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Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17552 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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Max

Montréal, Canada

#12659 Nov 6, 2013
If black people were treated like shyt they would unite along with all other minorities, including gay people. If they don't want gay people to marry, then obviously they think like the white republicans ; they think they own the land and that they are superior.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12660 Nov 6, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Um, a lot of adults attending high school in your trailer park Barry? That would explain a lot.
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Most universities already have non-discrimination policies covering this in place. This is 2013 Barry.
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Um, no one has mentioned transvestites Barry. Why are you bringing them up? Another prime example of how uneducated you are on anything being discussed here.
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Well, let's see....who's expressing a problem with the new law? LOL!!!
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Calling something a problem without establishing the cause/effect negative results doesn't make something a problem.
Go peddle your "sky is falling" routine to your fellow sheeple. No one else is buying it.
um, i own the trailer park. just kidding but i do rent out a trailer.
i'll go back to what i said. you were making an argument about children. i was pointing out that high schoolers are not children. Bo Jackson was 19 when he played football and baseball and ran track while in hs. there is not a single hs girl who could have survived a collision with him.
and no, no university has a policy that prevents complete sexual discrimination in sports. a boy can not ´play on the girl's volleyball team. a boy can not run on the girl's track team.

'Girls were more likely to miss > 3 weeks of sports activity (as opposed to <1 week for boys) and were twice as likely to require surgery. Girls were also found to be twice as likely to incur major knee injuries as a result of non-contact mechanisms, often involving landing, jumping or pivoting.'
http://www.virtualmedicalcentre.com/news/stud...

http://www.bidmc.org/YourHealth/HealthNotes/B...

so let's just let the boys compete against the women.

you have a man's moniker but you are not much of a gentleman when it comes to protecting the young ladies.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12661 Nov 6, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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It would appear from his posts that the following are happening at abandon in his trailer park:
* Straight men marrying straight men for tax credits!
* People have their gender identity directly linked to their sexual orientation!
* Transgendered and transvestites are the same thing!
* Girls that are into sports are extremely dainty!
* Boys pretend to be transgendered so they can shower with girls
I also imagine there's a lot of banjo playing.
creative
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12662 Nov 6, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Only because you've failed to establish one. All you repeatedly do is demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing about homosexuality. Absolutely nothing. And because you know nothing about homosexuality, you present feeble arguments based upon the nonsense you have created in your own mind about what you think homosexuality is. Since your starting point is invalid, everything you state based upon that starting point is stupid.
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The rest of society knows (the correct spelling of the word btw) one is a homosexual when they do any of the following:
* state they are gay
* display pictures of their wedding somewhere in plain sight
* state that they think another person of the same gender is "hot" or "cute".
* Hold hands with the person they are dating.
* Have a gay bumper sticker.
* asking an HR director about domestic partner benefits, or signing up one's same gender spouse on an insurance form
Some other examples, but not always a clear indicator...
* play on a gay sports league
* wear gay supportive t shirt
* have drinks at a gay bar
* have a membership in a gay supportive organization
* attend a gay pride festival
There are many, many straight people that do all the things from the second list, but it would at least be a starting point for questioning it.
Your post seems to indicate that its very important that straight people be able to recognize gay people. It isn't. Your recognition is irrelevant. But don't let that stop you from trying to make it into an issue.
Are there any other ridiculously stupid questions we can clear up for you?
so if someone says they're a homosexual that settles it. and if someone says that their gender identity is confused that they really are a man in a women's body that settles it. we as a society must accept it.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12663 Nov 6, 2013
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He already IS something, that you want to pretend he isn't, based solely on physical indicators that you have established as a benchmark of something that they are not a benchmark for.
Gender is established by the brain moron, not the genitals. Perhaps if you invested in some research and scientific information culled post 1950 you would know this.
But please, don't let facts get in the way of your continued delight in publically demonstrating how ridiculously uneducated you are on the matters being discussed.
Morons like you that peacock their ignorance are a HOOT!
brains can be trained if one has any. bodies have to be changed. scientific information changes all the time.

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#12664 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>medical protocol changes by the day so what is the fact of the day today?
Not every medical protocol, no. If you want to know the current medical protocol, I suggest you research it. That might help fill in some of the obvious gaps in your knowledge of transgender issues. It's admittedly a complex and difficult subject matter for most people, gays included.
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if the brain does not match the body is it a physical problem or a mental problem or is it even a problem at all?
It depends on the individual and how much incongruence between their gender identity and physical sex characteristics they can tolerate. A possible outcome if the person meets the criteria after medical and psychological evaluation is sex reassignment surgery where the physical sex characteristics are altered to match the gender identity.
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what do we choose to adjust and why adjust it at all?
sounds like confusion to me but don't let logical questions get in your way.
It's simply ignorance on your part. And ignorance in this context simply means a lack of knowledge. The thread topic isn;t transgender issues and it's far from a simply discussion to have and I don't claim to be an expert by any means. I'd suggest if your wish to know more about transgender issues, you do some research.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12665 Nov 6, 2013
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And marriages are now "anti Christian" activity? Guess so since they are now denying any. Who knew that weddings were "anti Christian" activity? Thanks for letting us know dolt.
obviously some can be. glad to be of a help.
but i did notice that you avoided the question.
the claim was that they rented it out for non Christian activities. so i could have asked for you to show what non christian activities it was rented for. that would have been interesting but instead i asked for something more clear when i said i'll bet that they never rented it out for any anti Christian activities.
your silence confirms my assumption.
barry

Pisgah, AL

#12666 Nov 6, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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No Barry, the free market should NOT be allowed to determine this. If the free market was in control, you would still have white only businesses in your trailer park. The free market doesn't get to override the protection of equality established by our Constitution and Bill of Rights. And religious nutjobs don't get to refuse service to individuals that they deem unworthy.
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LOL!! Cling to that Barry. Cling to that while you can!! Just like you people clung to the fact that only ONE state allowed gays to marry!! Just like you people clung to the fact that states had never allowed gays to marry by public vote!!!! Cling desperately to all the things that are being overturned on an increasing basis!!!!! You fundies love to cling to desperation!!!
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Or it could be that perhaps dung falls from the sky during full moons. I love it when you fundies make up these ridiculous scenarios in the hope of pretending you aren't bigots!!! Too funny!!
does anybody really think that a 'whites only' trailer park would stay in business very long? yes the free market would take care of it.
and you keep trying to sday that this florist deemed them unworthy when in reality she only wanted to guard her religious freedom and not be forced to be associated in any way with something that she held as morally wrong.
btw us people? i have never clung to anything. go ahead and get 'married' have at it. just don't drag me into it.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#12667 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so if someone says they're a homosexual that settles it. and if someone says that their gender identity is confused that they really are a man in a women's body that settles it. we as a society must accept it.
Well what? Do you want to personally fuck everybody to find out for yourself whether they are gay or not? Are we supposed to take your at your word that you're straight?

If a doctor tells you that you have cancer, does that settle it? Do we as a society have to accept it? Or,should we as a society empathize with your struggle and offer help?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#12668 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>does anybody really think that a 'whites only' trailer park would stay in business very long? yes the free market would take care of it.
and you keep trying to sday that this florist deemed them unworthy when in reality she only wanted to guard her religious freedom and not be forced to be associated in any way with something that she held as morally wrong.
btw us people? i have never clung to anything. go ahead and get 'married' have at it. just don't drag me into it.
If she thinks breaking the law is guarding her religious freedom, then fine. But the Court isn't going to buy it. Same rules for everybody doing business with the public. You don't like the rules, don't play. Religious freedom does not give you the right to discriminate.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#12669 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>obviously some can be. glad to be of a help.
but i did notice that you avoided the question.
the claim was that they rented it out for non Christian activities. so i could have asked for you to show what non christian activities it was rented for. that would have been interesting but instead i asked for something more clear when i said i'll bet that they never rented it out for any anti Christian activities.
your silence confirms my assumption.
Gee.... what, pray tell, are anti-Christian activities?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12670 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>does anybody really think that a 'whites only' trailer park would stay in business very long?
Obviously, it depends on location. But generally speaking, I would say yes: Most markets would accommodate a white-only trailer park, except for the fact that it would be illegal to have a white-only policy.

Public policy in the form of duly enacted laws fixes the problems that the free market allowed.

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#12671 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so if someone says they're a homosexual that settles it. and if someone says that their gender identity is confused that they really are a man in a women's body that settles it. we as a society must accept it.
If you introduce your wife to someone and they ask "are you heterosexual or bisexual?" )since a man married to a woman typically is one or the other sexual orientation), do you expect to person to accept the answer you give? If they demand proof, would you acquiesce and provide them proof? If so, what proof would you provide? Being attracted to women doesn't prove it. How would you prove you aren't attracted to men if being taken at your word isn't sufficient?

“From a distance...”

Since: Apr 08

Planet Earth

#12672 Nov 6, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>does anybody really think that a 'whites only' trailer park would stay in business very long? yes the free market would take care of it.
and you keep trying to sday that this florist deemed them unworthy when in reality she only wanted to guard her religious freedom and not be forced to be associated in any way with something that she held as morally wrong.
btw us people? i have never clung to anything. go ahead and get 'married' have at it. just don't drag me into it.
I'd love to understand the mental and religious gymnastics necessary to claim a same sex wedding is morally wrong but two men in a relationship that are obviously homosexual isn't from the standpoint one would sell flowers in the latter case but not the former.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

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#12674 Nov 6, 2013
lides wrote:
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I still see that you can't indicate a state interest served by denying same sex couples the right to marry that would render such a restriction constitutional.
What state interest is served by treating the individual parties to a "same sex couple", any different from other individual men, or women?
Say Pietro, can infertile heterosexual couples marry in every state in the union? If so, your arguments of procreation don't pass muster.
Say Liddie, can infertile OPPOSITE SEX couples marry in every state in the union? If so hen your precious modern political sexual identity labels are irrelevant, and marriage is still about the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife.

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#12675 Nov 6, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Well what? Do you want to personally fuck everybody to find out for yourself whether they are gay or not? Are we supposed to take your at your word that you're straight?
We'll leave that to you. Barry raises a valid point, same sex sexual attraction/"orientation " relies on the declaration of the individual.
If a doctor tells you that you have cancer, does that settle it? Do we as a society have to accept it? Or,should we as a society empathize with your struggle and offer help?
Poor analogy. By the point the doctor has informed the patient s/he has cancer, the patient would have undergone various medical tests. Evidence of the cancer.

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#12676 Nov 6, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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It's no more difficult for a bisexually oriented person to settle down with a single mate than it is for anyone else. You and Brian seem to have the terms "bisexual" and "insatiable" confused.
Not at all, but you failed to answer the actually question. If some one with a self professed same sex attraction is legally allowed to marry someone of the same sex, someone attracted to the opposite sex is allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex, then it stands to reason someone attracted to both sexes should be allowed to legally marry one person of each sex, IF THEY SO CHOOSE.

So are you I favor of allowing your bisexual brothers and sisters that option?

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#12677 Nov 6, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
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That societies do allow these marriages to occur shows that your any links between marriage and procreation are not as important as you try to make it. If a society allows so couples to marry absent procreation why not these other (same-sex) couples over here?
Human societies throughout human history have understood the obvious, sex between men and women makes babies. Marriage developed as a means of dealing with the by products of the male female sexual union, children. Same sex unions produce nothing of interest for society at large. If it did, SSM would have existed cross time, cross culture and sustained itself over the long haul. Also allowing inferior opposite sex couple to marry reinforced the societal norm that marriage is a male female union.
If the right to marry rests solely with the individual regardless of who they wish to marry, then there could be no ban on same-sex couples marrying.
The flaw is in "who they wish to marry". The state does place restrictions on who may marry, and also defines, legally marriage in the first place.
Because to deny same-sex couples marrying, you would need to view them as a couple, not as individuals with the right to marry.
Not at all. Individual parties to a same sex couple, are still men and women. Equality dictates they should be treated equal to any other man or woman in regards to marriage. To argue other wise is to advocate for unequal treatment. Also there is no couple's right.
Why don't send away for the minutes of the Illinois legislature's debate. You'll probably find that the concept of conjugality never came up.
Did the issue of monogamy come up?

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#12678 Nov 6, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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BUT you DIDN'T read what I wrote......I AM NOT HINDERING THEIR FIGHT......I have NEVER voted to add an Amendment to STOP anyone from marrying.....so, kindly read MY comment......thanks!!!
No one voted to stop anyone from marrying, people voted to constitutionally define marriage for their particular state, a definition that existed long before "homosexual", "heterosexual", "gay", and "lesbian" we're introduced.
Sorry, Polygamy IS NOT the same issue as what Gays and Lesbians are fighting for.......we want to be INCLUDED in the right to marry 1 other consenting adult of our choosing......polygamist WANT to marry MORE than just 1 other consenting adult of their choosing!!!
YOU ARE ALREADY INCLUDED.....always have been. The fact that you don't want to does not change that fact!!!! You want the state to reject conjugality, husband AND wife. Polygamists want the state to reject monogamy. You both want the state to fundamentally alter the definition of marriage as it's been understood, a union of ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN as husband AND wife.
ONLY you keep using the word "CONJUGAL" as if it is something meaningful and special......when in reality it's NOT...
It refers to husband AND wife, opposite sex. So yes, it is special and meaningful. It's the conjugal union that produced you and I. Special it is.
...again, I have NOT seen, read or actually heard of ANY polygamist fighting to either decriminalize bigamy/polygamy or fighting to have a right to marry multiple individuals......and using Kody Brown as the poster child for this is just pathetic when EVEN he has stated he's NOT looking to fight the BIG fight!!!
It FIRST HAS TO BE DECRIMINALIZED, just like same sex sexual behavior had to! Do you think SSM would have been legalized if the Supreme Court had upheld laws prohibiting same sex sexual behavior? Another commonality between same sex marriage advocates and polygamists. Strange bedfellows indeed.

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#12679 Nov 6, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Thanks Pete for the lovely repeated post......but I need to take a step out of this round-about discussion of yours......you don't care about having a civilized discussion or a debate, you just care about what you care about and NOTHING else.....well, yesterday we had good news out of Illinois and within the next week or so we will finally have Hawaii, taking us up to 16 states and DC.....with adding New Mexico probably by the end of the year.........and you will still be going round in circle about conjugal sexual activity between your version of marriage........enjoy!!!

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