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Dalai Lama says no problem with gay marriage

There are 49 comments on the News24 story from Mar 7, 2014, titled Dalai Lama says no problem with gay marriage. In it, News24 reports that:

The Dalai Lama meets with US Speaker of the House John Boehner at the US Capitol in Washington, DC.

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Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Mar 7, 2014
I was Tibetan' on his taking this position.
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#2 Mar 7, 2014
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#3 Mar 7, 2014
david traversa wrote:
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
Bzzzt.

You are describing the Ethical Culture Society in the US, which is technically a religion.

The various Buddhisms have all sorts of superstitions and supernatural beliefs, and they are usually literal beliefs, not like certain Christians who think the Host is metaphorical, for example.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#4 Mar 7, 2014
This is a total 180 for him. It wasn't too many years ago I saw him being interviewed and the question of same-sex marriage come up. His response was, "Oh, no. We never do. Buddhists would never do that. That is wrong."

Interestingly enough, when I asked my Buddhist friends about that, they denied that I had heard it and guaranteed me that the Dalai Lama would *NEVER* say such a thing.

But he did, Blanche! He did! I heard it with my own ears.

Regardless, good for him for catching the clue bus. Finally.
juls

Bellefontaine, OH

#5 Mar 7, 2014
WOW! I am positively impressed......thank you Dali Lama.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#6 Mar 7, 2014
david traversa wrote:
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
Well, if you feel the belief that the material universe is an illusion is NOT a superstition.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#7 Mar 7, 2014
david traversa wrote:
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
The degree to which the lives of Jesus and Krishna are identical as revealed in The Christ by John Remsberg clearly demonstrates that the comparison is even more applicable when the life of Jesus is correlated with that of Buddha. On page 370 he states, "The word Buddha, like the word Christ, is not a name, but a title. It means 'the enlightened one'. The name for this religious founder was Siddhartha Gautama. He was born about 643 B.C, and died 563 B.C.(Note well that that is long before the birth of Jesus). His mother, Mahamaya, was a virgin. Dean Milman, in his History of Christianity, says,'Buddha, according to a tradition known in the West, was born of a virgin'(Vol. I, p. 99). Devaki (the mother of Krishna), Mary, and Mahamaya, all gave birth to their children among strangers.... The 'Tripitaka', the principal Bible of the Buddhists, containing the history of the teachings of Buddha, is a collection of books written in the centuries immediately following Buddha. The canon was finally determined at the Council of Pataliputra, held under the auspices of the Emperor Asoka the Great, 244 B.C., more than 600 years before the Christian canon was established....

Buddha was 'about 30 years old' when he began his ministry (as was Jesus allegedly). He fasted 'seven times seven nights and days'. He had a 'band of disciples' who accompanied him. He traveled from place to place and 'preached to large multitudes'. Bishop Bigandet calls his first sermon the 'Sermon on the Mount'. At his Renunciation 'he forsook father and mother, wife and child'. His mission was 'to establish the kingdom of righteousness'.'Buddha', says Max Mueller,'promised salvation to all; and he commanded his disciples to preach his doctrine in all places and to all men'....

Buddha formulated the following commandments.'Not to kill; not to steal; not to lie; not to commit adultery; not to use strong drink'. Christ said,'Thou knowest the commandments: do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not steal; do not bear false witness; honor thy father and thy mother'(Luke 18:20). Christ ignored the Decalogue of Moses and, like Buddha, presented a pentade which, with the exception of one commandment, is the same as that of Buddha.

Prof. Seydel, of the University of Leipzig, points out 50 analogies between Christianity and Buddhism. Dr. Schleiden calls attention to over 100. Baron Hiarden-Hickey says:'Countless analogies exist between Buddhistic and Christian legends--analogies so striking that they forcibly prove to an impartial mind that a common origin must necessarily be given to the teachings of Sakay-Muni (Buddha) and those of Jesus. Concerning the biographical accounts of the two religious teachers Harden-Hickey says,'One account must necessarily be a copy of the other, and since the Buddhist biographer, living long before the birth of Christ, could not have borrowed from the Christian one, the plain inference is that the early creed-mongers of Alexandria were guilty of plagiarism'."
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#8 Mar 7, 2014
Sen Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Bzzzt.
You are describing the Ethical Culture Society in the US, which is technically a religion.
The various Buddhisms have all sorts of superstitions and supernatural beliefs, and they are usually literal beliefs, not like certain Christians who think the Host is metaphorical, for example.
I said " tiresome " superstitions .. To me ( at least ) they're more like a trascendental philosophy , pantheism or call it what you will .. I will accept their defects much more readily than the Pseudo- Christian ones .. I don't think you need to find anything that's outside man and his innate posibilities to solve our problems though . What we need is education and culture , not churches or sects of any kind .
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#9 Mar 7, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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The degree to which the lives of Jesus and Krishna are identical as revealed in The Christ by John Remsberg clearly demonstrates that the comparison is even more applicable when the life of Jesus is correlated with that of Buddha. On page 370 he states, "The word Buddha, like the word Christ, is not a name, but a title. It means 'the enlightened one'. The name for this religious founder was Siddhartha Gautama. He was born about 643 B.C, and died 563 B.C.(Note well that that is long before the birth of Jesus). His mother, Mahamaya, was a virgin. Dean Milman, in his History of Christianity, says,'Buddha, according to a tradition known in the West, was born of a virgin'(Vol. I, p. 99). Devaki (the mother of Krishna), Mary, and Mahamaya, all gave birth to their children among strangers.... The 'Tripitaka', the principal Bible of the Buddhists, containing the history of the teachings of Buddha, is a collection of books written in the centuries immediately following Buddha. The canon was finally determined at the Council of Pataliputra, held under the auspices of the Emperor Asoka the Great, 244 B.C., more than 600 years before the Christian canon was established....
Buddha was 'about 30 years old' when he began his ministry (as was Jesus allegedly). He fasted 'seven times seven nights and days'. He had a 'band of disciples' who accompanied him. He traveled from place to place and 'preached to large multitudes'. Bishop Bigandet calls his first sermon the 'Sermon on the Mount'. At his Renunciation 'he forsook father and mother, wife and child'. His mission was 'to establish the kingdom of righteousness'.'Buddha', says Max Mueller,'promised salvation to all; and he commanded his disciples to preach his doctrine in all places and to all men'....
Buddha formulated the following commandments.'Not to kill; not to steal; not to lie; not to commit adultery; not to use strong drink'. Christ said,'Thou knowest the commandments: do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not steal; do not bear false witness; honor thy father and thy mother'(Luke 18:20). Christ ignored the Decalogue of Moses and, like Buddha, presented a pentade which, with the exception of one commandment, is the same as that of Buddha.
Prof. Seydel, of the University of Leipzig, points out 50 analogies between Christianity and Buddhism. Dr. Schleiden calls attention to over 100. Baron Hiarden-Hickey says:'Countless analogies exist between Buddhistic and Christian legends--analogies so striking that they forcibly prove to an impartial mind that a common origin must necessarily be given to the teachings of Sakay-Muni (Buddha) and those of Jesus. Concerning the biographical accounts of the two religious teachers Harden-Hickey says,'One account must necessarily be a copy of the other, and since the Buddhist biographer, living long before the birth of Christ, could not have borrowed from the Christian one, the plain inference is that the early creed-mongers of Alexandria were guilty of plagiarism'."
Thank you . When you add Horus ( also born of a virgin ) what do you get ? More plagiarism ...
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#10 Mar 7, 2014
JohnInToronto wrote:
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Well, if you feel the belief that the material universe is an illusion is NOT a superstition.
You don't have to delve into religion to find such ideas ; philosophy will provide them readily ( Berkeley , for instance ..)

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#11 Mar 7, 2014
Of course the Dalai Lama would take this position...He doesn't want to lose Richard Gere's support! ;)

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#12 Mar 7, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
The degree to which the lives of Jesus and Krishna are identical as revealed in The Christ by John Remsberg clearly demonstrates that the comparison is even more applicable when the life of Jesus is correlated with that of Buddha. On page 370 he states, "The word Buddha, like the word Christ, is not a name, but a title. It means 'the enlightened one'. The name for this religious founder was Siddhartha Gautama. He was born about 643 B.C, and died 563 B.C.(Note well that that is long before the birth of Jesus). His mother, Mahamaya, was a virgin. Dean Milman, in his History of Christianity, says,'Buddha, according to a tradition known in the West, was born of a virgin'(Vol. I, p. 99). Devaki (the mother of Krishna), Mary, and Mahamaya, all gave birth to their children among strangers.... The 'Tripitaka', the principal Bible of the Buddhists, containing the history of the teachings of Buddha, is a collection of books written in the centuries immediately following Buddha. The canon was finally determined at the Council of Pataliputra, held under the auspices of the Emperor Asoka the Great, 244 B.C., more than 600 years before the Christian canon was established....
Buddha was 'about 30 years old' when he began his ministry (as was Jesus allegedly). He fasted 'seven times seven nights and days'. He had a 'band of disciples' who accompanied him. He traveled from place to place and 'preached to large multitudes'. Bishop Bigandet calls his first sermon the 'Sermon on the Mount'. At his Renunciation 'he forsook father and mother, wife and child'. His mission was 'to establish the kingdom of righteousness'.'Buddha', says Max Mueller,'promised salvation to all; and he commanded his disciples to preach his doctrine in all places and to all men'....
Buddha formulated the following commandments.'Not to kill; not to steal; not to lie; not to commit adultery; not to use strong drink'. Christ said,'Thou knowest the commandments: do not commit adultery; do not kill; do not steal; do not bear false witness; honor thy father and thy mother'(Luke 18:20). Christ ignored the Decalogue of Moses and, like Buddha, presented a pentade which, with the exception of one commandment, is the same as that of Buddha.
Prof. Seydel, of the University of Leipzig, points out 50 analogies between Christianity and Buddhism. Dr. Schleiden calls attention to over 100. Baron Hiarden-Hickey says:'Countless analogies exist between Buddhistic and Christian legends--analogies so striking that they forcibly prove to an impartial mind that a common origin must necessarily be given to the teachings of Sakay-Muni (Buddha) and those of Jesus. Concerning the biographical accounts of the two religious teachers Harden-Hickey says,'One account must necessarily be a copy of the other, and since the Buddhist biographer, living long before the birth of Christ, could not have borrowed from the Christian one, the plain inference is that the early creed-mongers of Alexandria were guilty of plagiarism'."
What a load of utter hornswoggle. I could perform a similar propaganda effort for any two religions. It's more likely that any commonalities between Christian and Buddhist legends are both borrowing from the same earlier source, just as there are flood myths in multiple cultures. Read Carl Jung.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 Mar 7, 2014
david traversa wrote:
This is the only " religion " ( if you can call it that ) that makes sense to me .. It's pure humanity .. with no tiresome superstitions .
In it's purest form, yes, but that is not what it becomes after it's been culturally assimilated.
Steve

Stamford, CT

#14 Mar 7, 2014
The Dalai Lama looks like a queer.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#15 Mar 7, 2014
achyfi wrote:
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What a load of utter hornswoggle. I could perform a similar propaganda effort for any two religions. It's more likely that any commonalities between Christian and Buddhist legends are both borrowing from the same earlier source, just as there are flood myths in multiple cultures. Read Carl Jung.
Good, you admit a major aspect of Christian belief is a re tread, and the rest of us know of all the earlier pagan and so forth legends and beliefs which inform much of the rest of Christianity.

So whether any two religions can be compared or not, as you say, we know the fundies' version of Christianity is culturally and historically wrong. It had a lot or precursors.

Since: Nov 13

Dedham, MA

#16 Mar 7, 2014
Sen Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Good, you admit a major aspect of Christian belief is a re tread, and the rest of us know of all the earlier pagan and so forth legends and beliefs which inform much of the rest of Christianity.
So whether any two religions can be compared or not, as you say, we know the fundies' version of Christianity is culturally and historically wrong. It had a lot or precursors.
You know what's more annoying than fundies? People like you who go spamming their obsession with attacking fundies onto threads that have nothing to do with it.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Mar 7, 2014
achyfi wrote:
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You know what's more annoying than fundies? People like you who go spamming their obsession with attacking fundies onto threads that have nothing to do with it.
Discussing fundies' insane beliefs is perfectly on topic in a thread which touched on superstition, the origin of various religious beliefs, comparisons between religions, and last but not least, the fact that not all religious leaders are stinking, ignorant homophobes.

If it upsets you then go to another thread...where fundie sc um will be being mocked.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Mar 7, 2014
Steve wrote:
The Dalai Lama looks like a queer.
Everyone looks like a qu eer to you. Unless it's a woman. Then you aren't paying attention.
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#20 Mar 7, 2014
snyper wrote:
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In it's purest form, yes, but that is not what it becomes after it's been culturally assimilated.
NOTHING remains the same after it's been culturally assimilated .. Unfortunately we tend to downgrade everything ; even the loftiest in religion, art and ideas .
david traversa

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#21 Mar 7, 2014
Sen Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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Everyone looks like a qu eer to you. Unless it's a woman. Then you aren't paying attention.
Touché..

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