Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Feb 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Q-Notes

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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It is funny how they bend and twist what the bible means generation per generation. Read apologetic literature from just 30 years ago verses today and you already see changes. Go back 200 years? It's damn near a different religion.
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<quoted text>They are master liars. Rather then admit their buybull is filled with cruelty and evil, they will try to twist and bend the words to distort the meaning.

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I think the writer did it that way to avoid Yahweh going back on his command. Yahweh doesn't say, oh hey forget what I said a few hours ago my ADHD must have been kicking in again. Instead have some random angel do his dirty work for him and clean up Yahweh's mess.
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<quoted text>Possible, but it is more likely that God did not want Abraham to see him laughing at his humiliation.
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<quoted text>You probably thought that was relevant in some fashion... Poor guy.
has to do with the psychology of self; which is what the book is about

when the self can incorporate the dark side and assimilate it to the whole, then equilibrium is met, relevance to balance.

Psalm 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Revelation 5:1
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

it is encoded within all.

"Better to be the poor servant of a poor master and to endure anything rather than think as they do and live after their manner -" plato

ex nihilo
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Givemeliberty wrote:
It is funny how they bend and twist what the bible means generation per generation. Read apologetic literature from just 30 years ago verses today and you already see changes. Go back 200 years? It's damn near a different religion.
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it's funny how language evolves with a culture.

the name changes, the language change, but the actions stay the same.

nature doesn't discriminate; even if people do.

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I hope they are not taking his comments out of context about gays. Yes, the Bible teaches that anybody, including gays can be saved, but it does not say that one should continue in that sin as the Bible declares that anyone in Christ is a new creature and the old things are passed away and also specifically prohibits such behavior. I seriously doubtful Mr Graham intended to teach that gays could continue in their lifestyle. As a Baptist, he belonged to the orthodox school of Christianity which holds that the Bible is the inspired word of God and the final word on everything. For him to preach otherwise would be heresy to the group he claims to represent.

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It is funny how they bend and twist what the bible means generation per generation. Read apologetic literature from just 30 years ago verses today and you already see changes. Go back 200 years? It's damn near a different religion.
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You don't even have to go back that far. 40 years ago, it was quite a bit different than it is today. The Church has been infected by feminism, for one, not to mention that it now twists the Bible to fit some of the excesses of their favorite political party.

As I understand the Bible, both major political parties are very far out of step with what the Bible teaches except that one does offer some scraps from the table to the Church (and little else)and most of that is only lip service anyway.
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I hope they are not taking his comments out of context about gays. Yes, the Bible teaches that anybody, including gays can be saved, but it does not say that one should continue in that sin as the Bible declares that anyone in Christ is a new creature and the old things are passed away and also specifically prohibits such behavior. I seriously doubtful Mr Graham intended to teach that gays could continue in their lifestyle. As a Baptist, he belonged to the orthodox school of Christianity which holds that the Bible is the inspired word of God and the final word on everything. For him to preach otherwise would be heresy to the group he claims to represent.
christ is all
things, there was no thing made that wasn't made of IT.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

et al

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

Jhn 21:15 So when they had dined , Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon,[son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

lambs = christs

what goes down, must come up

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

and what goes up, must come down.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

but where is heaven but the kingdom within, god is with us immanuel

rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

and so it is with all people

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
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<quoted text>You don't even have to go back that far. 40 years ago, it was quite a bit different than it is today. The Church has been infected by feminism, for one, not to mention that it now twists the Bible to fit some of the excesses of their favorite political party.
As I understand the Bible, both major political parties are very far out of step with what the Bible teaches except that one does offer some scraps from the table to the Church (and little else)and most of that is only lip service anyway.
justice is the highest form of righteousness. she is blind to forms. she isn't blind to actions.

Revelation 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Genesis 3:11
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Matthew 6:22
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

the LAW is ONE

Somebody call a doctor
Call him up quick
Been gettin' to my heart
Then you know me lovesick
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harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>christ is all
things, there was no thing made that wasn't made of IT.
Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
et al
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...
Jhn 21:15 So when they had dined , Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon,[son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
lambs = christs
what goes down, must come up
Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
and what goes up, must come down.
John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
but where is heaven but the kingdom within, god is with us immanuel
rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
and so it is with all people
John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, and toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them.--Deuteronomy 28:56-57

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I see you are a very devout Christian.
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>christ is all
things, there was no thing made that wasn't made of IT.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

et al

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

Jhn 21:15 So when they had dined , Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon,[son] of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

lambs = christs

what goes down, must come up

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

and what goes up, must come down.

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

but where is heaven but the kingdom within, god is with us immanuel

rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

and so it is with all people

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

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Oh the bible is such a moronic collection of hodge podge desert myths it makes one laugh. Not to mention how heavily edited and rewritten it is with entire books removed and passages in the current one changed or added in at much later dates.

If you could go back in time and bring some modern Christians with you to meet early Christians? They would have little in common belief wise. A very very basic foundation at best.
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You don't even have to go back that far. 40 years ago, it was quite a bit different than it is today. The Church has been infected by feminism, for one, not to mention that it now twists the Bible to fit some of the excesses of their favorite political party.

As I understand the Bible, both major political parties are very far out of step with what the Bible teaches except that one does offer some scraps from the table to the Church (and little else)and most of that is only lip service anyway.

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Poor guy.
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>has to do with the psychology of self; which is what the book is about

when the self can incorporate the dark side and assimilate it to the whole, then equilibrium is met, relevance to balance.

Psalm 40:7
Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,

Revelation 5:1
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

it is encoded within all.

"Better to be the poor servant of a poor master and to endure anything rather than think as they do and live after their manner -" plato

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I see you are a very devout Christian.
<quoted text>
"The Master took the high seat in the Hall. He said:'on your lump of red flesh
is a true man without rank who is always going in and out of the face of every one of you.
Those who have not yet proved him, look, look!" (Discourse III)

lin-chi
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Poor guy.
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poor me

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harpocrates wrote:
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"The Master took the high seat in the Hall. He said:'on your lump of red flesh
is a true man without rank who is always going in and out of the face of every one of you.
Those who have not yet proved him, look, look!" (Discourse III)
lin-chi
So no proof of god. You can stop lying to us now.
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So no proof of god. You can stop lying to us now.
ah you want proof?

energy cannot be created/destroyed; thus energy is ever present in some form/mode. energy is ever present, or omnipresent.

1st law of thermodynamics.

energy and matter are the same thing. yes?

e = m(c*c)

science is the search for information/knowledge.

thus you have:

1. energy
2. matter
3. consciousness

you can stop whining and asking now.

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<quoted text>ah you want proof?
energy cannot be created/destroyed; thus energy is ever present in some form/mode. energy is ever present, or omnipresent.
1st law of thermodynamics.
energy and matter are the same thing. yes?
e = m(c*c)
science is the search for information/knowledge.
thus you have:
1. energy
2. matter
3. consciousness
you can stop whining and asking now.
What the f*ck is that? That isn't proof, its the first law of thermodynamics, then a list of three words.

You need to prove:

1. That a god is even possible.
2. That gods are real and not fictional
3. That you are not a liar, lying about god.

Did you get that idiot thiest with no morals who thinks its ok to lie about a god you have no proof of?
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What the f*ck is that? That isn't proof, its the first law of thermodynamics, then a list of three words.
You need to prove:
1. That a god is even possible.
2. That gods are real and not fictional
3. That you are not a liar, lying about god.
Did you get that idiot thiest with no morals who thinks its ok to lie about a god you have no proof of?
i just did you.

i used the 1st law of thermodynamics to show that energy is neither created/destroyed. a cause is not necessary and energy is omnipresent always in some form.

i used the einstein's famous equation to show that energy and matter are the same thing; thus matter and energy are synonymous based on einsteins idea..

western science knows of at least 5 forms of matter to date.

1. solid
2. liquid
3. gas
4. plasma
5. bose-einstein condensate

no doubt there will be more to come.

finally i showed that the whole pursuit of science is the seeking/studying of knowledge/consciousness in all it's myriad forms whether kinetic/potential energy and in it's myriad forms, or states of matter.

i never implied that the ABSOLUTE has an anthropic form. it doesn't and that is the part you have the problem with.

undifferentiated matter contains information/intelligence.

all forms are made up of the same basic things. don't believe me? study physics
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What the f*ck is that? That isn't proof, its the first law of thermodynamics, then a list of three words.
You need to prove:
1. That a god is even possible.
2. That gods are real and not fictional
3. That you are not a liar, lying about god.
Did you get that idiot thiest with no morals who thinks its ok to lie about a god you have no proof of?
better yet, save yourself some time and simply read this page.

http://www.quantrek.com/quantum_hologram/quan...

QH theory is a promising new start in this general direction. Its ramifications and implications are profound. For instance, because of the QH model, science can no longer ignore subjectivity, metaphysics, parapsychology, or issues previously relegated to religion or mysticism. Nor can science any longer ignore the presence or importance of consciousness or thought in its relationship to physical matter. It must consider the strong possibility that the natural and the supernatural are one and the same thing, which renders the dualistic worldview of Newton and Descartes completely obsolete.
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Isaac died.
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<quoted text>good, did God accept the offering or did he provide a substitute an alternative?

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