Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

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President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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Since: Mar 11

United States

#614 Mar 21, 2013
Exactly man! Hell I even was gracious enough to use a Christian apologetic website that clearly states that yes, Yahweh's people owned and used slaves with his blessing.

He of course tries the childish slave just means servant. The word used for all of these cases of slavery.. oops servitude is the same word used for the Israelites in Egypt.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. Not even a little bit "misinterpreting".

Here's why:

If your bible is DIVINE as you claim?

Then it would not NEED "interpreting"... it would stand on it's own merits.

But the very fact that you HAVE to claim "interpret" the bible?

Proves to 100%, that it's not even a little bit divine...

Thanks!

You are helping to discredit your cult.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#615 Mar 21, 2013
Oh jeez...is barry still trying to rationalize away the fact that his god is a moral pervert? how sad...the cult people will do anything to stay in the hive, i guess...

it;s not htat scary in the world of self thought, barry, come out and play!
barry

Rainsville, AL

#616 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Not even a little bit "misinterpreting".
Here's why:
If your bible is DIVINE as you claim?
Then it would not NEED "interpreting"... it would stand on it's own merits.
But the very fact that you HAVE to claim "interpret" the bible?
Proves to 100%, that it's not even a little bit divine...
Thanks!
You are helping to discredit your cult.
proves that you aren't led by God when you read [well' you really don't do you] his word.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#617 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Not even a little bit "misinterpreting".
Here's why:
If your bible is DIVINE as you claim?
Then it would not NEED "interpreting"... it would stand on it's own merits.
But the very fact that you HAVE to claim "interpret" the bible?
Proves to 100%, that it's not even a little bit divine...
Thanks!
You are helping to discredit your cult.
this coming from a guy who thought that BG donors received tax credits. lol.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#618 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>proves that you aren't led by God when you read [well' you really don't do you] his word.
Huh? no-one that reads his word is led by god? i guess most people knew this, but you cult members all say you are led by god...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#619 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>proves that you aren't led by God when you read [well' you really don't do you] his word.
LMAO!

Seriously?

What better TOOL to re-convert me, than to be "lead by god" when I read the bible...!

But.

Your non-existent god cannot DO that, CAN he?

Literally laughing out loud at you, here!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#620 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>this coming from a guy who thought that BG donors received tax credits. lol.
Anyone who pays money to RELIGIOUS groups in the US, gets to count that money off their income.

That is the very ESSENCE of tax credits you ignorant moron.
Lincoln

United States

#621 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who pays money to RELIGIOUS groups in the US, gets to count that money off their income.
The donations you make to your church throughout the year can be deducted from your taxes only if you itemize your expenses on Schedule A when you file your personal tax return.
To use Schedule A, your total itemized deductions must exceed the standard deduction for your filing status.

If the standard deduction provides a greater tax benefit, your church donations won't offer any additional tax savings.

However, you can deduct those donations in any of the next five tax years that you choose to itemize deductions.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#622 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who pays money to RELIGIOUS groups in the US, gets to count that money off their income.
That is the very ESSENCE of tax credits you ignorant moron.
no, i as a business man receive tax credits for certain things i do. i as a private individual i can receive a tax credit for certain purchases i make. that is a dollar for dollar given reduction in my taxes. i can get money back from the gov even if i do not owe any taxes. those are definitely a financial advantage.
if i make a donation to the red cross or to bg, i only receive a tax deduction. there is no financial advantage to me for doing so.
so grow up and act like a mature adult. you did not and perhaps do not know what a tax credit is. however no one ever received a tax credit for donating to bg as you claimed several times.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#623 Mar 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps you should look up "Martin Luther". Before Martin Luther, all christians were either catholic or eastern orthodox. Protestantism did not exist before 1517, when Luther wrote his 95 theses. Even after the splitting off, most of protestant belief is the same as catholic belief.
You are no doubt a great follower of Martin Luther. You seem to share his disdain for reason when it is in opposition to faith:
Reason is the enemy of faith.- Martin Luther
Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but - more frequently than not - struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God - Martin Luther\
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.- Martin Luther
baptist or ana-baptist were around long before martin luther.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#624 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, i as a business man receive tax credits for certain things i do. i as a private individual i can receive a tax credit for certain purchases i make. that is a dollar for dollar given reduction in my taxes. i can get money back from the gov even if i do not owe any taxes. those are definitely a financial advantage.
Wild hare, does not help your case.
barry wrote:
if i make a donation to the red cross or to bg, i only receive a tax deduction. there is no financial advantage to me for doing so.
You really don't understand TAXES, do you?

LOL!

What on EARTH do you think a "tax deduction" IS?

It is a SUBTRACTION (deduction) from your GROSS INCOME, making that figure GO DOWN.

Which puts you in a LOWER tax bracket--

-- in short? The money you give away IS NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE DOLLARS YOU ARE TAXED ON.

And that is a HUGE advantage to your bottom line: YOU PAY LESS TAX.

The taxes you SHOULD have paid, SUPPORT YOUR EVIL CHURCH.

Yes-- I have to yell, because you are SO stupid.

Seriously.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#625 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>baptist or ana-baptist were around long before martin luther.
Lie.

Why do you lie? Oh! You lie because you must-- you have no truth.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#626 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Wild hare, does not help your case.
<quoted text>
You really don't understand TAXES, do you?
LOL!
What on EARTH do you think a "tax deduction" IS?
It is a SUBTRACTION (deduction) from your GROSS INCOME, making that figure GO DOWN.
Which puts you in a LOWER tax bracket--
-- in short? The money you give away IS NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE DOLLARS YOU ARE TAXED ON.
And that is a HUGE advantage to your bottom line: YOU PAY LESS TAX.
The taxes you SHOULD have paid, SUPPORT YOUR EVIL CHURCH.
Yes-- I have to yell, because you are SO stupid.
Seriously.
wow! you are so astute! not!

so, let's run the figures. if my taxable income is $100,000 and my tax rate is 25% then after taxes [$25,00] i would have $75,000 left over. are you with me?
now. if i give the red cross or BG $10,000 then i would only be paying 25% on $90,000 [$22,500].

however i would only have $67,500 left over. the last time i went to school that is a negative difference of $7,500.

so, there is absolutely no financial advantage to giving money to the red cross or to BG even if i would fall into a lower tax bracket.

however if i needed a new central heat and air conditioner and i paid $5,000 to have it installed i might receive a $2,000 tax credit that would still come to me even if for some reason i didn't even owe any taxes. so my actual loss for a necessary expense that i would have purchased anyway is only $3,000 instead of $5,000. now there are gov programs that will give you a big tax credit even when they don't cost you any thing. one year instead of paying taxes they gave me $14,000 back plus what i had paid in. now that is how a tax credit works.

no one received any kind of financial advantage for donating to BG's association. hope that helps you understand it. i did notice that your two friends are not helping you with this.

you don't pay taxes do you?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#627 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Lie.
Why do you lie? Oh! You lie because you must-- you have no truth.
riiiight! when you can't brig anything to the table, when you can't defend your position, just yell, "liar, liar, pants on fire". that is so pre-school.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#628 Mar 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Wild hare, does not help your case.
<quoted text>
You really don't understand TAXES, do you?
LOL!
What on EARTH do you think a "tax deduction" IS?
It is a SUBTRACTION (deduction) from your GROSS INCOME, making that figure GO DOWN.
Which puts you in a LOWER tax bracket--
-- in short? The money you give away IS NOT COUNTED TOWARDS THE DOLLARS YOU ARE TAXED ON.
And that is a HUGE advantage to your bottom line: YOU PAY LESS TAX.
The taxes you SHOULD have paid, SUPPORT YOUR EVIL CHURCH.
Yes-- I have to yell, because you are SO stupid.
Seriously.
really, who's "so stupid"?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#629 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>wow! you are so astute! not!
so, let's run the figures. if my taxable income is $100,000 and my tax rate is 25% then after taxes [$25,00] i would have $75,000 left over. are you with me?
now. if i give the red cross or BG $10,000 then i would only be paying 25% on $90,000 [$22,500].
however i would only have $67,500 left over. the last time i went to school that is a negative difference of $7,500.
so, there is absolutely no financial advantage to giving money to the red cross or to BG even if i would fall into a lower tax bracket.
however if i needed a new central heat and air conditioner and i paid $5,000 to have it installed i might receive a $2,000 tax credit that would still come to me even if for some reason i didn't even owe any taxes. so my actual loss for a necessary expense that i would have purchased anyway is only $3,000 instead of $5,000. now there are gov programs that will give you a big tax credit even when they don't cost you any thing. one year instead of paying taxes they gave me $14,000 back plus what i had paid in. now that is how a tax credit works.
no one received any kind of financial advantage for donating to BG's association. hope that helps you understand it. i did notice that your two friends are not helping you with this.
you don't pay taxes do you?
Math is not your strong suit, is it?

LMAO!

What is it about the word "deduction" that you do not understand?

Sad for you-- your ugly religion is riding on the backs of taxpayers-- has been since it's ugly inception. BG is no different: it's ugly, it gets a free ride on the taxpayer's backs.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#630 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>riiiight! when you can't brig anything to the table, when you can't defend your position, just yell, "liar, liar, pants on fire". that is so pre-school.
You do lie-- you believe in invisible sky-fairies and talking snakes.

You also lie about the origins of your ugly hate-cult.

That is what faith is: a lie you tell yourself when reality tells you something different from what your wish-fantasy is.

What's worse? You actually think your evil, terrorist-god is ... "good".

That's the biggest lie of all.

It is not possible for your god to be good: your god uses infinite torture to get and retain followers (hell--since you are so dimwitted).

That isn't good-- that's pure-D evil.

Yet you lie and claim "god is good".

There's more lies you tell-- want to hear 'em?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#631 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>really, who's "so stupid"?
You.

You also lie-- it's what you True Believers™ do.

You lie because you MUST-- your ugly religion isn't based in reality-- it's based entirely on lies.

And that is just ...

... stupid.

So you are quite stupid.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#632 Mar 21, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>wow! you are so astute! not!
so, let's run the figures. if my taxable income is $100,000 and my tax rate is 25% then after taxes [$25,00] i would have $75,000 left over. are you with me?
now. if i give the red cross or BG $10,000 then i would only be paying 25% on $90,000 [$22,500].
however i would only have $67,500 left over. the last time i went to school that is a negative difference of $7,500.
1) tax rates vary with which bracket you are in

2) your tax bracket is based on "taxable income". This is income AFTER ALL DEDUCTIONS.

3) even if there were the magic "flat" tax rate of 25%, if you deduct right off the top, money you gave away, the tax you owe is less AFTER the deduction than before. Moreover, it would likely place you into a lower (less percent) bracket-- else you would not bother.

We all know you True Believers™ are as selfish as it's possible to be* so there is no incentive to give money unless you get financial benefit from it.

__________

* proof? You believe the Ultimate Creator of Everything has a close personal relationship with .... you. That is the ULTIMATE in selfishness-- you actually believe the actual UNIVERSE was created just for little old you.

It just doesn't get any more selfish than that.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#633 Mar 22, 2013
Prove it!

BTW

Christianity: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

Even this church is better than your church!

barry wrote:
<quoted text>baptist or ana-baptist were around long before martin luther.

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