Q-Notes 1,638

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry

Rainsville, AL

#122 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It is a given that Graham is a liar.
That is automatic, as he is a Genuine Christian™, and they must, by definition, lie.
(they operate based on faith, and faith--by definition--is lying)
So of COURSE the document is fraud.
the irs does not work by faith and they have had no problems with the document inspite of audits.
so until you can show where he lied in the document you might as well shut up.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#123 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Your Jewsus was allegedly born on or around 3BCE. And died approximately 33 years later, at around 30CE.
NOTHING is written about him during that time--NOTHING.
None of your gospels (including those not "official").
None of your allegedly "secular" sources (Joseph, et-al)
Nothing written by the Romans-- even though we have 1000's of Roman records from that time-frame-- but NOTHING about your Jewsus.
Nothing was written DURING the period 3BCE to 60CE about your Jewsus-person.
Nothing.
The OLDEST writing dates to approximately 60CE.
Some date from 100CE and on.
Most date even later than that.
Do try to keep up.
apparently you can't even keep up with yourself. you claimed that nothing was written until 60 years after Christ and that some were written 100yrs after Christ.

well if the oldest was written in year 60 and Christ died around year 30 that would only be 30 years and your year 100 [the book of revelation or the books of John which btw are not a gospel] would only be 70 years. all written by people who claimed to be eyewitnesses of the life of Christ.

so your original claim;
"Not one. All--without exception-- were written 60, 90, 100's of years AFTER."[the life of Christ]

is false. perhaps a lie. certainly a distortion of the truth clouded by your hatred for the topic at hand.

and btw this statement is also false;
Some date from 100CE and on.
Most date even later than that.
the apostle John was the last writer of the canon of the Bible and his last books are commonly accepted as being written just before the year 100. so if there is a book that was actually writen latter there would only be one not "most".

facts seem to be a problem with you.
so if there is a book

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#124 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>the irs does not work by faith and they have had no problems with the document inspite of audits.
so until you can show where he lied in the document you might as well shut up.
"in spite of audits"? LMAO!

The Graham program of lies, is one of the BIGGEST POLITICAL CONTRIBUTORS, doofus!

They paid for political protection from the IRS-- and I'm sure they got what they paid for, too.

LOL!

Are you seriously this naive, or did you take special classes?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#125 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So glad you phrased it EXACTLY that way.
For that is EXACTLY how they wrote about your fictional Jewsus!
They were REPEATING what others' said-- gossip in other words.
Good!
i see you didn't post the quotes and are only speculating.

"63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ.(64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day."
doesn't sound to me as though he is quoting someone's opinion.
this quote comes in context of the historical assassination by pilot of the jews rebelling over a water system.

so where is your josephus quote about hercules? wasn't it really and account of a women's claim to have fathered a child by him?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#126 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>apparently you can't even keep up with yourself. you claimed that nothing was written until 60 years after Christ and that some were written 100yrs after Christ.
well if the oldest was written in year 60 and Christ died around year 30 that would only be 30 years and your year 100 [the book of revelation or the books of John which btw are not a gospel] would only be 70 years. all written by people who claimed to be eyewitnesses of the life of Christ.
so your original claim;
"Not one. All--without exception-- were written 60, 90, 100's of years AFTER."[the life of Christ]
is false. perhaps a lie. certainly a distortion of the truth clouded by your hatred for the topic at hand.
and btw this statement is also false;
Some date from 100CE and on.
Most date even later than that.
the apostle John was the last writer of the canon of the Bible and his last books are commonly accepted as being written just before the year 100. so if there is a book that was actually writen latter there would only be one not "most".
facts seem to be a problem with you.
so if there is a book
LMAO!

Wow... just... wow.

You are finally admitting that your bible is a collection of hearsay-- good! Now, you have to resort to nitpicking the dirty details. Too funny!

The next step, is to recognize that the names on the gospels are TRADITION-- and have nothing to do with whoever wrote them.

NONE of the alleged "disciples" wrote anything-- all the bible's books attributed to these people, are written much later--including (especially) John.

Good! This is progress!

You have just admitted that there is no eyewitness accounts in the bible.

Regardless of the actual numbers, this is a critical point.

It's good to see you growing up, if only a wee little bit.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#127 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
A tax credit means that if you give money away, you are credited that amount BACK by NOT paying the amount in TAX.
Thus?
Without tax exempt status, Billy-the-liar-Graham would never have made it out of the backwoods hickville that spawned him.
For NOBODY would have given him dime-one, without being PAID BACK BY THE GOVERNMENT.
This is true of ALL of your Genuine Christian™ Institutions of Lying.
once again you prove your ignorance. you must be an embarrassment to those who agre with your position.

no one receives a "tax credit" from donating to a charitable organization. they receive a "tax deduction".
apparently you don't have much experience with either.
there is no tax/finacial advantage to making a donation to a non profit organization. you don't save any money. however there is an advantage if you can qualify for a tax credit. you can receive a tax credit and a refund from the gov even if you haven't payed any taxes. you can not do that with a tax credit.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#128 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see you didn't post the quotes and are only speculating.
"63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ.(64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day."
doesn't sound to me as though he is quoting someone's opinion.
this quote comes in context of the historical assassination by pilot of the jews rebelling over a water system.
so where is your josephus quote about hercules? wasn't it really and account of a women's claim to have fathered a child by him?
Yes-- what you post here is EXACTLY what I said-- Joseph is quoting other folk's words, not his own.

He couldn't have-- HE WAS NOT YET BORN. Silly boy-- do try to keep up.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#129 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Since we KNOW he is just another LIAR for JEWSUS?
It is doubtful these numbers you give here, are even a LITTLE accurate.
You are likely making them up as you go.
Lying is your only strategy, after all.
it's in the anual statements that pass irs inspection. it is verified by several watch dog groups that exist only to expose fraud.
the public record is on his side. all you have is your hatred for the man.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#130 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see you didn't post the quotes and are only speculating.
"63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ.(64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day."
doesn't sound to me as though he is quoting someone's opinion.
this quote comes in context of the historical assassination by pilot of the jews rebelling over a water system.
so where is your josephus quote about hercules? wasn't it really and account of a women's claim to have fathered a child by him?
However, it's much-much WORSE than this, Jim.

Josephus' alleged words-- the ones you "quoted" here (without a citation, it's hard to tell if you edited it or not.. but you'd be in traditional company, if you did edit it...)

You see, the problem here with these words is this: they are the wrong age (if you look at the original language, Greek). That is, the words in the passages of Jewsus are TOO NEW, to have been written by Joseph.

That is, the language, the words, the spelling are all too new-- and do not fit historically with the rest of the books.

Thus? THESE WORDS ARE FRAUD-- they were added much later (which explains the too-new wordage) by ... Christian Liars for Jewsus (of course--who else?)

This is common knowledge among bible scholars.

Which is why you were ignorant of it, I suppose...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#131 Feb 22, 2013
... meh... that ought to read "Josephus", not "Joseph".

mea culpa
barry

Rainsville, AL

#132 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes-- what you post here is EXACTLY what I said-- Joseph is quoting other folk's words, not his own.
He couldn't have-- HE WAS NOT YET BORN. Silly boy-- do try to keep up.
ok then throw out all the history books. who's silly here?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#133 Feb 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!
Wow... just... wow.
You are finally admitting that your bible is a collection of hearsay-- good! Now, you have to resort to nitpicking the dirty details. Too funny!
The next step, is to recognize that the names on the gospels are TRADITION-- and have nothing to do with whoever wrote them.
NONE of the alleged "disciples" wrote anything-- all the bible's books attributed to these people, are written much later--including (especially) John.
Good! This is progress!
You have just admitted that there is no eyewitness accounts in the bible.
Regardless of the actual numbers, this is a critical point.
It's good to see you growing up, if only a wee little bit.
relly? says who?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#134 Feb 22, 2013
The jackass Brays.. SO?? Because even Christian historians admit this. The jackass continues to bray.. How can you be so sure? Because the secular historical record backs me up. The braying contines with a whine now.. Rome leveled Jeruselem in the year 70! Pointless as even the secular historian Josephus who's work was later forged to include Jesus was still documenting amongst other secular historians. This was so lame on your part I must say.

And note that time period is one of the better documented times in ancient history! Jesus Ben Strada the evil wizard Messiah we have accurate historical documentation for from Jews adn Roman sources. The Bible Jesus? Nope. With that fact alone people should be using their brains on if this Jesus who was from a city that didn't even exist until the mid-late 2nd century ( LOL ) even existed.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so? and how can you be so sure? rome leveled jeruselem in the year 70. destroyed everything in it. a lot of documentation is missing from that time.
uaxwax

Pittsburgh, PA

#135 Feb 22, 2013

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#136 Feb 22, 2013
No just properly update them. FOr to long historians have accepted Jesus existed merely on tradition. That isn't good enough by half. Now that many are digging into the proof and finding sad forgeries Like tacitus calling him the Christ they are changing their standpoint and rightfully so.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>ok then throw out all the history books. who's silly here?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#137 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>ok then throw out all the history books. who's silly here?
History-- actual, real bona-fide history books are, of course, subject to valid criticism.

But.

For the most part, there is little or no agenda in the writing of them, is there? Other than to report what happened, from the writer's culture's point of view, naturally.

Now.

Let's look at your bible: it's main purpose? To get more bible-worshipers.

As such, a little thing like the facts, or reality, cannot be allowed to interfere with this main objective.

Can it?

No--it cannot, so the truth is out the window, in favor of emotional stories of "Geee! Wizz! Lookit THAT!" and similar.

The sorts of stories that bamboozle the mindless, the credibly naive, the ... well.. the dimwitted.

You know-- morons.

In order to get more followers-- to keep feeding the cash-cow that is Genuine Christianity™.

And it works, too-- just look at how much YOU have been fleeced for, over the years....!

Sad.

But-- your bible isn't a history book-- not even a little bit.

Only by sheer, random-chance is anything in it NOT fiction.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#138 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>relly? says who?
You did-- you agreed that NOTHING in the bible was written during your Jewsus' alleged life.

As such, NOTHING in it is a credible witness.

This is progress for you-- as much as it pains you to admit it.

:)

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#139 Feb 22, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>the question was;
barry wrote:
<quoted text>ok, humor me, how did he use your taxes?
and that is your answer? really? how did your tax dollars or any gov money perpetuate his program?
they didn't, did they?
Taxes pay for all kinds of city, county and state services that we all manage to use. Streets, police, parks, fire departments, that kind of things, and people like Billy Graham do not pay for their share of this public responsibility, in fact while he is using Constantine's bible to make his living, and using non taxed and incredibly valuable property's, we all pay a higher share of taxes because he pays none.

If all of the bible charlatans and their churches paid taxes on real land values and what moneys they made, there would be a much smaller public debt for all of us to shoulder. His church should, as all churches should, pay taxes equal to and above that of an ordinary citizens tax burden. The churches should pay entertainment taxes and all related fees too. The church should be no more exempt nor considered any more beneficial than the massage parlors are.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#141 Feb 22, 2013
DENG wrote:
HE SHOULD GET BACK TO PREACHING AGAINST THE NUMBER-ONE ENEMY OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM BOTH AND THAT IS JUDAISM
A Christain preaching against Judaism, is like a person preaching against his own family. Judaism gave birth to both Christainity and Islam, they are her children. They both came from the same source, "Judaism". They both carry some of the same texts, and the same messages, as their mother religion does.

The older brother, the Jewish Rabbi named Jesus, taught only his mother's religion of the Jewish people. Constantine, used the collected works of many religions, including those of Judaism, in the creation of his and Judaism's son Christainity .

Islam's father, Mohamed corrected the "mistakes", in those two religions that thwarted his intended goals and used them to make his name and added to his fortune. The grandparents of Islam and Christianity were in part Pagan, and even today those Pagan parts can still be seen in the brothers.
Pills Clinton

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#143 Feb 22, 2013
DENG wrote:
HE SHOULD GET BACK TO PREACHING AGAINST THE NUMBER-ONE ENEMY OF CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM BOTH AND THAT IS JUDAISM
Deng! Mao and Billy was step brother lost&found by Mother natureal!!;-000h, the difference is Mao in Paradise n Billy in Heaven!! ;-000

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