Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

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President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#998 Apr 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>funny, i remember you saying this a few posts back;
"Wiki is hardly definitive"
yet your source is wiki.
so i am wondering who is the hypocrite?
now you also know or perhaps you really didn't comprehend it that i never claimed a date of 400 bce. what i posted was much shorter. but then facts are not really important to you.
now if we look at your wiki link we find a table of 14c results from Zurich (Z), Tucson (T) and Libby (L, amazingly only one manuscript (Wadi-Daliyeh deed) fits your date description and it didn't even come from the caves.
"The Great Isaiah Scroll 1QIsaa has been tested three times, once by Libby, once at Zurich and once at Tucson. The results from the latter two were almost identical, which is a good indicator of the basic accuracy of this dating method. 1QS (#15), tested at Zurich, and 4QSamc (#8), tested at Tucson, provide overlapping date ranges, which is to be expected when both texts are attributed to the same scribe.[7] When 4Q258 (#24) was tested at Tucson its result was so anomalous (129-255 or 303-318 CE) that the laboratory was asked to retest another sample from the same document. The second test (#21) yielded a result (50 BCE-130 CE) that was deemed more satisfactory."
so perhaps you might try to find something that agrees with you because i will read your sites.
You don't read-- I said the dates were ALL OVER THE PLACE, ranging from A to B.

In short? I ignored the individual dates, and looked for the oldest and the newest, and that's what I mentioned.

I used a SUMMARY-- but YOU?

YOU LIED OUTRIGHT-- YOU DID NOT EVEN MENTION THAT IT WAS A DATE-RANGE AT ALL!

Your lying post implied that EVERY DATE was old-- without ANY range to it!

Lying is how you roll.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#999 Apr 24, 2013
Most heroes are Christian and after saving millions of lives,you atheists say, "this world would be better without religion". Religion could be bad, but Christianity, is certainly, not a religion to go.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1000 Apr 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so then you agree that the concepts of Christianity existed long before they were supposedly invented in the second century as your friends claim?
100% of the ideas in the NT existed prior to it's creation.

In other religions, using other names, and other mythic characters.

Mythas is one of the more famous, but there are many more--

--- all of which could be literal copies of your Dead-Jew-On-A-Stick legend.

All that was changed? Was the names of the god(s), the "hero" and a few of the secondary characters.

The REST is nearly identical: late December birth, virgin birth, parents fleeing a bad king, various miracles, dead-raising too, horrid death, and becoming a Zombie 3 days later, and returning to "heaven", etc, etc, etc.

The details are all the same-- and pre-date your "christian" by some hundreds of years or more.

Face it: Constantine took the name of a local con-artist, and then took the legendary stories common to the era, likely his favorite childhood bedtime tales-- and then fabricated a Brandy-New Religion that happened to fit his desire to placate the rebels in his empire.

It's all bullsh7t.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1001 Apr 24, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>was it harvard that gave us barack obama?
So what if it did?

You disprove of the President, obviously (you did not capitalize his name-- indicative of your bigotry).

And I would submit the >>only<< reason you hate President Obama, is because he's about 10 times better educated than YOU.

And what's worse? This highly educated >>BLACK<< man is in YOUR white house!

And you just HATE that, don't you?

Go ahead-- admit it-- you'll feel better for having admitted you are just prejudiced.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1002 Apr 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I skimmed to the last three paragraphs and just about pissed myself laughing.
Wow could you find a more pie in the sky apologetic nonsense? Sheesh I can't believe you wasted your time posting that m.
Smh
<quoted text>
Yep. A Lying For Jewsus website. Worthless.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1003 Apr 24, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Most heroes are Christian and after saving millions of lives,you atheists say, "this world would be better without religion". Religion could be bad, but Christianity, is certainly, not a religion to go.
The Heroes are NOT heroes due to your ugly religion, you ignorant moron.

Heroes do what they do for a variety of reasons-- but NOT because of some Dead Jew on a Stick.

After all-- your Dead Jew Popsicle advocated >>passivity<<. He told people to be putzes, to just "take it on the other cheek", to just sit there like a GOOD little sheep would.

But Heroes don't DO that-- they ACT. They DO.

IN SPITE OF YOUR STICK-JESUS' COMMANDS TO THE CONTRARY.

No-- the world WOULD be a better place without your ugly.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1004 Apr 24, 2013
And it's just completely bass akwards to boot. Christholes think that because NT writers stole words and phrases and even entire effing sentences from the OT that somehow proves something beyond plagiarism. Lol!

You can actually hunt these up and my gosh it's humiliating how much is just straight stolen as if NT writers couldn't even come up with their own sht.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Because you are lying? Making sh7t up, as per your habit?

barry wrote, "
google this phrase and it will come up;
"proclaim glad tiding to the poor"
religiousstudies.uncc.edu/people/jtabor/4q521... ;

That proves zip, ziltch, nothing.

Unless the Dead Sea crap has THE SAME BOOKS as your New Testament?

It does NOT prove your NT.

A very common word or phrase is not good enough.

We already KNOW the NT is 100% copied from other legends.

That would prove this, and nothing more.

Which won't help YOUR argument at all...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1005 Apr 24, 2013
Hey Bob! That's the toilet scrubber! He was ran off a while back in humiliation, he was the one who before admitted to not even understanding the points and arguments made.

Just a heads up when posting to him, he is slightly mentally retarded. And no I do not mean that as an insult he is literally slightly mentally retarded.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>The Heroes are NOT heroes due to your ugly religion, you ignorant moron.

Heroes do what they do for a variety of reasons-- but NOT because of some Dead Jew on a Stick.

After all-- your Dead Jew Popsicle advocated >>passivity<<. He told people to be putzes, to just "take it on the other cheek", to just sit there like a GOOD little sheep would.

But Heroes don't DO that-- they ACT. They DO.

IN SPITE OF YOUR STICK-JESUS' COMMANDS TO THE CONTRARY.

No-- the world WOULD be a better place without your ugly.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1006 Apr 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
And it's just completely bass akwards to boot. Christholes think that because NT writers stole words and phrases and even entire effing sentences from the OT that somehow proves something beyond plagiarism. Lol!
You can actually hunt these up and my gosh it's humiliating how much is just straight stolen as if NT writers couldn't even come up with their own sht.
<quoted text>
Indeed it is pathetic.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1007 Apr 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hey Bob! That's the toilet scrubber! He was ran off a while back in humiliation, he was the one who before admitted to not even understanding the points and arguments made.
Just a heads up when posting to him, he is slightly mentally retarded. And no I do not mean that as an insult he is literally slightly mentally retarded.
<quoted text>
Catchar King is brain damaged?

I'll try to remember-- it is difficult to tell the actual, physical brain damaged from your average True Believer™ who is willfully (functionally) brain damaged, though.

One day, medical science will find a cure for the former.

Alas, there is no real cure for the latter sort.... unless they choose to re-engage their brains, of course.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1008 Apr 24, 2013
Oh man he is so damn funny! Last time he made so many errors and blunders it was a riot. That's what I love about this board man! The believers are so ignorant and trip up so much it's great for a laugh!

CK is the one who said, how I can be stupid I go inside university!

As if walking into a college makes you smarter by osmosis! But it gets better!

GML: What university CK?

CK: The university!

You know the university of university! It is the university all other universities must go to before they can become an actual university.

Lmfao!
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Catchar King is brain damaged?

I'll try to remember-- it is difficult to tell the actual, physical brain damaged from your average True Believer™ who is willfully (functionally) brain damaged, though.

One day, medical science will find a cure for the former.

Alas, there is no real cure for the latter sort.... unless they choose to re-engage their brains, of course.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#1009 Apr 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
The Heroes are NOT heroes due to your ugly religion, you ignorant moron.
Heroes do what they do for a variety of reasons-- but NOT because of some Dead Jew on a Stick.
After all-- your Dead Jew Popsicle advocated >>passivity<<. He told people to be putzes, to just "take it on the other cheek", to just sit there like a GOOD little sheep would.
But Heroes don't DO that-- they ACT. They DO.
IN SPITE OF YOUR STICK-JESUS' COMMANDS TO THE CONTRARY.
No-- the world WOULD be a better place without your ugly.
Nope, if you hadn't noticed it's the only thing that keeps this world alive.

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Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#1010 Apr 25, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
Most heroes are Christian and after saving millions of lives,you atheists say, "this world would be better without religion". Religion could be bad, but Christianity, is certainly, not a religion to go.
Christians ended millions of lives through pogroms, witch hunts, and imperialism.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1011 Apr 25, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, if you hadn't noticed it's the only thing that keeps this world alive.
(in the voice of Foghorn Leghorn)

What "it" are you blathering on about, boy?

Make SENSE, boy! We cannot understand when you just blather on without proper meaning.

And where is your PROOF, boy? You have no FACTS, to back your wild claims. No FACTS, boy.

You GOT to have the FACTS, if you wish to play in an ADULT arena.

Facts, boy, FACTS are where it's at.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1012 Apr 25, 2013
emperorjohn wrote:
<quoted text> Christians ended millions of lives through pogroms, witch hunts, and imperialism.
And that continues even today.

There's a case here in the USA, where Genuine Christian™ parents allowed BOTH KIDS to die.

Why?

Because of NO medical care-- these Genuine Christians™ used praying instead.

And the kids are now DEAD.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#1013 Apr 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I skimmed to the last three paragraphs and just about pissed myself laughing.
Wow could you find a more pie in the sky apologetic nonsense? Sheesh I can't believe you wasted your time posting that m.
Smh
<quoted text>
you're the one who wanted edu web sites. neither of the sites is a Christian apologetic site. and the information contained in them passed the scrutiny of secular academics in order to be posted on their sites. so what is your problem? is the information false? or does it simply not say what you want it to say?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#1014 Apr 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
And that continues even today.
There's a case here in the USA, where Genuine Christian™ parents allowed BOTH KIDS to die.
Why?
Because of NO medical care-- these Genuine Christians™ used praying instead.
And the kids are now DEAD.
link the story and we will see how genuinely Christian they actually were. other wise keep fishing you might catch something.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#1015 Apr 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I sourced it because YOU DID FIRST-- and I was SHOWING HOW YOU LIED BY OMMISSION.
You do that-- you lie, by leaving OUT critical information in order to make your point SEEM reasonable.
You god-robots are like that: you lie in so MANY ways.
You lie outright
You lie by telling partial truth--leaving out the part that refutes you completely
You lie by misquoting people, re-arranging their words so that they APPEAR to support your lies.
Just as YOU did with your Wiki post:
YOU LIED and said Wiki puts the DDS at 400BC or so.
So I decided I had better go look myself-- you LIED, by leaving out the wide range of dates-- and the fact that they are all over the place, too!
Your post was a flat lie.
It's how you roll.
i see that "you lie" has now become your favorite expression again.
you used a link that actually disproved your point. you make a general accusation without show any proof or examples of your evidence. so when all else fails just say "you lie". that is really productive.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#1016 Apr 25, 2013
It's an obvious fluff headed feel good apologetic piece and I am surprised you wasted your time posting it.

Show the post where I asked for an edu page.

Hurry up now liar.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you're the one who wanted edu web sites. neither of the sites is a Christian apologetic site. and the information contained in them passed the scrutiny of secular academics in order to be posted on their sites. so what is your problem? is the information false? or does it simply not say what you want it to say?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#1017 Apr 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Is that what I said? I suggest you read my post again about a dozen times out load before answering so you don't make an even bigger braying jackass out of yourself.
<quoted text>
yep, that's what you said;
"Actually what they show is that the people of the time used holy (bible) books that are rejected today.. You know man editing what he wants to go into the so called word of god collection!"

if "people of the time" used holy books that are rejected and we know that the DSS are from 200bc to about 100ad and you and your friends claim that the scriptures were really written in the second century and if they were copied or they used rejected books then, you are claiming that scripture is copied from concepts found in the DSS. therefore the concept of Christianity was not invented by the writers of scripture in the second century.

is Jackass your favorite word?

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