African American Pastors For And Against Same Sex Marriage

Sep 22, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WUSA-TV Washington

We heard two different coalitions of African American pastors taking very different and very public stances Friday on same-sex marriage.

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Can't religiously liberal African-Americans find a better spokesman than Sharpton the clown? He is an embarrassment.

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JohnInToronto wrote:
Can't religiously liberal African-Americans find a better spokesman than Sharpton the clown? He is an embarrassment.
No matter what you may think of Al Sharpton, he was the FIRST prominent black leader to support marriage equality.

Thanks in large part to his status among the black community there is now an actual debate happening within the black religious community over marriage equality.

So Sharpton may be a "clown", but he's been a very effective one.

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Polling in Maryland shows a majority of blacks actually SUPPORT marriage equality now.

Thanks in large part to Rev. Sharpton & President Obama.

Hopefully those numbers hold up in Nov.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No matter what you may think of Al Sharpton, he was the FIRST prominent black leader to support marriage equality.
Thanks in large part to his status among the black community there is now an actual debate happening within the black religious community over marriage equality.
So Sharpton may be a "clown", but he's been a very effective one.
When is he going to pay the multi-million dollar judgment to Steve Pagones that a judge ordered him to pay in the Tawana Brawley Affair ?

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When is he going to pay the multi-million dollar judgment to Steve Pagones that a judge ordered him to pay in the Tawana Brawley Affair ?
Don't know, don't care......

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No matter what you may think of Al Sharpton, he was the FIRST prominent black leader to support marriage equality.
Thanks in large part to his status among the black community there is now an actual debate happening within the black religious community over marriage equality.
So Sharpton may be a "clown", but he's been a very effective one.
He also makes it much easier for conservatives to attack them.

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JohnInToronto wrote:
Can't religiously liberal African-Americans find a better spokesman than Sharpton the clown? He is an embarrassment.
Sharpton a leader? Nobody my age follows the old head & his perm
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To this minute of this day, I am confused (and can only shrug and/or laugh) at there being REPORTS that someone is "against gay marriage," as if this is some official position that carries weight. I will never stop thinking, never, "It carries weight if you accord the same respect to the KKK. Or misogynists. Or anyone prejudiced." The media *continue* to act as if this is some "special exception" that is allowable "for 'religious' reasons." I reject that eternally.

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Let's get them all together in a room and let them mud-wrestle about it.

Picture it. A whole gaggle of old fat black men throwing each other around in the mud pool.

I'd buy a ticket.

Anyone want to set up the chicken and ribs concessions?
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At least for once this article lets readers know that there are two sides to the coin, two diametrically opposed views of marriage equality from within the same demographic. It isn't just the hate mongerers being profiled. And the hateful side, represented by the so-called "Reverend" Owens, gets his salary from none other than NOM.
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hi hi wrote:
To this minute of this day, I am confused (and can only shrug and/or laugh) at there being REPORTS that someone is "against gay marriage," as if this is some official position that carries weight. I will never stop thinking, never, "It carries weight if you accord the same respect to the KKK. Or misogynists. Or anyone prejudiced." The media *continue* to act as if this is some "special exception" that is allowable "for 'religious' reasons." I reject that eternally.
So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?..you don't get that? Also, are you cool with..uh..4 men marrying 1 woman?

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LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?..you don't get that? Also, are you cool with..uh..4 men marrying 1 woman?
Nowhere in Christian, Jewish, or Muslim scriptural texts does it say that "GOD disapproves of gay marriage".

Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy.

Many Muslims and Jews are polygamous even today. And polygamy was the marriage norm in biblical times.

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LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?..you don't get that? Also, are you cool with..uh..4 men marrying 1 woman?
That old collection of writings that people are always slapping our faces with doesn't have a problem with 4+ women marrying the same man.

You'll notice, though, that this isn't the polyandry (or polygamy) forum.

So, stuff it.
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LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?..you don't get that? Also, are you cool with..uh..4 men marrying 1 woman?
It's so easy to say that one's particular GOD disapproves of something that one disapproves of. This provides one with an instant, unassailable argument which is no argument at all. "My GOD says so, therefore it must be and I must follow." That dog don't hunt.

First, can you please let us know which of the 3000-plus GODs that humans have identified is the one to which you refer. Without this clarification, I will refer to all deities with the non-capitalized generic name, "god."

Second, for those who believe that their god disapproves of marriage equality, has your god spoken to you directly about this? If not, it's what we call hearsay. You are not listening to what your god is saying, you are listening to what your god's all-too-human representatives are saying.

I don't personally know any humans who have had an actual conversation with any god, i.e., where both the human and the god speak to each other. Plenty of people say they talk regularly TO god. Not so many say that god responds (most of them are in mental health facilities).

So in reply to your question: "So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?.." Some people BELIEVE that some god or another disapproves of gay marriage, but they have never actually heard from god on this (or any other) subject.
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LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>So you don't understand that someone believes that GOD disapproves of gay marriage....so..that person does also?..you don't get that?
Oh, sure. But lemme get right back in your face, without blinking, and ask whether *YOU* get the concept that someone's "religious" belief doesn't allow them to broadcast it, incite hatred or violence, and rob a minority of its rights. Do *YOU* get *THAT* concept?

Do you get that having a private religious belief has *nothing to do* with a need to *FORCE* others to live in a certain way because of *YOUR* belief? I mean, how about if I just barrel into your home and *FORCE* you to wear what I decree and eat what I decree and so on?

You get the concept, right, that people are free and that right now, for unfathomable, ridiculous, unknowable reasons, a *rape of rights* is occurring in numerous states in America because spineless crybabies think *THEIR "RELIGION" guarantees them* a right to take away the rights of others?

You get that, right?

Right?

Right?
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Also, are you cool with..uh..4 men marrying 1 woman?
I dunno, are you cool with your kid ****ing the family dog? Has nothing to do with anything, right? Neither does polygamy. Polygamy is a *set of marriages*; moreover, what *does* the marriage of four men to one woman have to do with me?

You go around *believing you can instruct others* what to do?

What kind of person are you?

Christ.
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TucksunJack wrote:
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Nowhere in Christian, Jewish, or Muslim scriptural texts does it say that "GOD disapproves of gay marriage".
Gay marriage has nothing to do with polygamy.
Many Muslims and Jews are polygamous even today. And polygamy was the marriage norm in biblical times.
Have you ever read in the bible of a SSM. It is written in the bible against homosexual behavior.
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the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever read in the bible of a SSM. It is written in the bible against homosexual behavior.
So what? You are not using your "voice of reason." Our laws are not based on what the Bible says. Nor what the Bhagavad Gita says, nor the Koran, nor any other holy book.

And thank goodness that they are not. Otherwise we'd probably having weekly stonings of all the people who offended someone's concept of a deity, all the non-virgin brides buried up to their necks to have rocks thrown at their heads until they were dead. Would you get in line to throw those rocks? The Bible describes a primitive, stone age moral system that is not acceptable to rational persons today.
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So what? You are not using your "voice of reason." Our laws are not based on what the Bible says. Nor what the Bhagavad Gita says, nor the Koran, nor any other holy book.
And thank goodness that they are not. Otherwise we'd probably having weekly stonings of all the people who offended someone's concept of a deity, all the non-virgin brides buried up to their necks to have rocks thrown at their heads until they were dead. Would you get in line to throw those rocks? The Bible describes a primitive, stone age moral system that is not acceptable to rational persons today.
You do not read with understanding. You did not read anything I said about the bases of the law. The things that are written in the bible was written long before you or I came along. I do not think they are going to change because you do not agree with it.
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the voice of reason wrote:
<quoted text>You do not read with understanding. You did not read anything I said about the bases of the law. The things that are written in the bible was written long before you or I came along. I do not think they are going to change because you do not agree with it.
You're right, I didn't read anything you said about the "bases of the law" because I don't see anything about that. And you're also right, that the things written in the Bible were written long before you or I came along. So what? There are plenty of documents written before our time. Some still have relevance (e.g., the U.S. Constitution), some don't.

Following some ancient moral code, which contains much that is horrible and offensive, is an absurd way to lead one's life (and would get you thrown in prison, were you to follow it to the letter). What we do, including you, is pick and choose the good parts from the bad. So the Bible cannot be any kind of ultimate source of morality since we all recognize that there is much in there that is downright inhuman and evil.

Ever hear of the "Jefferson Bible"? Maybe we humans should collectively come up with a way to "amend" the Bible to remove the obviously evil parts. That would make it more relevant to post-stone-age humans. The Constitution has such a provision.
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Qwerty26 wrote:
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You're right, I didn't read anything you said about the "bases of the law" because I don't see anything about that. And you're also right, that the things written in the Bible were written long before you or I came along. So what? There are plenty of documents written before our time. Some still have relevance (e.g., the U.S. Constitution), some don't.
Following some ancient moral code, which contains much that is horrible and offensive, is an absurd way to lead one's life (and would get you thrown in prison, were you to follow it to the letter). What we do, including you, is pick and choose the good parts from the bad. So the Bible cannot be any kind of ultimate source of morality since we all recognize that there is much in there that is downright inhuman and evil.
Ever hear of the "Jefferson Bible"? Maybe we humans should collectively come up with a way to "amend" the Bible to remove the obviously evil parts. That would make it more relevant to post-stone-age humans. The Constitution has such a provision.
I am not here to debate the morality of people but can point out what is written in the bible when someone say the bible do not speak of it. People have been using the bible long before America, as a reference to their belief. I do not believe people will change their belief because of someone on the internet.

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