Evangelical Churches Refine Message on Gay Issues

Jan 31, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: EDGE

The Rev. Robert Jeffress has changed the way he talks about homosexuality from the pulpit.

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David Traversa

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Very hard to conclude whether this gentleman is concerned with justice or simply with attracting a younger crowd to his church.. Let's give him a chance and hope he's sincere..
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He said he is open to the possibility that sexual orientation has a genetic basis that cannot be cured or prayed away." I think we were too quick to dismiss the possibility of a genetic predisposition," Jeffress said.

But that hasnít altered his belief the Bible teaches that acting on homosexual desire is sinful, and he feels it is his responsibility to talk about it with his congregation."

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Isn't it interesting that fundies can hold incongruent opinions.

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Found this to be most interesting from this well written and researched article:

"David W. Key Sr., director of Baptist Studies at Emory Universityís Candler School of Theology, said it is the pastors who are de-emphasizing homosexuality who are attracting more members.

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And because many evangelical churches are less hierarchical than their mainline Protestant counterparts, changes in attitude or practice can sometimes go under the radar.

"Thereís never a proclamation. A resolution doesnít pass. Itís just that people go silent on the issue," Key said. He said that has happened with everything from slavery to dancing and alcohol consumption.

"The reality is when all of society has moved in a certain direction ... you just have to be silent."
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I have spent my life in churches of various denominations. I must say I have never heard preachers speak against homosexuals in any of them. I have heard them speak out against "gay marriage" on one or two occasions in the last couple of years. Please note, he still thinks homosexual behavior is a sin. People are born into sin. People many times have a predisposition to commit all sorts of acts that are sins. Nobody is excused or given permission to do those things just because they might have some sort of genetic thing going on. No reason why homosexuals should be given a pass either.

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Worth repeating: FTA
"Evangelicals have been sobered by studies that show people are dropping out of church in droves," said Bill Leonard, dean of Wake Forest Universityís Divinity School. That has affected how they relate to marginalized people, including gays and lesbians.

"Iím amazed at the changes, the softening of the rhetoric to be more compassionate," Leonard said. "Thereís a realization that the idea of ílove the sinner, hate the siní comes across as pretty cold."
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I have spent my life in churches of various denominations. I must say I have never heard preachers speak against homosexuals in any of them. I have heard them speak out against "gay marriage" on one or two occasions in the last couple of years. Please note, he still thinks homosexual behavior is a sin. People are born into sin. People many times have a predisposition to commit all sorts of acts that are sins. Nobody is excused or given permission to do those things just because they might have some sort of genetic thing going on. No reason why homosexuals should be given a pass either.
And fortunately, in the USA, no one is required to follow your religion. You can buy into the "original sin" set-up if you wish. Don't expect the rest of us to buy that crap.
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Jane Dodo wrote:
He said he is open to the possibility that sexual orientation has a genetic basis that cannot be cured or prayed away." I think we were too quick to dismiss the possibility of a genetic predisposition," Jeffress said.
But that hasnít altered his belief the Bible teaches that acting on homosexual desire is sinful, and he feels it is his responsibility to talk about it with his congregation."
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How very true! Most have never considered that their interpretation of scripture may be faulty. And though the good pastor claims that the whole truth must be preached, evangelicals "pick and choose" scriptures they teach or emphasize all the time. They have great difficulty seeing this double standard since it is deeply inculcated in their minds that THEY are they guardians of THE TRUTH. Some evangelical leaders & pastors who've begun to question the old interpretations are subject to ridicule and accusations as to their motives (shrinking membership & loss of revenue). But for those who are sincere I find it takes a tremendous amont of courage to stand up to the dogma of fundamentalism.

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>I have spent my life in churches of various denominations..... No reason why homosexuals should be given a pass either.<

You've obviously been misled, snikkkers.
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Chance wrote:
I have spent my life in churches of various denominations. I must say I have never heard preachers speak against homosexuals in any of them. I have heard them speak out against "gay marriage" on one or two occasions in the last couple of years. Please note, he still thinks homosexual behavior is a sin. People are born into sin. People many times have a predisposition to commit all sorts of acts that are sins. Nobody is excused or given permission to do those things just because they might have some sort of genetic thing going on. No reason why homosexuals should be given a pass either.
A church congregation that practices homophobia has no jurisdiction over gay people
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A church congregation that practices homophobia has no jurisdiction over gay people
Absolutely right. They don't. Nobody has "jurisdiction" over anybody else. We all answer directly to God, but even God doesn't have "jurisdiction." He gave us free will to live our lives as we wish. Satan, on the other hand, clearly has jurisdiction over some people because they have given themselves over to him.

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Absolutely right. They don't. Nobody has "jurisdiction" over anybody else. We all answer directly to God, but even God doesn't have "jurisdiction." He gave us free will to live our lives as we wish. Satan, on the other hand, clearly has jurisdiction over some people because they have given themselves over to him.
Until there is actual evidence of your god, intelligent people dismiss it as mythology. Same with your Satan character. If you like being a fool, fine, but leave reality in the hands of people with more brains than you.

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Chance wrote:
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Absolutely right. They don't. Nobody has "jurisdiction" over anybody else. We all answer directly to God, but even God doesn't have "jurisdiction." He gave us free will to live our lives as we wish. Satan, on the other hand, clearly has jurisdiction over some people because they have given themselves over to him.
I will agree with your idea that some people have given themselves over to Satan. You illustrate that very well.

But don't include all gay and lesbian people in your claim. Every community has slimeballs like you. That doesn't make them the majority those communities.
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I have spent my life in churches of various denominations. I must say I have never heard preachers speak against homosexuals in any of them. I have heard them speak out against "gay marriage" on one or two occasions in the last couple of years. Please note, he still thinks homosexual behavior is a sin. People are born into sin. People many times have a predisposition to commit all sorts of acts that are sins. Nobody is excused or given permission to do those things just because they might have some sort of genetic thing going on. No reason why homosexuals should be given a pass either.
Always provided you go along with this "sin" business.. I don't; and many, many people don't either.. Any given person will behave decently if he has a notion of right and wrong nurtured by self-discipline and love for his neighbor; and he doesn't need supervision from imaginary beings to develop these qualities.. The trouble is most do not care for development of any sort and will rather stay in a first stage.. A carelessly read Bible can't do the whole job and that's as far as they will go.. all to the benefit of the different denominations you mention.. Civilization is something that has to be worked for; but it's so much easier to ignore it and let somebody from a pulpit tell what and what not to do..
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And humans use to have tails.
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The one and only church founded by Jesus was the Catholic Church when he spoke to Peter. ALL other churches have been founded by men.
Now, regarding this point, read Levitico 20,13: "If a man gets gets laid with another man as if he were a woman, they have both committed infamy and shall die a death........"
That was the old testament which was for the people of Israel.
To me it shows God's view on homosexuality (I am NOT saying that gays should be killed please!!!!. Bible should be read with care and proper interpretation) but this shows that homosexuality is not good to the eyes of God. So this "Reverend" is only talking on his name not in the name of God..........
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Catholic wrote:
The one and only church founded by Jesus was the Catholic Church when he spoke to Peter. ALL other churches have been founded by men.
Now, regarding this point, read Levitico 20,13: "If a man gets gets laid with another man as if he were a woman, they have both committed infamy and shall die a death........"
That was the old testament which was for the people of Israel.
To me it shows God's view on homosexuality (I am NOT saying that gays should be killed please!!!!. Bible should be read with care and proper interpretation) but this shows that homosexuality is not good to the eyes of God. So this "Reverend" is only talking on his name not in the name of God..........
It makes no mention of gay people; and for good reason
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Take a look at who GOD picked to compile and publish HIS Holy Word:
http://etb-history-theology.blogspot.com/2012...

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Catholic wrote:
The one and only church founded by Jesus was the Catholic Church when he spoke to Peter. ALL other churches have been founded by men.
Now, regarding this point, read Levitico 20,13: "If a man gets gets laid with another man as if he were a woman, they have both committed infamy and shall die a death........"
That was the old testament which was for the people of Israel.
To me it shows God's view on homosexuality (I am NOT saying that gays should be killed please!!!!. Bible should be read with care and proper interpretation) but this shows that homosexuality is not good to the eyes of God. So this "Reverend" is only talking on his name not in the name of God..........
LOL Then please explain why the R.C.C. was founded several centuries AFTER Jesus died!

I'm not even Catholic but I know about the Great Schism in 1054.

Those who refuse to know their history have no past or future.(paraphrasing something from Robert Heinlein).

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Catholic wrote:
The one and only church founded by Jesus was the Catholic Church when he spoke to Peter. ALL other churches have been founded by men.
Now, regarding this point, read Levitico 20,13: "If a man gets gets laid with another man as if he were a woman, they have both committed infamy and shall die a death........"
That was the old testament which was for the people of Israel.
To me it shows God's view on homosexuality (I am NOT saying that gays should be killed please!!!!. Bible should be read with care and proper interpretation) but this shows that homosexuality is not good to the eyes of God. So this "Reverend" is only talking on his name not in the name of God..........
From the time of Diotrephes (3 John 1:9-10) there have been continual schisms, of which the greater number were in the East. Arianism produced a huge schism; the Nestorian and Monophysite schisms still last. However, the Eastern Schism always means that most deplorable quarrel of which the final result is the separation of the vast majority of Eastern Christians from union with the Catholic Church, the schism that produced the separated, so-called "Orthodox" Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13535a.htm
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Jane Dodo wrote:
He said he is open to the possibility that sexual orientation has a genetic basis that cannot be cured or prayed away." I think we were too quick to dismiss the possibility of a genetic predisposition," Jeffress said.
But that hasnít altered his belief the Bible teaches that acting on homosexual desire is sinful, and he feels it is his responsibility to talk about it with his congregation."
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no, its amazing you thinks this is "incongruent"...
just more proof that consistency is something you simply do not grasp.

some are more inclined to GAMBLE, or other addictions, but its the will power to not follow it even though you are hard wired to want it...
that's all he said and its far from incongruous.
its kinda what separates us from the other animals...

now I do not believe gays shouldn't act on their instinct, but that doesn't make what this guys said inconsistent at all...

and yes, pot meet kettle Mr couldn't grasp consistency if it was in your hand...

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