Somalia: Holiday in Somalia Turns Int...

Somalia: Holiday in Somalia Turns Into Nightmare

There are 30 comments on the AllAfrica.com story from Aug 17, 2012, titled Somalia: Holiday in Somalia Turns Into Nightmare. In it, AllAfrica.com reports that:

Sarah, of Somali descent but born in the Netherlands, was 16 when she was forced to marry her uncle in Somalia.

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“turn back the hands of time”

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#1 Aug 17, 2012
I believe this girl is a reer xamar cadcad, in mainstream Somali culture marrying your uncle is taboo.

Weligaay ma maqal gabar soomali ah oo odey waalid u ah aroos loogu dhisay. Shoqul carbeedkan ha la joojiyo.

Since: Aug 12

UK

#2 Aug 17, 2012
It is haram to marry your uncle I don't know why they done that. Your uncle can be your wali so you can not marry him.

I feel sorry for her. The marriage isn't right. Source?

“turn back the hands of time”

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#3 Aug 17, 2012
HannaTheOrignal wrote:
It is haram to marry your uncle I don't know why they done that. Your uncle can be your wali so you can not marry him.
I feel sorry for her. The marriage isn't right. Source?
Check the article http://allafrica.com/stories/201208171091.htm...

Arabs marry their uncles, but in Somali tradition itīs taboo, thatīs why I think Sheīs benadiri cadcad, they have a different culture in that aspect.
S0mali

San Francisco, CA

#4 Aug 17, 2012
Where did you hear that from?
S0mali

San Francisco, CA

#5 Aug 17, 2012
Ah, I see AllAfrica.com ?
Nomadic Prince

Shakopee, MN

#6 Aug 17, 2012
INSEARCH_OF A BRAIN, why do you make a thread about this Ayan Hersi, I know she isn't Reer Xamari, as they aren't disobedient dhilos, she just a idoor. The fact that she is talking badly about her mother and cursing her out goes to show you why parents in the somali culture and most cultures of the world perfer boys/men to girls. A man I know when he was a child his mother left him, she refused to take care of him because he was the product of a unislamic birth, but he still honored his mother and gave her duas. Years later she met her son and he had no feelings of anger or bitterness, infact he takes care of her in his old age as he does his father.

Since: Aug 12

UK

#7 Aug 17, 2012
Arabs marry their uncle?? I haven't heard this before I'm sure its haram.

“turn back the hands of time”

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#8 Aug 17, 2012
HannaTheOrignal wrote:
Arabs marry their uncle?? I haven't heard this before I'm sure its haram.
Yes itīs normal for them.

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#9 Aug 17, 2012
in the article he was her mother's cousin . So I think that's why they thought it was ok. What I can't understand is how they forced her into it and how her in laws brought her back. Couldn't she just refuse?

“turn back the hands of time”

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#10 Aug 17, 2012
Peace n shaax wrote:
in the article he was her mother's cousin . So I think that's why they thought it was ok. What I can't understand is how they forced her into it and how her in laws brought her back. Couldn't she just refuse?
Err, in Somali mainstream culture, your motherīs cousin is your abti and thereby heīs a waalid and not suitable for marriage. Unless they are benadiri cadcads because their practices are middle eastern in that aspect.

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#11 Aug 17, 2012
I know but I talking about how they justified it. Is arranged/forced marriage also part of their culture cus it's not part of main stream Somali culture.
INSEARCH_OF wrote:
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Err, in Somali mainstream culture, your motherīs cousin is your abti and thereby heīs a waalid and not suitable for marriage. Unless they are benadiri cadcads because their practices are middle eastern in that aspect.
Faraax2012

Arlington, VA

#12 Aug 17, 2012
INSEARCH_OF wrote:
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Err, in Somali mainstream culture, your motherīs cousin is your abti and thereby heīs a waalid and not suitable for marriage. Unless they are benadiri cadcads because their practices are middle eastern in that aspect.
cousin marraige in halaal in islam stands to reason that a man who can marry his female cousin can marry her daughter. and it happens in mainstream somali culture. once knew i guy who married his cousin daughter. not saying it right or iam all for it just saying it happens.

by the way INSEARCH has ulterior motives everybody know that a niece can't marry her maternal and paternal uncle that incest but she neglect to point out that the girl married her mother's cousin. all in a hope to disparage arabs we know shit happens middle east you don't have to advertise every arab racist, rapist and pedophile. somalis already know that arabs are dysfunctional we don't need you to tell us that shit we already know.

“turn back the hands of time”

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#13 Aug 17, 2012
Faraax2012 wrote:
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cousin marraige in halaal in islam stands to reason that a man who can marry his female cousin can marry her daughter. and it happens in mainstream somali culture. once knew i guy who married his cousin daughter. not saying it right or iam all for it just saying it happens.
by the way INSEARCH has ulterior motives everybody know that a niece can't marry her maternal and paternal uncle that incest but she neglect to point out that the girl married her mother's cousin. all in a hope to disparage arabs we know shit happens middle east you don't have to advertise every arab racist, rapist and pedophile. somalis already know that arabs are dysfunctional we don't need you to tell us that shit we already know.
Itīs not culturally acceptable among Somalis for a man to marry a girl to whom is an abti or an adeer, which is exactly what a male cousin of your parents is to you. I strongly advise you learn about Somali culture before talking

Clearly this girl and her family are benadiri cadcads, because arabs donīt make distinction between paternal or maternal cousins and they also marry uncles.

“Al-Hawiyah destroyed ZOOMALIA”

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#15 Aug 17, 2012
Disgusting.
Faraax2012

Arlington, VA

#16 Aug 17, 2012
INSEARCH_OF wrote:
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Itīs not culturally acceptable among Somalis for a man to marry a girl to whom is an abti or an adeer, which is exactly what a male cousin of your parents is to you. I strongly advise you learn about Somali culture before talking
Clearly this girl and her family are benadiri cadcads, because arabs donīt make distinction between paternal or maternal cousins and they also marry uncles.
he is abti or adeer by daqaan but not by diin, it halaal and you can't make it haraam that said we who live in the west might find even cousin marriage gross but in badiyoo this shit happens it way to strengthen family ties and those ties count more than us having philosophic discussion on the net.
SOMALI

Calgary, Canada

#17 Aug 17, 2012
WTF? Marrying your Uncle..That's Haraam!

And somalis are not arabs! I don't a know a somali in my family, that mrried their cousin etc..

ewww her uncle

SICK!

“turn back the hands of time”

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#20 Aug 17, 2012
Faraax2012 wrote:
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he is abti or adeer by daqaan but not by diin, it halaal and you can't make it haraam that said we who live in the west might find even cousin marriage gross but in badiyoo this shit happens it way to strengthen family ties and those ties count more than us having philosophic discussion on the net.
Wrong again, and youīre mixing apples and oranges. First off: cousin marriage is not a religious injunction, rather itīs a cultural practice which is not forbidden by religion or by law in most places on this planet. So letīs keep religion out of this since cousin marriage is not one of the five pillar of Islam.

Back to Somali culture: Mainstream somali men, nomadic or not, do not marry their own nieces, this is a cultural taboo, a act of dishonor and a great source of shame. Even blood cousin marriage is a rarity and happens only if thereīs some scandal to cover up and the girl is married off to distant cousin who is generous enough to inuu u ceeb qariyo. This another incentive for mainstream Somali parents to not encourage blood cousin marriages because people will gossip and think the daughter must have done something shameful to marry a relative. Please learn the dhaqan. Even cadaan colonial infiltrators noted during their visits that blood cousin marriages were not common among Somalis unlike the arabs.

Please donīt lie about the culture.
jamac

London, UK

#21 Aug 17, 2012
HannaTheOrignal wrote:
It is haram to marry your uncle I don't know why they done that. Your uncle can be your wali so you can not marry him.
I feel sorry for her. The marriage isn't right. Source?
its her distant uncle what westeners call a cousin twice removed...probably from her mothers clan....what makes u think someone would marry their first uncle...dhaqanka barro what r u a somali binbo lol ...marrying your moms cousins its accepted in islam its not haram but u cant marry your parents brothers or sisters thats totally haram.....
NAP

UK

#22 Aug 17, 2012
The whole story sounds to me a fiction, is good story teller to western world but as a somali the only thing I could describe to is a KURIKUTEEN. we did hear them similar ones before which it was imagination and lies, the older generation did it to gain asylum and younger ones are re modifying the stories of their parents to gain publicity.
@insearch of Have you ever heard Abti guur mudan?
reer cadcad of soomaaligaas ma isticmaalaan...

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#24 Aug 17, 2012
Lol "mid cirka laga soo riday"
Good one

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