HI Gov Gives Gay Marriage Bill To Lawmakers

Aug 29, 2013 Full story: EDGE 1,122

Gov. Neil Abercrombie on Wednesday presented state lawmakers with a draft of legislation that would legalize gay marriage in Hawaii.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#661 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Everyone is born hetero....you people choose to be homosexual because you suffer from an untreated mental disorder. The APA should add homosexuality back onto the DSM so you all can get the help that you so desperately need.
sure pal, sure...

every single study done shows different...

but whatever you have to tell yourself to back up your prejudice and fear...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#662 Sep 7, 2013
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ wrote:
<quoted text>The jury is still out, but homosexuality appears to be inborn. I guess the rest just get sucked into it.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02...
so you could have been 'sucked into' being gay? really? i know i could not have been.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#663 Sep 7, 2013
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ wrote:
<quoted text>Can you show that word for word? My arguments against gay marriage are not related to racial motivation.
I never said it was related to racial motivation; I said the arguments used were the same.

"Goes against tradition"
"Goes against god"
"Will harm the children"
"The majority oppose these marriages"

Same arguments used today against marriage for same-sex couples also used in the past to oppose marriage for inter-racial couples.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#664 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Inter-racial marriage has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage. Nothing whatsoever...
Stop trying to piggyback your cause onto the slavery/African American struggle, exploit their life sufferings just to muster support and sympathy for your selfish, evil gay agenda.
Except of course that it does.

Bigots opposed inter-racial couples marrying.
Bigots oppose same-sex couples marrying.

That's all the similarity there needs to be to show they are related.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#665 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not the same argument...African Americans were born black whereas homosexuality is a choice, a poor choice the individual makes because he suffers from an untreated mental disorder.
Arguments used against inter-racial marriage:

Goes against tradition.
The majority oppose it.
Goes against god.
Will harm the children.

Exact same arguments used against same-sex couples marrying.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#666 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. Everyone is born hetero....you people choose to be homosexual because you suffer from an untreated mental disorder. The APA should add homosexuality back onto the DSM so you all can get the help that you so desperately need.
Prove everyone is born heterosexual.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#668 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
Look at the bright side you may not be able to marry but at least you can file a SSI mental disability claim and start receiving benefits until youre cured.
Except of course we CAN marry in 13 states with more to come.

And now the federal govt recognizes our legal marriages as well.

We'll have all 50 states by the end of the decade at the latest.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#669 Sep 7, 2013
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ wrote:
<quoted text>This is wrong. Homosexuals are born that way. However, there the comparisons between interracial and gay marriage end.
Homosexuals make much of the hatred they face for being different, yet they promote their lifestyle through flamboyant parades and in-your-face politics that purposely provoke their perceived enemies by seeking to degrade religion primarily, and secondarily, the cultural institutions that they see as oppressive to their sexual proclivities.
Blacks during the Civil Rights era were also militant, but their goal was be accepted into the very establishment they criticized as brothers and sisters. There was never an anarchistic subtext that sought to destroy the establishment or their oppressors.
The LGBT Movement appears to be holding hands with Atheists who see Christianity as an enemy to be destroyed.
It's a subtle but palpable difference, and fundamentally, this is why the LGBT effort is NOT in fact aligned with the Civil Rights movement of the 1960s.
With that said, those who quote Scripture as a justification for disallowing gay marriage are forgetting that the institution of marriage is now more of a secular and social contract than a bond in the eyes of God.
I have no issue with providing avenues for gays to be joined by contract in a legal sense, with all the privileges and obligations that entails, but attacking the institution of marriage in the "Holy Matrimony" sense is actually what is happening. For that, I totally understand why there is so much vitriol against LGBTs in the context of this issue.
And our goal is to be accepted into the very establishment (marriage) which we criticized for excluding us.

No same-sex couple is seeking to destroy marriage; heteros have done a pretty good job of that all on their own.
Rose Feratu

Hoboken, NJ

#670 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
Homosexuality is an untreated out of control mental disorder that poisons the mind and body of anyone who is afflicted by it.
Seek help NOW!!
Gee.... the psychiatrists say it's YOU that needs help.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#672 Sep 7, 2013
Joe Balls wrote:
There us NO-ONE more bigoted than a white American liberal. He hates his own race more than any other.
Oxymoron
noun, plural ox·y·mo·ra [ok-si-mawr-uh,-mohr-uh] Show IPA , ox·y·mor·ons. Rhetoric .
a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect, as in “cruel kindness” or “to make haste slowly.”

That last sentance....you mean we are supposed to hate only the other race(s)?
You seem to be saying you must choose one to hate.
If you hate any race you are a bigot.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#673 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
And our goal is to be accepted into the very establishment (marriage) which we criticized for excluding us.
No same-sex couple is seeking to destroy marriage; heteros have done a pretty good job of that all on their own.
Claiming to be defending marriage is the grossest absurdity I have ever heard.
You want your marriage to be set above those other 'unions' that you find repellent.
Get it blessed in the church of your choice. The advocates of equality will leave ' Christian' marriage alone.
We are talking only of civil recognition of all marriages being equal before the law...what god may think of them is out of our hands.
BornGay Superhuman

Alpharetta, GA

#674 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
Homosexuality is an untreated out of control mental disorder that poisons the mind and body of anyone who is afflicted by it.
Seek help NOW!!
No
BornGay Superhuman

Alpharetta, GA

#675 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Inter-racial marriage has absolutely nothing to do with gay marriage. Nothing whatsoever...
Stop trying to piggyback your cause onto the slavery/African American struggle, exploit their life sufferings just to muster support and sympathy for your selfish, evil gay agenda.
No
BornGay Superhuman

Alpharetta, GA

#676 Sep 7, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not the same argument...African Americans were born black whereas homosexuality is a choice, a poor choice the individual makes because he suffers from an untreated mental disorder.
When did you 'choose' YOUR sexual orientation?
BornGay Superhuman

Alpharetta, GA

#677 Sep 7, 2013
MAD DOG BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>Fact is, people are not born homosexual. It is a developmental behavioral disorder and you saying they are born gay is nonscientific and a lie. If you need to lie and claim that people are born gay, in order to see them as human, then that is part of the problem. The fact is, there are a number of developmental disorders, such as shyness, compulsive obsessive disorders and homosexuality. If people who have made an unconscious choice want to compare themselves to Jews in the Holocaust then that is not is PC, and will get them major wrath. However, by making a comparison with blacks, these people prove racism and that they see blacks as a throw away group.
You're barking up the wrong tree; fido
.
Gay guys are born with the same sexual orientation your mother was born with; attracted to men
.
If it wasn't for your mother's 'developmental behavior disorder; you would not exist?
.
Wag your tail for "yes"

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#678 Sep 7, 2013
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ wrote:
<quoted text>I guess the rest just get sucked into it.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02...
LOLOLOL, GOOD ONE!
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ

Kailua Kona, HI

#680 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
And our goal is to be accepted into the very establishment (marriage) which we criticized for excluding us.
No same-sex couple is seeking to destroy marriage; heteros have done a pretty good job of that all on their own.
But you are not in fact excluded if states already had domestic partnership laws. Hawaii does.
What you seek is to redefine an emotionally based institution started by religious people, thus threatening their sensibilities. For right or wrong, that's why things like DOMA arise.
How is gay marriage different from domestic partnerships of convenience or involving multiple partners who "love" each other? Gay marriage is perceived as a slippery slope. How do you address those opinions? In a civil discourse, everyones' reasoned opinion counts, regardless of whether you agree or disagree.
Scottsdale AZ PhoenixAZZ

Kailua Kona, HI

#681 Sep 7, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Arguments used against inter-racial marriage:
Goes against tradition.
The majority oppose it.
Goes against god.
Will harm the children.
Exact same arguments used against same-sex couples marrying.
Those are not the only arguments. There is also:
Would redefine the structure of a fundamental social institution (interracial marriage would not have, but abolition of slavery did--this would be a point in your favor, so go with it)

Goes against the role of procreation and nuclear family as a societal unit (Yet we let old people beyond their fertile years marry out of the romantic notion of love, and half of all marriages end in divorce anyway--still, the logical conclusion if gays are let marry then would be to abandon marriage as a social institution entirely, which in the minds of DOMA supporters is what gay marriage will lead to)

Is an extension of existing rights. Just as a handicapped person can be given relatively equal access to certain facilities and sites, the access (for example to a state maintained hiking trail) will never be "the same." So too will access to "marriage" not be exactly the same if certain elements of it are impractical. Will people play the gay married couple card to gain work-related benefits, etc.? Will gays someday demand to be married in Christian churches by ordained priests? Will there be lawsuits? I think it will happen. The point here is that existing domestic partnerships are the equivalent of the handicapped ramp. What more do LGBTs want?
Imposter Alert

Honolulu, HI

#682 Sep 7, 2013
These posts are not worthy of topix.

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#683 Sep 8, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>sure pal, sure...
every single study done shows different...
but whatever you have to tell yourself to back up your prejudice and fear...
Credible link?

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