Whata s at Stake in Ordaining Mormon Women?

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#1 Apr 5, 2013
But then there is pesky St. Paul writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, "I do not allow a women to teach or exercise authority over men" and anchoring that, not in the custom of the times, but in God's creative word, the Law, and the fall into sin.

Just because some Mormons want women to be ordained or just because a group of "divines" in the Episcopal/Anglican church have decided that the Bible supports female priests and presiding bishops, does not make it so.

TEC interprets the passages about ordaining women the same way it interprets the passages on homosexuality. Their interpretation is the exact opposite of what the words say.

Look for more losses.

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#2 Apr 5, 2013
Listen to the Word wrote:
But then there is pesky St. Paul writing under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, "I do not allow a women to teach or exercise authority over men" and anchoring that, not in the custom of the times, but in God's creative word, the Law, and the fall into sin.
Just because some Mormons want women to be ordained or just because a group of "divines" in the Episcopal/Anglican church have decided that the Bible supports female priests and presiding bishops, does not make it so.
TEC interprets the passages about ordaining women the same way it interprets the passages on homosexuality. Their interpretation is the exact opposite of what the words say.
Look for more losses.
The only real losses in this message are evident in your diminishing number of brain cells.

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#3 Apr 6, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
The only real losses in this message are evident in your diminishing number of brain cells.
The writers in the below didn't seem to have a problem understanding the difference of what men did in the early church and what women weren't to be doing in church.
Seems like modern Christianity has once again made adjustments for the issue of "equality" that they wish to set forth as being more important than what the scriptures teach. Loved the part about women being homemakers, ain't that a bitter pill to be swallowed by modern Christianity...lol.

1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Titus 2:3-5

The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

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#4 Apr 6, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The writers in the below didn't seem to have a problem understanding the difference of what men did in the early church and what women weren't to be doing in church.
Seems like modern Christianity has once again made adjustments for the issue of "equality" that they wish to set forth as being more important than what the scriptures teach. Loved the part about women being homemakers, ain't that a bitter pill to be swallowed by modern Christianity...lol.
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:3-5
The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
No Surprise,

Yours is a misogynistic world.

Sorry you are choosing to live that way. Jesus chose to set the record on a different track.

Rev. Ken

“Good day to you!”

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Earth

#5 Apr 6, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
No Surprise,
Yours is a misogynistic world.
Sorry you are choosing to live that way. Jesus chose to set the record on a different track.
Rev. Ken
You don't even believe in the Bible as it was set together so you have no room to speak of it.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Titus 2:3-5

The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#6 Apr 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't even believe in the Bible as it was set together so you have no room to speak of it.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:3-5
The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
So much for your pro-Mormonism now.

And you choose to follow Saul over Jesus.

Even Moremans change their minds, see black members.

LOL....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#7 Apr 7, 2013
Joel 2

28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on ***all*** people.
Your sons and ***daughters*** will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and ****women****,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.

Acts 2

‘Adonai says:
“In the Last Days,
I will pour out from my Spirit upon ***everyone***.
Your sons and ****daughters**** will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.
18 Even on my slaves, both men and ***women***,
will I pour out from my Spirit in those days;
and they will prophesy.
19 I will perform miracles in the sky above
and signs on the earth below —
blood, fire and thick smoke.
20 The sun will become dark
and the moon blood
before the great and fearful Day of Adonai comes.
21 And then, whoever calls on the name of Adonai will be saved.”’

Apparently some people don't know Scripture....

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#8 Apr 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't even believe in the Bible as it was set together so you have no room to speak of it.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:3-5
The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Sorry, Bud.

I have every right and latitude to read and understand and comprehend and comment on any part of the bible that I choose. Nothing you say or want can prevent me from doing so or erode any authority that I have to do so. In fact, I am obliged by Jesus Himself to explore scripture to its reasonable limits and then beyond those limits and to properly place all that is myth and metaphor and allegory within a growing sense and understanding so that truth may be sifted out and established.

That is very much a part of my job and work as a priest and disciple of Christ Jesus. Whether man or woman, all who accept the obligations and responsibilities of this work are obliged to do this.

Because you desire to live in a mythical, theological world under the assumption that everything you have read in the bible is literally true and to be accepted and followed to the "T" is not any sort of problem that I choose to have.

The bible is a guidance of great value; more value than most can comprehend or of which good use can be made. Nevertheless, biblical scripture is limited in many ways, not the least of which are its cultural and temporal contexts.

Women are perfectly capable of serving in every sacerdotal capacity, if for no other reason than the fact that all human beings are, in essence, already bound to become everything that God has given for them to be.

The constraints that you insist upon having are the constraints that you wish to have for yourself. You are welcome to them. They do not apply to me or to my brethren and neither do they apply to our sisters in Christ.

Rev. Ken

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#9 Apr 7, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
So much for your pro-Mormonism now.
And you choose to follow Saul over Jesus.
Even Moremans change their minds, see black members.
LOL....
The NT is the NT. Most Christians except the entire thing as being from God. Most Christians have accepted that for the last 1000 years before the word Mormon existed.
I like to believe in the NT contrary to your erring opinion. And it's the NT that states the following, not I, not Mormons or any one else. So accept it or reject it.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Titus 2:3-5

The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#10 Apr 7, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
Apparently some people don't know Scripture....
Apparently some as you prove to be accept some scripture while rejecting other scripture. Either the Christian Bible contains the word of God or it doesn't, there isn't any middle ground as you proclaim there exists.

The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12

Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

Titus 2:3-5

The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#11 Apr 7, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Bud.
I have every right and latitude to read and understand and comprehend and comment on any part of the bible that I choose.
Rev. Ken
Oh you have proven well beyond any doubt that it's okay for you to slice and dice through this book called the Bible, believing in some, tearing down the rest and if someone believes otherwise, you'll let them know by your thinking, they are just so incorrect and wrong.
You're the persona of the individual that was driving out demons and teaching Jesus's message according to his interpretation but wasn't accepting of the real deal that was right there with him.

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#12 Apr 7, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh you have proven well beyond any doubt that it's okay for you to slice and dice through this book called the Bible, believing in some, tearing down the rest and if someone believes otherwise, you'll let them know by your thinking, they are just so incorrect and wrong.
You're the persona of the individual that was driving out demons and teaching Jesus's message according to his interpretation but wasn't accepting of the real deal that was right there with him.
Oh, That's funny, NS!

Here you are advocating the strict acceptance of the bible - but only as long as it agrees with your interpretations!

Killed any of your children lately for talking back?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#14 Apr 8, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
The NT is the NT. Most Christians except the entire thing as being from God. Most Christians have accepted that for the last 1000 years before the word Mormon existed.
I like to believe in the NT contrary to your erring opinion. And it's the NT that states the following, not I, not Mormons or any one else. So accept it or reject it.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:3-5
The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
Joel 3: 28-32

Acts 2: 17-21

I'll take prophecy over Saul's misogynistic outlook any day.

The Apostles worked with Jesus.*see Acts and the 4 Gospels

Joel is a prophet and Saul is a liar whom contradicts Jesus....

Poor you.

Tsk tsk....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#15 Apr 8, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently some as you prove to be accept some scripture while rejecting other scripture. Either the Christian Bible contains the word of God or it doesn't, there isn't any middle ground as you proclaim there exists.
The writers stated not I...
1 Timothy 2:11-12
Let a woman learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Titus 2:3-5
The older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things— that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
The book is much bigger than the love letters of Saul.

LOL.....

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Earth

#16 Apr 8, 2013
RevKen wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, That's funny, NS!
Here you are advocating the strict acceptance of the bible - but only as long as it agrees with your interpretations!
Killed any of your children lately for talking back?
Yeah and you're an idiot of information. I wasn't advocating anything. I was making a point of what the NT states that mainstream Christians like you find allowances to not believing as it was done.
You aren't any more of a Christian than the next person who speaks and thinks like you. You represent that guy that heard a guy called Jesus of Nazareth teach, took some of what he said and did and made his own religion of that information and thought of himself as a honest, righteous preacher of his own invention.
I have never given my interpretation of Jesus's message as you do. I haven't nor will I ever because it's not all there. So what is there I will discuss. But it's tough to discuss a message when so much is missing of that message.
In the meantime, I have stated and will state mainstream Christianity is a farce. A bunch of people have taken a 2000 year old message and claim it was meant as much for them as it was meant for those it was originally given to 2000 years ago.
In the meantime, people like you slice and dice it to bits declaring you have some supernatural power to know what's reliable and what isn't of what's contained in a book with a beginning and an ending. And if anyone else does as you do, you'll read them your riot act that only you can tear it apart, not them.
Fricking lunacy and you wear it like a proud badge.

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#17 Apr 8, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Joel 3: 28-32
Acts 2: 17-21
I'll take prophecy over Saul's misogynistic outlook any day.
The Apostles worked with Jesus.*see Acts and the 4 Gospels
Joel is a prophet and Saul is a liar whom contradicts Jesus....
Poor you.
Tsk tsk....
lol...now that's funny! Especially coming from a person that has some godly gift of who knows what power to decide 13 of 27 NT books are all lies?? lol...yeahhhhhalriightyyyy...l ol

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#18 Apr 8, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
The book is much bigger than the love letters of Saul.
LOL.....
Oh noooo, the NT book you believe in is pretty small as it contains about 14 books since your godly gift of interpretation has ruled out 13 supposedly written by Paul are all lies.
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
And sets forth an interesting thought. The apostles accepted Paul. You don't. That would have to mean since you believe Paul and all he wrote is a lie, the apostles fell to his deception that Jesus had sent him to them. And if Paul whom you call a liar deceived the apostles, that insinuates God wasn't with them when they decided to trust him as a disciple. And that insinuates God didn't influence the apostles as one would think by your reasoning since they were tricked by a man you call a liar.
Seems to me your reasoning has set forth nothing for you to trust in concerning the NT.

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The Mountain Empire

#19 Apr 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol...now that's funny! Especially coming from a person that has some godly gift of who knows what power to decide 13 of 27 NT books are all lies?? lol...yeahhhhhalriightyyyy...l ol
Just the ones from Saul whom is referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the Priest of Lies.

I help translate them and it's fascinating.

And you do what, again?

LOL....

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#20 Apr 10, 2013
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>
Just the ones from Saul whom is referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the Priest of Lies.
I help translate them and it's fascinating.
And you do what, again?
LOL....
I'm a research specialist of a couple decades. I specialize in family history. But I like to specialize in verifying statements of others and whether they're blowing smoke out their *ss to just have something stupid to say that sounds credible to them, or to see if what they say is actually credible and worth the time responding to.
Paul wasn't "specifically" referred to in the DSS. That comes from an opinion of a theory that ignores a lot of other evidence that leans to showing it wasn't speaking of Paul at all. I pulled the following from the web for you that validates your biased thinking, and you 'claim' to help translate the DSS?
http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/deadse...
"What seems even more unlikely is the theory of Robert Eisenman which is endorsed by Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh. According to Eisenman, the Teacher of Righteousness was James the brother of Jesus. The people of Qumran were not Essenes but Zealots, violent rebels, and James was their leader. The enemy they called the Liar was Paul the apostle, and the Wicked Priest was Ananias, the high priest of Jerusalem. After Ananias put James to death Judea revolted, the Romans responded by destroying Jerusalem, and Paul won out by inventing Christianity and turning Jesus into a God. In other far-out theories, the Teacher of Righteousness has been identified as Jesus. But the most interesting theory yet was published by an early Dead Sea scholar named John Allegro. In his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, Allegro contended that Jesus was not a historical person but an image invoked by the use of a hallucinogenic mushroom. I did read a short story based on that theory once, but I don't know of any scholar who has verified that thesis. The book was an embarrassment to the publisher."

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