Judge: Churches can't defend Ill. gay marriage ban

There are 23 comments on the www.wandtv.com story from Nov 30, 2012, titled Judge: Churches can't defend Ill. gay marriage ban. In it, www.wandtv.com reports that:

A Cook County judge says two suburban Chicago churches and the conservative Illinois Family Institute cannot intervene in a lawsuit over the state's ban on gay marriage.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Nov 30, 2012
Another step toward equality in Illinois.

Hopefully the legislature there will bring up a marriage equality bill next week instead of waiting for the new legislature in 2013.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#2 Nov 30, 2012
Good.

They can file friends of the court briefs but they can't offer testimony.

“Free to buy cake”

Since: Jul 07

wherever I like.

#3 Nov 30, 2012
Churches have no business participating in civil matters. Gay marriage has NO bearing on anyone's right to practice his/her faith.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#4 Nov 30, 2012
Marengo Jon wrote:
Churches have no business participating in civil matters. Gay marriage has NO bearing on anyone's right to practice his/her faith.
I agree. Religious institutins should not be concerned about, nor protest about, civil marriages.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Nov 30, 2012
And Illinois has to be one of the most corrupt states in the union.
AzAdam

Phoenix, AZ

#6 Nov 30, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
And Illinois has to be one of the most corrupt states in the union.
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Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#7 Dec 1, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Another step toward equality in Illinois.
Hopefully the legislature there will bring up a marriage equality bill next week instead of waiting for the new legislature in 2013.
We are not likely to see a bill that soon. We haven't enough votes to pass it yet. There was hope it could be done during the veto session, but unfortunately, no.

It may be that the courts will act sooner than the legislature. That wouldn't be a bad thing either, it would make it harder for a more conservative legislature to take those rights away in the future.

The idea of a conservative legislature in Illinois seems odd, but as we now see, even with a largely Democratic body, we still do not have the votes. Our politicians still worry that they will lose more votes than they will gain by enacting equality, pathetic.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#9 Dec 1, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Churches indeed should stand up in all matters that include morals, and according to the Christian Bible all homosexual behavior is deeply immoral!
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
I hope the first gay wedding in Illinois takes place across the street from your house, David the Troll.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#11 Dec 1, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Churches indeed should stand up in all matters that include morals, and according to the Christian Bible all homosexual behavior is deeply immoral!
Unless you can provide credentials to show that you have more understanding of the law than the judge, we'll have to take the judge's word for it. Sucks to be an uneducated troll, doesn't it?
TravisA

United States

#13 Dec 1, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Churches indeed should stand up in all matters that include morals, and according to the Christian Bible all homosexual behavior is deeply immoral!
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Dec 1, 2012
Ron431 wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not likely to see a bill that soon. We haven't enough votes to pass it yet. There was hope it could be done during the veto session, but unfortunately, no.
It may be that the courts will act sooner than the legislature. That wouldn't be a bad thing either, it would make it harder for a more conservative legislature to take those rights away in the future.
The idea of a conservative legislature in Illinois seems odd, but as we now see, even with a largely Democratic body, we still do not have the votes. Our politicians still worry that they will lose more votes than they will gain by enacting equality, pathetic.
Last I heard Rep Harris was still counting votes to see if they did indeed have the votes or not.

Either way, marriage equality will be a reality in Illinois soon enough; of that I have no doubt.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#15 Dec 1, 2012
"If Jesus ever said anything about homosexuality, it is not recorded in the Bible, even mistranslated. He did, however, speak extensively on God's unconditional love. Yet instead of dwelling on biblical love, Christians have historically been more concerned with obscure passages of Levitical cleanliness codes and Paul's misunderstood comments in Romans. Instead of focusing on the incredible injustice and hatred demonstrated by Christians and others, tying to deny homosexuals even basic civil rights, people appear more concerned with the specific homosexual acts between consenting adults who are naturally have a homosexual orientation. As James B. Nelson notes, the Bible more clearly advocates a "love ethic" rather than a "sex ethic."

I Cor 6:9, no way refers to homosexuality. The original Greek word often quoted as sexual immorality, Paul used was "porneia" which means "a harlot for hire". In Corinth in the temples of Venus, the principal deity of Corinth, where Christians went to worship, a thousand public prostitutes were kept at public expense to glorify and act as surrogates for the fertility Gods. This sex with the pagan Gods is what Paul was talking about - fornication is an admitted mistranslation and has nothing to do with gays or singles sex. This rendering reflected the bias of the translators rather than an accurate translation of Paul's words to a culture of 2000 years ago worshipping pagan sex gods.

Romans 1:26-27 mentions homosexual acts performed by people who are clearly described as heterosexual. The men in the NT patriarchal culture exerted dominance not only over women, but over younger males as well. The nature of homosexual acts in the Bible are so very different from what we know as homosexuality today that the passages have no application to today's homosexuality. Such practices as in NT times simply no longer exist. Alleged references to homosexuality in I Corinthians and I Timothy are the inventions of anti-gay translators. They are not in the original Greek texts." (Rev.Dr. Mel White) The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented until 1869. When you see it in the bible, you know it is a modern mistranslation and misinterpretation of the original texts.

"What the Bible forbids is acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, but no condemnation of homosexuality in relationships of mutual respect and love. "On the other hand, the Bible pointedly celebrates instances of same-sex emotional intimacy, a fact often overlooked by fearful homophobic readers." James B. Nelson, Professor of Christian Ethics, United Theological Seminary

Yet Jesus told us:

John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.

John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.

Matthew 7:1: "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Luke 6:37: "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

Meanwhile, the irrational prejudice promoted by some who claim to be Christians, continues to cause needless suffering and death, here and around the world.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#16 Dec 1, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>So are you just cherry picking or do you recognize the skills of an overwhelming majority of judges who have rejected the fraud of homosexual 'marriage?'
I'm not questioning any judges' rulings, as I have no background in law. I'll leave it to higher courts to either uphold or reject. I, at least, realize my limitations, where you presume to know more than the judge appointed/elected to that. Check and mate.

Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#17 Dec 1, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Last I heard Rep Harris was still counting votes to see if they did indeed have the votes or not.
Either way, marriage equality will be a reality in Illinois soon enough; of that I have no doubt.
It is being held in the rules committee pending approval. The initial hope was that action could occur this week, but it is looking more like January. I expect it to come quickly to the floor and a vote then. Just need DOMA overturned and then we will have full equality in Illinois.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18 Dec 1, 2012
Ron431 wrote:
<quoted text>
It is being held in the rules committee pending approval. The initial hope was that action could occur this week, but it is looking more like January. I expect it to come quickly to the floor and a vote then. Just need DOMA overturned and then we will have full equality in Illinois.
Well January is okay too; Rhode Island is expected to have a vote then as well.

To me getting rid of DOMA is key. Married same-sex couples will at least get federal recognition, even in states without marriage equality on the horizon. Speaking personally, that's more important than the state benefits I'd receive, though obviously I'd like both.
david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#19 Dec 1, 2012
Churches, with guess-work and superstition at their base, should never be allowed to interfere with the decisions of a Court of Law..
Kimares Kooter

Elkhorn, WI

#22 Dec 1, 2012
homosexuality is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>I have I micro-penis.
Yeah, we know.
david traversa

Cordoba, Argentina

#23 Dec 1, 2012
homosexuality is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>Gays have no business participating in human matters. Slime gays have no bearing on anyone and if gays can manage slime sex marriage with only gay votes, then gays need to leave us alone and get their queer butts out of our schools and courts.
Only a thoroughly stupid person would write such a comment.. That's why you depend on other morons for approval.. A nice bunch to participate in human matters indeed..

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#24 Dec 1, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Churches indeed should stand up in all matters that include morals, and according to the Christian Bible all homosexual behavior is deeply immoral!
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
churches which interfere in secular matters should loose their independent legal status

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#25 Dec 2, 2012
homosexuality is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>Which judges, gay liars. The CSSC judges who ruled in favor of Prop 8, the Oklahoma judges, SCOTUS justice Scalia or the Texas judge who ruled that Walker was retarded and that there is no equal protection issue and he would not pervert his court and allow gays to marry only to have the same issue that California created.
You obviously have no understanding of our legal system. I don't have a great deal either, but at least I know that all issues move up the ladder of the judicial system, and are at some time decided at the highest levels. I have limited ability to understand the intricacies of law, so I leave it up to better minds to sort these things out. And I have faith that Equality will win. You, on the other hand, would rather use your non-existent abilities to second-guess. Good luck with that.

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