US election verdict: now the presiden...

US election verdict: now the president must fulfil the promise of four years ago

There are 213 comments on the The Guardian story from Nov 7, 2012, titled US election verdict: now the president must fulfil the promise of four years ago. In it, The Guardian reports that:

US media see Barack Obama's re-election as an endorsement of his policies; or as the redoubling of hope over experience "President Obama's dramatic re-election victory was not a sign that a fractured nation had finally come together on election day," said the New York Times .

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American Suckers

Jackson Heights, NY

#212 Nov 10, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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Too much to bring you up to speed. Maybe you should start on the toddlers thread.
Well let's see...
Bush added 4.4 trillion dollars to the national debt in 8 years.
Obama added 6.1 trillion dollars to the national debt in 4years.
> Both grow the national debt like crazy... Obama just added more faster. <
Bush signed the Patriot Act.
Obama signed the Patriot Act and the NDAA.
> Both have little respect for personal freedoms. <
Bush opened GITMO that holds humans without due-process of law.
Obama lied about closing GITMO that holds humans without due-process. Obama has also killed US citizens abroad without due-process of law.
> Both have little respect for human rights <
Pdamerica

New York, NY

#213 Nov 10, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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While I agree with much of what you say here, I must point out that there is, and has been for a long time, a misconception that the U.S. IS, and was FOUNDED AS a "democracy". It wasn't and it isn't and I hope never will be. But you have bozos like President Wilson proclaiming that the U.S. is a democracy, when that simply isn't true. But the uneducated masses believe it. And kids are constantly taught in schol this nonesense (along with "Columbus discovered America !")
And as we are a federation of STATES, and the STATES DO have sovereignty, I SUPPORT the Electoral College (electors are specified in the U.S. Constitution but the term "Electoral College" is not) system of electing the POTUS, and am firmly opposed to a direct election of the POTUS where the POTUS is elected by whomever garners the most votes (whether a majority or a plurality) on a national basis.
Now, one thing states COULD do, to make the so-called "Electoral College" more representative of the actual popular vote totals, is that instead of using the current "winner-take-all" rule (Which 48 states have as state LAW), the states COULD choose to use the system used by both Maine and Nebraska where a state's electoral votes are assigned proportionately by congressional district. Each state would have to change their own laws to do that, but it would NOT require any changes in federal law, nor any changes to the U.S. Constitution. States are free to choose their electors in any way they see fit. And it is NOT required that any state hold a POTUS election at all.
In fact we do NOT have a "Presidential Election". We have 51 SEPARATE "Presidential Elections", and YES, there IS a difference !
And once again, as always, I have been Fair. And Balanced.
:)
My apologies for cutting some of your post too make room.

Hey Woof, I have to congratulate you on being one of the very few Republican/Conservatives with wisdom.

I am in agreement with much of this post.

You hit a grand slam home run IMO.

But you and I both know the whole system is corrupt and both Republicans and Democrats like it that way.

Fox News and MSNBC are both corporate hack talking air heads loyal to these two corrupt parties.

Most Republicans are conservative in name only.

Most Democrats are liberal in name only.

Obamacare is not a liberal health plan which would have provided Single Payer, Medicare For All.

Obamacare is more accurately Romneycare which was endorsed by Bob Dole and the Heritage Foundation back in the 1990s.

Obama/Clinton, Bush/Cheney John Kerry, McCain, et cetera are all corporate hacks loyal to Wall Street.

They have to divide and conquer our ignorant masses.

==

Revolving door for health care aides / 9/15/09 / http://tinyurl.com/q243zq
Some of the most influential aides in the closed-door Senate Finance Committee negotiations over health care reform have ties to interests that would be directly affected by the legislation.
Before she was hired last year as senior counsel to Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.), Liz Fowler worked as a highly paid public policy adviser for WellPoint Inc., the nation’s largest publicly traded health benefits company.
Mark Hayes, health policy director and chief health counsel for Finance Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), is married to a registered lobbyist for a firm that represents drug companies and hospital groups, although the couple says she doesn’t lobby Grassley’s office.
Frederick Isasi, a health policy adviser to Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), was a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, where his clients included public hospitals and the American Stroke Association.
Kate Spaziani, senior health policy aide to Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), was also a registered lobbyist at Powell Goldstein, although Conrad’s office says she worked as a lawyer — not as a lobbyist — for public hospitals on Medicare issues.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/271...
American Suckers

Jackson Heights, NY

#214 Nov 10, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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Too much to bring you up to speed. Maybe you should start on the toddlers thread.
Then there's this...

Bush started 2 wars with 2 countries for their natural resources (Iraq/Afghan.).
Obama started a war with Libya for it's natrual resources. Obama also expanded the Afghan war into Pakistan. Now Obama's having drones fly over Iran<==what a way to poke a country in the chest to start a fight.
> Both have started wars with other countries to make mega-companies money off that countries natrual resources. <
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Both haven't secured the country's borders and/or done anything about illegal immigration either way.
> Both show/ed no interest in securing the safty of the citizens of the US on it southern border.( Just look at Obama's/Holder's Fast and Furious Gun Scandle.) <

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#219 Nov 10, 2012
Spectacles wrote:
I feel sorry for Mitt Romey, but I feel more sorry for Americans who will not have a chance to have him as President. Obama is all style, no substance... Elected by people who don't know any better.
I agree.
At this point I just hope the Mayans were right...
August

Belleview, FL

#220 Nov 11, 2012
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text> Who really gives a shit that Bush didn't show up?.
Apparently you do, since you're the one who asked where he was. Poor Obama. Who's he going to blame now?
anonymous

Cincinnati, OH

#222 Nov 12, 2012
August wrote:
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Apparently you do, since you're the one who asked where he was. Poor Obama. Who's he going to blame now?
Uh... well... uh.... No, wait! Oh, I know! Obama!
anonymous

Cincinnati, OH

#223 Nov 12, 2012
Actually, he probably won't blame anybody, he will probably just censor the news... or the msm will do it for him.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#225 Nov 12, 2012
T4YOU 2 wrote:
<quoted text> Bush is no longer president Time for obama to start taking responsibility
ROFL ! Why should he when his "Bush's Fault" strategy has worked so well for him the past 4 years ?!
NoMoreUSA

Woodleaf, NC

#227 Nov 12, 2012
anonymous wrote:
And so... we continue to argue loudly and acrimoniously, fighting amongst ourselves, fixing nothing, as at first we slowly, then with increasing velocity circle the drain hole on our way down the tubes to oblivion....
That has already taken place. The "slowly" part started 4 years ago. The liberals are already in the sewer now, and while the former Country of the USA has been destroyed at least the shit has ended up where shit goes.

Hell, the ons that do have a way out are pulling out faster than I thought they would. Our Primary Care Physician shut down his practice and with it went 8 other Doctors, all the Nurses, and the assistants. I wonder what Country they will move to?

30 Companies announced mass layoffs 48 hours after the criminal was again illegally re-elected, and they too are drawing down their numbers so that they can pull out and setup ops in a Country where they can once again start to succeed and not just go totally bankrupt and fail like these liberals wanted. It's really pathetic, these fucking liberal scum demonized and vilified buisnesses and then they cry when there are no jobs. The patheic fuckers didn;t even realize where the jobs we're coming from or why they were leaving, because they are too god damned stupid to to have the first clue. I am glad these buisnesses are getting out, and will be able to survive this long enough to setup new operations in Countries that actually appreciate what they have given socierty. I'm also glad they are leaving the vile fuckers that ran them out jobless and pennyless. I'm very much enjoying watching them pay the price for their last fuckup.

The Market had another record crash the other day, and again, I'm very proud that investors gave the big "fuck you" to all the vile savages, and that they will get to enjoy watching their 401K's evaporate before their very eyes. Hell, the bastards robbed us blind and bankrupted the Country...now it's time for them to get to see firsthand what bankrupsy is all about when they file for personal bankruptsy in Court. They seem to like driving the workforce out of work and all the major companies by bankrupting them, so they should have a great time going bankrupt themselves.

Yes, they'll blame everybody and everything for their troubles even when they suck in their last dying breath, afterall, that's what got them the results they are now getting.

Most of the Doctors in this COuntry are leaving too, and there's gonna be a few of these liberals that will go out and contract a very contageous disease, and when they do, they'll go milling around looking for Doctors that are no longer there, infecting what's left of the liberal filth that got stuck there, and when a Pandemic breaks out there will no nobody there to help them. They will become sick on top of being pennyless, jobless and homeless, and the starvation they were worried about will become meaningless when they are too sick to care. It's Ironic that their very communist manifesto they tried to pass ofdf as a healthcare bill is gonna be the very thing that drove off all those Doctors that were helping them in the first place - Very ironic indeeed.

See? Before the World had a little bit of Care left in them, but now we all realize that these baatards are too god damned stupid, and too fucking evil to be allowed to exist, and we're no longer gonna save their worthless asses any longer. We have realized that we must go ahead and let them destroy themselves because they became a threat not just to the former country of the USA, they became a threat to the world. We need not take any action becasue the evil has destroyed itself from within, and we're just gonna stay out of the way and make sure that happens.
NoMoreUSA

Woodleaf, NC

#228 Nov 12, 2012
That has already taken place. The "slowly" part started 4 years ago. The liberals are already in the sewer now, and while the former Country of the USA has been destroyed at least the shit has ended up where shit goes.

Hell, the ons that do have a way out are pulling out faster than I thought they would. Our Primary Care Physician shut down his practice and with it went 8 other Doctors, all the Nurses, and the assistants. I wonder what Country they will move to?

30 Companies announced mass layoffs 48 hours after the criminal was again illegally re-elected, and they too are drawing down their numbers so that they can pull out and setup ops in a Country where they can once again start to succeed and not just go totally bankrupt and fail like these liberals wanted. It's really pathetic, these fucking liberal scum demonized and vilified buisnesses and then they cry when there are no jobs. The patheic fuckers didn;t even realize where the jobs we're coming from or why they were leaving, because they are too god damned stupid to to have the first clue. I am glad these buisnesses are getting out, and will be able to survive this long enough to setup new operations in Countries that actually appreciate what they have given socierty. I'm also glad they are leaving the vile fuckers that ran them out jobless and pennyless. I'm very much enjoying watching them pay the price for their last fuckup.

The Market had another record crash the other day, and again, I'm very proud that investors gave the big "fuck you" to all the vile savages, and that they will get to enjoy watching their 401K's evaporate before their very eyes. Hell, the bastards robbed us blind and bankrupted the Country...now it's time for them to get to see firsthand what bankrupsy is all about when they file for personal bankruptsy in Court. They seem to like driving the workforce out of work and all the major companies by bankrupting them, so they should have a great time going bankrupt themselves.

Yes, they'll blame everybody and everything for their troubles even when they suck in their last dying breath, afterall, that's what got them the results they are now getting.

Most of the Doctors in this COuntry are leaving too, and there's gonna be a few of these liberals that will go out and contract a very contageous disease, and when they do, they'll go milling around looking for Doctors that are no longer there, infecting what's left of the liberal filth that got stuck there, and when a Pandemic breaks out there will no nobody there to help them. They will become sick on top of being pennyless, jobless and homeless, and the starvation they were worried about will become meaningless when they are too sick to care. It's Ironic that their very communist manifesto they tried to pass ofdf as a healthcare bill is gonna be the very thing that drove off all those Doctors that were helping them in the first place - Very ironic indeeed.

See? Before the World had a little bit of Care left in them, but now we all realize that these baatards are too god damned stupid, and too fucking evil to be allowed to exist, and we're no longer gonna save their worthless asses any longer. We have realized that we must go ahead and let them destroy themselves because they became a threat not just to the former country of the USA, they became a threat to the world. We need not take any action becasue the evil has destroyed itself from within, and we're just gonna stay out of the way and make sure that happens.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#229 Nov 12, 2012
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IF ANYONE BELIEVES THE GOV'T WILL SECURE OUR BORDERS OR DEPORT CRIMINALS YOU'RE DELUSIONAL. LOOK AT HOW THEY CHECKED THE "DREAMERS." THEY GAVE THEM ALL AMNESTY!!

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#230 Nov 12, 2012
The Republsicum Bubble of Stupid continues.

Since: Jul 11

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#232 Mar 25, 2013
Obama is a joke wrote:
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The Dems like it when people have no jobs and have to depend on the government. It makes them feel important.
we like neo-kins to depend on our government

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