Croatia same-sex vote: Croats strongl...

Croatia same-sex vote: Croats strongly vote against same-sex marriage in Croatia

There are 175 comments on the Examiner.com story from Dec 1, 2013, titled Croatia same-sex vote: Croats strongly vote against same-sex marriage in Croatia. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

Croatian lawmakers called for a Dec. 1 referendum on a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages in the predominantly Roman Catholic country.

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History4GangBang

Craiova, Romania

#87 Jun 15, 2014
BJ4me wrote:
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Vlad Tepes and Erzsebet Bathory were Hungarians
Vlad Tepes hungarian? Who told you that? lol
Dr Milan Sufflay

Eastwood, Australia

#88 Jun 16, 2014
History4GangBang wrote:
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Da, Erzebet-Hung., Elisabeta-Romanian etc :).
Vlad Tepes (Tzepesh)., hm,...of course , he is perceived as a hero, no doubt.
I don't have much tome right now to talk about him, sorry.
Perceived as by our Bulgarian Neighbors too, in those times.
Anyway, he had a very dramatic life, tragic and he had no real friends/allies (foreigners).
His cousin, Sthephan the Great, i think, he could be considered a friend, only, hehe. Vlad
, first of all, wanted revenge, to kill all those that killed his familly (father, brother), the Turks and , also, i think he did not like much the Hungarians.
But he had 2 Hungarian wives and the third was..i dont know..maybe slav. He , actually had many kids (bastards and much many women becuase the women liked him lol- he was strong as a bull, green, big eyes and some long, curly hair).So, we can say that some future Romanian rulers (i dont remember much) were half Hungarian.
He is born in Transilvania, but he was prince of Tara Romaneasca (Tzara = Terra)= Wallachia and we see him like that, not much Transilvanian (well, the people :P).
His grandfather was Mircea the Elder and Stephan the Great in Moldavia, his cousin -their moms were sisters (if i remember well).
They were great warriors, in his family..Now, not because they are Romanians, but they just really were. One of the best ever (Mircea, Stephan, Vlad..).These guys beated great Ottoman sultans; Vlad defeated the guy who took the Constantinopol.
His image was very bad in west and very good in the Balcans hehe.. there are some slavonic tales - Vlad is described as a man who hated the thefts../.blabla...The italians describe him as a great warrior..eheheh blabla :)
It seems the third wife killed herself when she was in captivity, in Istanbul or ...maybe just a legend.
It's always good to get a perspective view of a country's famous historical figure from another person of the same country century's later

Since: Dec 12

Rockdale, Australia

#89 Jun 16, 2014
History4GangBang wrote:
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Vlad Tepes hungarian? Who told you that? lol
Nobody told me, it is in encyclopaedia.Transylvania was in Hungary till 1918 and Romania did not exist until 1862 when principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia united.
Vlad Tepes
Reign 1448; 1456–1462; 1476
Born November or December 1431[1]
Birthplace Sighi&#537;oara, Transylvania, Kingdom of Hungary (now Romania)
Died December 1476 or January 1477, exact date unknown (aged 45)
Place of death Bucharest, Wallachia
Wives unnamed Transylvanian noblewoman
Ilona Szilágyi
Issue Mihnea cel R&#259;u
Royal House House of Dr&#259;cule&#537;ti (branch of the House of Basarab)
Father Vlad II Dracul
Mother Cneajna of Moldavia (presumed)
Magyar 101

Europe

#90 Jun 16, 2014
BJ4me.
Are you a gay?
Same sex relationships are disgusting!

Since: Dec 12

Rockdale, Australia

#91 Jun 16, 2014
Magyar 101 wrote:
BJ4me.
Are you a gay?
Same sex relationships are disgusting!
what on earth made you ask such a silly question?? Read my comments in this forum and answer should be self evident.Nevertheless, I do believe in freedom of choice.( You can be gay, that is your right but don't hit on me because I am not )OK??
Constantin

Craiova, Romania

#92 Jun 16, 2014
BJ4me wrote:
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Nobody told me, it is in encyclopaedia.Transylvania was in Hungary till 1918 and Romania did not exist until 1862 when principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia united.
Vlad Tepes
Reign 1448; 1456–1462; 1476
Born November or December 1431[1]
Birthplace Sighi&#537;oara, Transylvania, Kingdom of Hungary (now Romania)
Died December 1476 or January 1477, exact date unknown (aged 45)
Place of death Bucharest, Wallachia
Wives unnamed Transylvanian noblewoman
Ilona Szilágyi
Issue Mihnea cel R&#259;u
Royal House House of Dr&#259;cule&#537;ti (branch of the House of Basarab)
Father Vlad II Dracul
Mother Cneajna of Moldavia (presumed)
Are you serious with your posts? Because they are full of ineptitudes and i don't say it's your fault, but some crazy ”source”.
Take a history book, find some serious site to get informations.
If we would fallow your informations then the Croatians would not exist, because they are Hrvati, or the Germans, because they are Deutsch (or Hrvtska doesnt exist, only Croatia or Yugoslavians only etc).
Anyway, i inform you that Wallachia was always, actually, Tara Romaneasca (= Terra Ro ) and Vlad its prince. Wallachia is the German name for Romania/latin speaking countries.
You should , also, know that the medieval states did not function like our modern states and the peoples did not care about the national thing, different noblemen possessed land in different countries, in the same time and many Romanian princes had lands in Transilvania, the royal families were mixed, so nobody was a pure Hungarian, pure Romanian prince, pure French king etc.
Sorry, but i don't have time to explain everything.
Oh, my! LOL

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Since: Sep 13

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#93 Jun 16, 2014
MATKO JURIC wrote:
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187 dude :)
Oh my bad kompa I wasn't trying to spread lies lol I thought I recalled a conversation where you told me that.

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Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#94 Jun 16, 2014
Constantin wrote:
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You, also, don't get it.
A bunch of men, talking about their bodies, comparing their height, weight etc on this thread (homosexuality)...? it doesn't turn on the light bulb in your head?
At least try not to look so pretty :D (or offended).
Tz , tz, Handsome, sensitive guys :))
It's only sexual if you infer it that way. We all talked of height (in relation to ethnic traits of our people), no one here except you brought up "penises". Seems to be more of a fixation for you then us is all.

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Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#96 Jul 3, 2014
David wrote:
I was actually thinking of doing my graduate studies in Croatia, but with the outcome of this referendum, I think I'll have to revise my plans. It's really a shame too because they were making so much steady progress, but this shows that the large majority of Croats still have a backwards, recalcitrant, and reactionary attitude to civil rights. I don't think I could deal with 4+ years of that. Hopefully future generations will take up the mantle for a more tolerant and progressive society, sooner rather than later.
I'm sorry, were you coming to Croatia to study or get married? Why would such a trivial referendum prevent you from completing your studies there?

The fact of the matter is that the referendum drew such a low turnout and you ended up with only the two extremes voting Religious peoples vs gays and their supporters, no middle ground, thus not representative of the population as a whole. To the Croatian people gays and gay marriage are boring, trivial issues, the vast majority don't care what you do with your life as long as you don't rub it in their faces. And anyhow, the government is implementing same-sex unions for gay couples to supplement. How is Croatia backwards? Does the whole of the USA allow gay marriage? The USA being apparently more advanced and open has only JUST allowed gay marriage in a handful of states, while almost the entire southern states have constitutionally banned gay marriage too, Britain and France have only JUST allowed gay marriage too and other 'western' countries like Germany, Switzerland and Finland also don't allow gay marriage. As I've said, most people don't care who you go to bed with at night , and if being able to get married is mutually exclusive to you studying, looks like you're just going to have to stay in California.

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Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#97 Jul 3, 2014
Dr Milan Sufflay wrote:
Homosexuals need to be shipped out of the Balkans & given a one way ticket to ex leper colony islands or you can re open Goli Otok & send them there, that way we can have zero gay parades & more military parades instead, the way it is intended under True Socialism . If any straight person disagrees they can also be sent off with them
Oooh,that's a bit harsh Milan, lol. Maybe its a generational thing but I don't quite agree with that approach. Thing is I don't mind gay people or gay marriage, owing to the fact I'm not really religious and I don't tend to hate or judge over people over stuff like that. The one thing I don't agree with is the parades, I think your sexuality is your own discretion and it shouldn't be forced down peoples throats and people should have the right to say if they are against it (within reason), that way democracy and freedom goes both ways.

The way I see it, does two people being gay and getting married effect or bother my life? No, I just leave them to it, its their life after all.

“Make burek, not war”

Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#98 Jul 3, 2014
pocahontas wrote:
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The ironic thing is, until recently, the leaders of the LGBT in Croatia who show so much angst against catholic Croatia were carrying the Yugo flag and pictures of Tito during their parades when, as you mention, it's well known what attitude both had towards them.
The thing is though that the Catholic church had no right to force the government to meddle with the constitution, I believe the actual constitution states that the government isn't dictated by religious ideals. Thus again showing the thin line separating the power of the church and the actual government at hand. In my opinion, religion and government should never mix.

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Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#99 Jul 3, 2014
Mr Cro Pockets wrote:
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No, 8 cm is not that significant of a difference BJ you make it out like you are a short fellow. If I remember correctly Matko Juric and Jooosh on here are also in the 188/189 cm range. You are completely accurate when you say that we are a tall people, I believe out of the entire world's average population compared among nationalities Croats and Serbs are in the top 10 easily, right after Sweden and Norway I believe so maybe even top 5.
Yeah, I'm about 6 ft, 2", but I mostly wear high top trainers and have my hair spiked, which makes me look even taller :) Haha, sometimes I swear being tall is a curse, lost track of how many times I've walked into chandeliers or had to duck under low door entrances, nightmare :D Gives me an advantage though when I'm playing basketball with the lads, the midgets can't tough me, lol :))

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Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#100 Jul 3, 2014
*Can't touch me....
PROUD TO BE SERB

Woodside, Australia

#101 Jul 3, 2014
Croatien Man love? Man to Man . Lol.
Croaria ( ustasha ) all ready merry with
NATO & American MAN.
They all so love Italian man. German Man & black Man. Lol.
pocahontas

Etobicoke, Canada

#102 Jul 4, 2014
Jooosh04 wrote:
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The thing is though that the Catholic church had no right to force the government to meddle with the constitution, I believe the actual constitution states that the government isn't dictated by religious ideals. Thus again showing the thin line separating the power of the church and the actual government at hand. In my opinion, religion and government should never mix.
As far as I know, it was the group U ime obitelji that used the political avenue open to them called a referendum to ask the Croatian populace if they wanted this definition of marriage entrenched into the constitution and the church, I'm sure, wasn't opposed. This whole thing came about because certain ministers in the Croatian government (after being elected) made claims that they were going to legalize same sex marriage. Croatia is a catholic country and Croats are that even if they don't sit in a church pew every Sunday. The only thing this government was forced to do was to listen to the people and follow the law.
Dado

Rozelle, Australia

#103 Jul 8, 2014
Jooosh04 wrote:
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The thing is though that the Catholic church had no right to force the government to meddle with the constitution, I believe the actual constitution states that the government isn't dictated by religious ideals. Thus again showing the thin line separating the power of the church and the actual government at hand. In my opinion, religion and government should never mix.
well said, we will never move forward as a nation until we seperate church from state.
this is the essence of democracy & civil rights.
Dado

Rozelle, Australia

#104 Jul 8, 2014
pocahontas wrote:
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As far as I know, it was the group U ime obitelji that used the political avenue open to them called a referendum to ask the Croatian populace if they wanted this definition of marriage entrenched into the constitution and the church, I'm sure, wasn't opposed. This whole thing came about because certain ministers in the Croatian government (after being elected) made claims that they were going to legalize same sex marriage. Croatia is a catholic country and Croats are that even if they don't sit in a church pew every Sunday. The only thing this government was forced to do was to listen to the people and follow the law.
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don't want to burst your catholic bubble, but we are Croatians. Full stop. whether we are catholic jewish seventh day adventist or even buddist is a personal choice Not our national identity. That ideology is more akin to our fundametalist orthodox neighbours not us.
Please join the est of us in our democratic free Croatia, where we have freedom of speech & religion. before you ask i'm agnostic and actually believe in a higher or supreme being, i just don't think he/she wants the materialistic division that religious zealots are so desperate to promote

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Since: Oct 13

Costa del Coventry

#106 Jul 8, 2014
Dado wrote:
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well said, we will never move forward as a nation until we seperate church from state.
this is the essence of democracy & civil rights.
Well, see democracy is a paradox like that, because a democracy in theory should also protect religious rights/beliefs. That said, religion shouldn't be shoved down peoples throats if they don't believe in it. Democracy is a slippery slope like that, but overall, I stand by what I said about religion and government not mixing.

Since: Dec 12

Dulwich Hill, Australia

#107 Jul 8, 2014
Dado wrote:
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well said, we will never move forward as a nation until we seperate church from state.
this is the essence of democracy & civil rights.
According to Croatian constitution there is a separation between State and Government but referendum is a voice of people and majority said no to gay marriage.Homosexuality is NOT illegal in Croatia and every citizen ( irrespective of sexual orientation ) already has guaranteed civil rights.

Since: Dec 12

Dulwich Hill, Australia

#108 Jul 8, 2014
Correction : government to be Church

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