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Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17562 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#2353 Feb 11, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Yes it did, that was the whole issue.
Interracial marriages were legal in different parts of the country at different times prior to the Virginia ban.
And not everybody agreed that inter-racial sexual relationships should be called marriage. Why do you think there was a trial?
No Rose, not just interracial sexual relationships, but marriage. The idea of a "same sex marriage" was, and still is for many,inconceivble.

http://international.vlex.com/vid/colored-sco...

The marriage of John and Ellen Davis was one between a white woman and an African-American man, a Scottish immigrant and a native New Yorker, and two working class laborers. While one might assume that such relationships were rare in the nineteenth century, a close examination of United States Manuscript Census Records in New York City for 1850, 1860, and 1870 indicates that such interracial, cross-cultural marriages constituted five to seven percent of married couples living in predominantly black neighborhoods. The number of interracial marriages varied over the twenty year period under investigation but skyrocketed following the Civil War. Census records indicate that there were 29 interracial marriages in 1850, 19 in 1860, and 116 in 1870. The vast majority of such relationships occurred between black men and white women often between an African-American male born in the United States and a woman who had immigrated from Europe, most of whom were Irish, Scottish, or English.(2) While mixed-race couples in different regions and in different eras faced tremendous resistance, such couples were not uncommon in mid-nineteenth-century New York City. Interracial couples often married in black churches in New York, worked in the city, sent their children to local African schools, and successfully interacted with government institutions, including pension officials, local court representatives, and census takers.
Start a forum about it!
We have perfectly good forum right here, no need to let it goto waste.

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#2355 Feb 12, 2013
Black church leaders are right to be alarmed; same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender segregation to the perfect diversity of male/female marriage.

If you dislike apartheid and love segregation; keep marriage one man and one woman.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2356 Feb 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Black church leaders are right to be alarmed; same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender segregation to the perfect diversity of male/female marriage.
If you dislike apartheid and love segregation; keep marriage one man and one woman.
Doesn't single motherhood also segregate the sexes? Perhaps black church leaders should spend more time worrying about getting people to marry, and less time worrying about who marries.
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#2357 Feb 12, 2013
How about the religous nazi pukes mind there own business.....
sickofit

Faribault, MN

#2358 Feb 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Black church leaders are right to be alarmed; same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender segregation to the perfect diversity of male/female marriage.
If you dislike apartheid and love segregation; keep marriage one man and one woman.
SHUT UP HITLER......Why dont you bigots move to Iran...YOU WOULD FIT IN.

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#2359 Feb 12, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Perhaps black church leaders should spend more time worrying about getting people to marry, and less time worrying about who marries.
Valid point. Sadly marriage and motherhood in the black community have been divorced long ago.

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#2360 Feb 12, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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SHUT UP HITLER......Why dont you bigots move to Iran...YOU WOULD FIT IN.
Hey Sick-who-throws-a-hissy-fit how ya doing? Still spouting that Orwellian communist utopian philosophy I see.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2361 Feb 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Interracial marriages were legal in different parts of the country at different times prior to the Virginia ban.
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And now gay marriages are legal in different parts of the country, so what's your point?
Pietro Armando wrote:
No Rose, not just interracial sexual relationships, but marriage. The idea of a "same sex marriage" was, and still is for many,inconceivble.
http://international.vlex.com/vid/colored-sco...

The marriage of John and Ellen Davis was one between a white woman and an African-American man, a Scottish immigrant and a native New Yorker, and two working class laborers. While one might assume that such relationships were rare in the nineteenth century, a close examination of United States Manuscript Census Records in New York City for 1850, 1860, and 1870 indicates that such interracial, cross-cultural marriages constituted five to seven percent of married couples living in predominantly black neighborhoods. The number of interracial marriages varied over the twenty year period under investigation but skyrocketed following the Civil War. Census records indicate that there were 29 interracial marriages in 1850, 19 in 1860, and 116 in 1870. The vast majority of such relationships occurred between black men and white women often between an African-American male born in the United States and a woman who had immigrated from Europe, most of whom were Irish, Scottish, or English.
(2) While mixed-race couples in different regions and in different eras faced tremendous resistance, such couples were not uncommon in mid-nineteenth-century New York City. Interracial couples often married in black churches in New York, worked in the city, sent their children to local African schools, and successfully interacted with government institutions, including pension officials, local court representatives, and census takers.
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We have perfectly good forum right here, no need to let it goto waste.
And?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2362 Feb 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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The institution you speak of, and the laws themselves, are based on the relationship of husband and wife. By removing one, the husband or wife, from the institution, it then is no longer the same institution, but something else. There is no marriage institution based on the relationship of two men, or two women.
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Noooooo...water down the membership eligibility.
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Uhhhhh...hellloooooo...gay and lesbian people are seeking different treatment...if they weren't they would marry like everybody else.
You argue out of both sides of your mouth. Some how it's "like everybody else" because people can only marry someone of the opposite sex, but it wold be "different treatment" if everyone could marry someone of either sex.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#2363 Feb 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Black church leaders are right to be alarmed; same sex marriage brings a new standard of gender segregation to the perfect diversity of male/female marriage.
If you dislike apartheid and love segregation; keep marriage one man and one woman.
Gay marriage is now legal in several states. When are they going to make prison rape legal? You claimed that's what would happen. So, got a time line for us Brian?

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#2365 Feb 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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And now gay marriages are legal in different parts of the country, so what's your point?
The analogy to the ban on ssm and interracial marriage as being one and the same is weak....very weak.
And?
Interracial marriages were legal long before SSM.

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#2366 Feb 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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You argue out of both sides of your mouth. Some how it's "like everybody else" because people can only marry someone of the opposite sex, but it wold be "different treatment" if everyone could marry someone of either sex.
Exactly? Its all in how marriage is defined, is it "husband AND wife", or "spouses for life" regardless of gender composition?

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#2367 Feb 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
Gay marriage is now legal in several states. When are they going to make prison rape legal? You claimed that's what would happen. So, got a time line for us Brian?
I never claimed same sex marriage would make prison rape legal, unless that means forced prison marriage in our gender segregated prisons, where rape is already a problem.

If you care about people in gender segregated institutions, don't introduce marriage in the mix.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2368 Feb 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
The institution you speak of, and the laws themselves, are based on the relationship of husband and wife. By removing one, the husband or wife, from the institution, it then is no longer the same institution, but something else

In all of the 8 years gay marriage has been legal in the US (9 States and DC); no husband or wife has ever been removed from a straight marriage because of gay people's legal right to marriage

[QUOTE who="Pietro Armando"]There is no marriage institution based on the relationship of two men, or two women
Then you don't know about this:
http://makeitequal.org/
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2369 Feb 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
If you care about people in gender segregated institutions, don't introduce marriage in the mix.
We introduced marriage in the mix 8 years ago and it includes jailbirds in these states and DC:
http://makeitequal.org/
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So make sure you know what state you're in when you do crimes and fall in love with a jailbird

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#2370 Feb 12, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Then you don't know about this:
http://makeitequal.org/
That doesn't address the points I made. Is there room on the flag for plural marriage equality? Or are they not flag worthy?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#2371 Feb 12, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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That doesn't address the points I made. Is there room on the flag for plural marriage equality? Or are they not flag worthy?
Pride Parades Inc. rents spaces to pro-gay polygamist organizations who abide by the contract
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Can we expect you to enter your polygamist float in our next big parade?
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Its going to be a thriller
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We will be celebrating the BIG GAY EXPLOSION!

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#2372 Feb 12, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Pride Parades Inc. rents spaces to pro-gay polygamist organizations who abide by the contract
"Pride Parades Inc"? Lions have incorporated? Before ya know it the peacocks will b unionized.

"Pro gay polygamist organizations".... ya don't say. Who would'be of thunk it.
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Can we expect you to enter your polygamist float in our next big parade?
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I wanna sit on the one with Kody and the wives. They are invited I presume.
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Its going to be a thriller
Oh a "Michael Jackson" theme....makes sense.
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We will be celebrating the BIG GAY EXPLOSION!
Make sure you have a permit, and a hazmat clean up crew on standby.

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#2373 Feb 12, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
We introduced marriage in the mix 8 years ago and it includes jailbirds in these states and DC:[URL deleted]
An unelected court introduced same sex marriage to America, in DC, the administration has refused requests for referendum on same sex marriage law. Same sex marriage is often antidemocratic; that's why I oppose same sex marriage.

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Rainbow Kid wrote:
So make sure you know what state you're in when you do crimes and fall in love with a jailbird
If you oppose jailbait rape, keep marriage male/female to keep forced marriage out of our prisons.

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#2374 Feb 12, 2013
Equal rights were never intended to depend on popular opinion or vote. That is why we have a constitution.

The 14th amendment says no state shall "deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

The U.S. Supreme Court said: "The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."

Attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies wrote in their prop.8 filing: "Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. This case tests the proposition whether the gay and lesbian Americans among us should be counted as ‘persons’ under the 14th Amendment, or whether they constitute a permanent underclass ineligible for protection under that cornerstone of our Constitution.”

The difference in our positions is that we want the same rights you have while you seek to deny us those rights you reserve for yourself. Denial of equality causes harm to those denied both directly through denial of legal equality and through the stigmatization and dehumanization that inescapably results from being worth less under the law.

Allowing gay people to participate under the same rules you apply to yourself does not take away any rights from you and therefore does not harm you. It won't require any change in the rules and rights for straight people or their families.

Gay people are already forming families. Denial of the same rights you have won't change that fact. It will only harm those families. Yet allowing us the same opportunities you have won't harm you. Your position results in needless suffering, while ours harms no one.

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