Federal judge's ruling guts Proposition 8, the voter-approved ban o...

Wednesday's ruling shooting down a ban on same-sex marriages in California was welcomed, and somewhat expected, by many who were watching from the sidelines in Santa Cruz. Full Story
SCBorn

Alamo, CA

#25 Aug 5, 2010
aptos wrote:
So much for the 7 MILLION people who voted for the ban. The losers didn't like the legal outcome, so they sued.
What's the point of voting anymore?
I'd be delighted if you gave the practice up entirely.
Read the materisl written by the country's founders dumb ash - pay particular attention to the bits that say "beware the tyranny of the masses."
curious cat

Santa Cruz, CA

#27 Aug 5, 2010
anneshirley wrote:
<quoted text>
We don't get to vote for ignorance. Many people in the south voted to keep segregation legal.
That did not make it right.
The people who voted for Prop 8 literally did vote for something that was was discriminatory.
Please explain to me how they didn't.
If the constitution guarantees everyone life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, how is this wrong?
Oh. And remember.
There's also the bit about separation of church and state.
Go.
this cat is curious as to how supposedly open minded people who feel uncomfortable about racial discrimination will vote for and morally approve discrimination based upon gender preferences. so it is out of style to be a racist, but in style to be a homophobe.

times change, but people do not. thank you for your clear minded post.
curious cat

Santa Cruz, CA

#28 Aug 5, 2010
check this out:

http://www.iglhrc.org/cgi-bin/iowa/article/ta...

next thing we know there will be a proposition on the ballot to segregate (perceived) LGBT people from housing with the (perceived) heterosexual majority.

to quote:

"Around the world, LGBT people are deprived of the fundamental human right to adequate housing. Discrimination against LGBT people can result in inadequate living conditions and increases their vulnerability to physical and sexual violence, and consequently making them vulnerable to drug abuse, HIV/AIDS, and suicide. Without the right to housing, LGBT individuals cannot experience full and meaningful access to their fundamental human rights."

this is plain wrong. Prop. 8 just shows the tip of the iceberg of discrimination which (perceived) LGBT people face everyday, worldwide.

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#29 Aug 5, 2010
This is what the Bible says in the new testament about the sin of homosexuality and those who support it.
Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 For this reason, God gave them over to impurity to follow the lusts of their hearts and to dishonor their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions. Even their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 In the same way, their males also abandoned the natural sexual function of females and burned with lust for one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received in themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the full knowledge of God, God gave them over to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's just requirement-that those who practice such things deserve to die-they not only do these things but even applaud others who practice them.
curious cat

Santa Cruz, CA

#30 Aug 5, 2010
mixed wrote:
Liberty and justice for ALL! Should be practiced by our laws regardless of what bigoted church goers or even a transient majority in any given state thinks.
yes, i agree. watch a Section 8 housing soap opera:

Uh Oh

Santa Cruz, CA

#31 Aug 5, 2010
Man of the Cloth wrote:
This is what the Bible says in the new testament about the sin of homosexuality and those who support it.
Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 For this reason, God gave them over to impurity to follow the lusts of their hearts and to dishonor their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions. Even their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 In the same way, their males also abandoned the natural sexual function of females and burned with lust for one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received in themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the full knowledge of God, God gave them over to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's just requirement-that those who practice such things deserve to die-they not only do these things but even applaud others who practice them.
Ugh, you again. God doesn't approve of hatred.

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#33 Aug 5, 2010
Uh Oh wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh, you again. God doesn't approve of hatred.
yes God Approves of the Hatred of Sin, but loves the sinner, would you repent today while there is still time and not perish for your sins against God.
Jesus Loves the sinner but hates the sin.
Ex Liberal

United States

#35 Aug 5, 2010
Uh Oh wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh, you again. God doesn't approve of hatred.
Dude, did you even bother to read the verses? You haven't a clue to the ramifications of your life choices and actions using your God given right to free will in such a sinful manner!
No hatred, just spreadng the word of God! You can turn away form God! It's you choice! You run but you can't hide from God! You might considert stopping the sin and ask God for forgiveness.
He'll grant you forgiveness if you ask!
He'll love you unconditionally even though you have sinned in the past and most likely will slip and sin in the future!
anneshirley

Hayward, CA

#36 Aug 5, 2010
Regardless of what anyone thinks about god, we do not live in a theocracy, so it's irrelevant.
dumazzes

Riverside, IL

#37 Aug 5, 2010
Man of the Cloth wrote:
<quoted text>
yes God Approves of the Hatred of Sin, but loves the sinner, would you repent today while there is still time and not perish for your sins against God.
Jesus Loves the sinner but hates the sin.
What did Jesus say about homosexuality?
dumazzes

Riverside, IL

#38 Aug 5, 2010
Ex Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Dude, did you even bother to read the verses? You haven't a clue to the ramifications of your life choices and actions using your God given right to free will in such a sinful manner!
No hatred, just spreadng the word of God! You can turn away form God! It's you choice! You run but you can't hide from God! You might considert stopping the sin and ask God for forgiveness.
He'll grant you forgiveness if you ask!
He'll love you unconditionally even though you have sinned in the past and most likely will slip and sin in the future!
Hmm which God are you talking about? You Christians cannot even agree and you are using the same dam book. Keep your God to yourself

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#39 Aug 5, 2010
dumazzes wrote:
<quoted text>What did Jesus say about homosexuality?
Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 For this reason, God gave them over to impurity to follow the lusts of their hearts and to dishonor their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions. Even their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 In the same way, their males also abandoned the natural sexual function of females and burned with lust for one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received in themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the full knowledge of God, God gave them over to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's just requirement-that those who practice such things deserve to die-they not only do these things but even applaud others who practice them.

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#40 Aug 5, 2010
more on what Jesus said,
Rev 22:12 "Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev 22:16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star."
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." And let the one who hears say, "Come." And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.
Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book,
Rev 22:19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming soon."
Half-Lorax

Capitola, CA

#41 Aug 5, 2010
Happy Marriage Day Indeed!

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#42 Aug 5, 2010
Jesus Loves you there is still time to repent dont burn in Hell over sexual immorality and Homosexuality repent, ask for forgiveness and live.
snyper

Pacifica, CA

#43 Aug 6, 2010
aptos wrote:
So much for the 7 MILLION people who voted for the ban. The losers didn't like the legal outcome, so they sued.
What's the point of voting anymore?
When any piece of legislation, whether voted on by Legislatures or by the general Populace, is found to be Unconstitutional it is struck down. That's the way it is supposed to work, and does.
Try reading the Walker decision, completely. He goes into clear and boring detail summarizing the cases brought before him, the precedents that apply to the issues presented, and the reasoning of his decision. It isn't a hard read at all.
Based on the arguments, he really could not have decided any other way.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#44 Aug 6, 2010
Man of the Cloth wrote:
<quoted text>
Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 For this reason, God gave them over to impurity to follow the lusts of their hearts and to dishonor their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions. Even their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 In the same way, their males also abandoned the natural sexual function of females and burned with lust for one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received in themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the full knowledge of God, God gave them over to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's just requirement-that those who practice such things deserve to die-they not only do these things but even applaud others who practice them.
Saul was a platonist heretic. Try again.

Since: Mar 07

United States

#45 Aug 6, 2010
Dan Welch wrote:
With out hate, homosexuality is wrong, it has always been wrong and it will always be wrong. Laws do not change right and wrong.
Why is homosexuality wrong?

You don't choose it. You can't change it. It doesn't harm anyone, and it does not stop anyone from being a productive American, or from being happy and fulfilled in life.

Basically, you are just saying that you personally find it odd since you are not gay yourself, and don't have enough empathy to simply judge folks on who they are, and not their natural sexual orientation, which really has nothing to do with you at all.

Marriage is good for families and gfood for society. And now gay married couples in CA will have the same recognition and securty for their families that all other families can enjoy.

That's all this is about.
curious cat

Santa Cruz, CA

#46 Aug 6, 2010
Man of the Cloth wrote:
This is what the Bible says in the new testament about the sin of homosexuality and those who support it.
Rom 1:18 For God's wrath is being revealed from heaven against all the ungodliness and wickedness of those who in their wickedness suppress the truth.
Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God himself has made it plain to them.
Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes-his eternal power and divine nature-have been understood and observed by what he made, so that people are without excuse.
Rom 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him. Instead, their thoughts turned to worthless things, and their ignorant hearts were darkened.
Rom 1:22 Though claiming to be wise, they became fools
Rom 1:23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images that looked like mortal human beings, birds, four-footed animals, and reptiles.
Rom 1:24 For this reason, God gave them over to impurity to follow the lusts of their hearts and to dishonor their bodies with one another.
Rom 1:25 They exchanged God's truth for a lie and worshipped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this reason, God gave them over to degrading passions. Even their females exchanged their natural sexual function for one that is unnatural.
Rom 1:27 In the same way, their males also abandoned the natural sexual function of females and burned with lust for one another. Males committed indecent acts with males, and received in themselves the appropriate penalty for their perversion.
Rom 1:28 Furthermore, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the full knowledge of God, God gave them over to degraded minds to perform acts that should not be done.
Rom 1:29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, quarreling, deceit, and viciousness. They are gossips,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, God-haters, haughty, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to their parents,
Rom 1:31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
Rom 1:32 Although they know God's just requirement-that those who practice such things deserve to die-they not only do these things but even applaud others who practice them.
the bible doesn't say squat about homosexuality in its current context. read the verses in the original Greek and Hebrew. you don't have a clue about your own bible!

“Jesus Is Lord”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#47 Aug 6, 2010
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is homosexuality wrong?
You don't choose it. You can't change it. It doesn't harm anyone, and it does not stop anyone from being a productive American, or from being happy and fulfilled in life.
Basically, you are just saying that you personally find it odd since you are not gay yourself, and don't have enough empathy to simply judge folks on who they are, and not their natural sexual orientation, which really has nothing to do with you at all.
Marriage is good for families and gfood for society. And now gay married couples in CA will have the same recognition and securty for their families that all other families can enjoy.
That's all this is about.
it is a Carnal(Fleshly) sin it is a addiction like alcohol or Crack. There is no more a Hormone or Gene which cause's homosexuality then there is one for alcoholics.

It is a life style Choice

Rom 12:1 I therefore urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercies, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices that are holy and pleasing to God, for this is the reasonable way for you to worship.
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but continually be transformed by the renewing of your minds so that you may be able to determine what God's will is-what is proper, pleasing, and perfect.

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