Catholic influence wanes amidst gay m...

Catholic influence wanes amidst gay marriage fight

There are 103 comments on the Boston.com story from Jun 1, 2013, titled Catholic influence wanes amidst gay marriage fight. In it, Boston.com reports that:

The openly gay state representative led the fight to legalize same-sex marriage in what may be the most Catholic state in the nation's most Catholic region.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#23 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Saul Alinsky lives!
PAT ROBERTSON: GAYS WEAR SPECIAL RINGS TO CUT PEOPLE AND INTENTIONALLY SPREAD AIDS - VIDEO

http://www.towleroad.com/2013/08/robertsonaid...

When a group need to use lies and scapegoats in order to feel good about themselves the moral compass they are following is broken.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#24 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Actually Santorum is strong. His foreign policy views though are neo con. The look of power got to him also. You will beg for a leader as liberal as he will be compared to the monsters that are coming as we decline further and further. We had our chances.
Your nuts if you think santorum is anywhere near liberal. And i'll take Elizabeth Warren over anyone currently even thinking of running.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#25 Aug 28, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So when it comes to Matt. 25:31-46 you have no worries about how you are treating the least of your brethren?
People like you don't look to me like you are practicing the Christianity Jesus spoke of in Luke 10:25-37. Your claim that you "love the sinner but hate the sin" goes up in flames because we see that what is most important to you isn't the sinner but the "sin".
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Its the whole Bible thing. You either follow it or you don't. We all follow it to degree. And since it has been watered down, the degree is getting closer to the gutter. So comparing a man who screws around on his wife to a gay guy screwing hundreds of partners is considered equal. It may be. But nature ends up doing nasty things in violent ways whether we want them or not. I suppose a monogomous gay spouse is more important then a cheating hetero. But that is not the norm. No matter how much the progressive television and movie programs show gay parents to be salt of the earth and those nasty heteros as evil. Also, I am not the best biblical person. Just remembered people in a neighborhood taking care of families and helping their neighbors and volunteering and watching nuns work for nothing and getting us to the next generation at a price several times less then it costs today. And the costs are only going to go up. That is why any male getting married better be sure today. And more then that, any white male. If you are wrong, you will pay. It may be better to go to prison and stop working.
liberals are heros

Des Moines, IA

#26 Aug 28, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Its the whole Bible thing. You either follow it or you don't. We all follow it to degree. And since it has been watered down, the degree is getting closer to the gutter. So comparing a man who screws around on his wife to a gay guy screwing hundreds of partners is considered equal. It may be. But nature ends up doing nasty things in violent ways whether we want them or not. I suppose a monogomous gay spouse is more important then a cheating hetero. But that is not the norm. No matter how much the progressive television and movie programs show gay parents to be salt of the earth and those nasty heteros as evil. Also, I am not the best biblical person. Just remembered people in a neighborhood taking care of families and helping their neighbors and volunteering and watching nuns work for nothing and getting us to the next generation at a price several times less then it costs today. And the costs are only going to go up. That is why any male getting married better be sure today. And more then that, any white male. If you are wrong, you will pay. It may be better to go to prison and stop working.
In every post you are shown to be f&%*ing nuts. Guns seam to be the answer to you, although I will admit it's refreshing to see you didn't work it into this diatribe how everyone should get as many guns as possible. You really need mental help- seriously!
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#27 Aug 28, 2013
liberals are heros wrote:
<quoted text> In every post you are shown to be f&%*ing nuts. Guns seam to be the answer to you, although I will admit it's refreshing to see you didn't work it into this diatribe how everyone should get as many guns as possible. You really need mental help- seriously!
I have been on these forums for several years. A Few names. Read the threads for a while before I actually wrote anything. When I did got the feel of guilt from my upbringing for actually having a different opinion. So the first time I wrote, like a nerd I disagreed about gay marriage. No insults. No slanders. Anyway, for the next several hours I just kept writing clean white bread responses from several gay guys who put me through the shredder in name calling. They were having fun. I did it again a day or two later. The same thing. No name calling back. After a few days I started to feel my own ways of responding and felt bad about any insult returns. Understand that I believe that gay men and women should not be abused and others who screw with them can go ph uk themselves. But I disagree in a few things. And that is war. So every time you post now there are several people who respond with dumbospan and haters and other names. I experienced to much in life like others have. I because of this will see things happen to others unless proven to me and have already to monitor guilt by Christian upbringing. I spent my life helping others while listening to them biatchin and whining about how they suffered even if they caused their problems. I have my problems. Most of it the result of the political correctness, diversity and everything else we moved to as others took advantage and became empowered. Nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately many of them are inferior. Many of them are bullcrap artists who are dangerous. You see, if you steal from a man who is comfortable and has an IQ 20 per cent higher then you for long, you are going to see revolution in a multitude of possible ways. And the person you are stealing from won't have to do a damn thing. Even as people like you slander and call him names for his views. Nature takes it course. I am so sorry. I am not the top of the food chain. But I am not at the bottom. Enjoy the time left.
Adale

Baltimore, MD

#28 Aug 28, 2013
I was raised Catholic but have not entered a church in over 3 years.
When you become an adult your expected to open your eyes and acquire knowledge about the world you live in.for me it's not the gay issue, it's every thing else that I have seen and heard about my church.the list is to long to mention.
Believe in god but not these institutions that lie, cheat, and manipulate the people.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#29 Aug 28, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you watch him speak at any of the conventions? Im sure a quick google search could pull plenty of articles and videos for you. How any american could ever support such a thing is way beyond me but i know how much religion can screw up a weak mind.
Look, Santorum is a major tool, I'll agree. But woodtick57's claim was "Santorum... openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."

Woodtick57 made that claim, I didn't. I can find no such quote, and it's not my job to provide the evidence for someone else's claim. It's his, or yours now, since you apparently believe that such a quote exists.

If it does, then YOU provide the evidence for it, since you claim that there are plenty of article and videos to substantiate it. I'd love to see it. It would help demonstrate that Santorum is indeed an opponent of religious freedom.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#31 Aug 28, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, Santorum is a major tool, I'll agree. But woodtick57's claim was "Santorum... openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."
Woodtick57 made that claim, I didn't. I can find no such quote, and it's not my job to provide the evidence for someone else's claim. It's his, or yours now, since you apparently believe that such a quote exists.
If it does, then YOU provide the evidence for it, since you claim that there are plenty of article and videos to substantiate it. I'd love to see it. It would help demonstrate that Santorum is indeed an opponent of religious freedom.
he said it many times. the one i can cite from memory is this one...it is in about the middle of the video. he clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships....

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/201...

he said it two other times in public debate i know for sure, but it would take some research to find it if the files are still there...
ragnarlodbrok

Sweden

#32 Aug 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he said it many times. the one i can cite from memory is this one...it is in about the middle of the video. he clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships....
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/201...
he said it two other times in public debate i know for sure, but it would take some research to find it if the files are still there...
You have made 30,334 posts!? You are indeed the Idiot King. What a wonderful and rich life you lead. 30,334 posts. ROFLMAO Glad to know your life is so absent of meaning and value. You should print a T-shirt that says 30,000+ Topix Post - I am Woodtick the Idiot King.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#33 Aug 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>he said it many times. the one i can cite from memory is this one...it is in about the middle of the video. he clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships....
http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/201...
he said it two other times in public debate i know for sure, but it would take some research to find it if the files are still there...
No, Woodtick, I'm not going to wade through a 3-hour video just to find some quote that you claim to be able to cite from memory, which will turn out not to be there. Based on you so-called "clear memory" here, I call BS.

I can find no evidence that Santorum -- as you claim -- "openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."

If you want to provide the evidence, do so. Quote directly and exactly from the video and give the exact time of the quote. Don't make me do your work.

I don't believe that he ever "clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships." He wouldn't even use such language.

Does he want law to have a moral basis? Perhaps, but so what -- so do many people, and that wouldn't necessarily "turn the US into a theocracy." Just admit to the hyperbole and we can put a fork in this.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#34 Aug 29, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Its the whole Bible thing. You either follow it or you don't. We all follow it to degree. And since it has been watered down, the degree is getting closer to the gutter. So comparing a man who screws around on his wife to a gay guy screwing hundreds of partners is considered equal.
Not by me. One is committing adultery. One isn't. One took vows to be faithful. One didn't.

serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>It may be. But nature ends up doing nasty things in violent ways whether we want them or not. I suppose a monogomous gay spouse is more important then a cheating hetero.
Important to whom?

serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>But that is not the norm.
Care to post links to your "facts"? The "married" gays and lesbians I know have all had much longer and more faithful relationship than the majority of heterosexuals I know.
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>No matter how much the progressive television and movie programs show gay parents to be salt of the earth and those nasty heteros as evil.
Odd but the people I hear that line from most often are homophobic bigots. I don't know anyone who thinks heteros are evil just because they are hetero.
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>Also, I am not the best biblical person. Just remembered people in a neighborhood taking care of families and helping their neighbors and volunteering and watching nuns work for nothing and getting us to the next generation at a price several times less then it costs today. And the costs are only going to go up.
Yes the cost of living has increased. I just can't see how that is the fault of SSM.
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>That is why any male getting married better be sure today. And more then that, any white male. If you are wrong, you will pay. It may be better to go to prison and stop working.
misogynistic and racist as well as homophobic. You ought to give yourself an award just like Dean Mathew D. Staver of the Liberty Counsel plans to do.

Since: Jan 08

Thailand

#35 Aug 29, 2013
ragnarlodbrok wrote:
<quoted text>
You have made 30,334 posts!? You are indeed the Idiot King. What a wonderful and rich life you lead. 30,334 posts. ROFLMAO Glad to know your life is so absent of meaning and value. You should print a T-shirt that says 30,000+ Topix Post - I am Woodtick the Idiot King.
At least he registered. You, on the other hand,...
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#36 Aug 29, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Woodtick, I'm not going to wade through a 3-hour video just to find some quote that you claim to be able to cite from memory, which will turn out not to be there. Based on you so-called "clear memory" here, I call BS.
I can find no evidence that Santorum -- as you claim -- "openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."
If you want to provide the evidence, do so. Quote directly and exactly from the video and give the exact time of the quote. Don't make me do your work.
I don't believe that he ever "clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships." He wouldn't even use such language.
Does he want law to have a moral basis? Perhaps, but so what -- so do many people, and that wouldn't necessarily "turn the US into a theocracy." Just admit to the hyperbole and we can put a fork in this.
And this is why your average joe is a low info person. I took me a whole 30 sec to do a google search and come back with a ton of articles, videos, and such.

Here's some nice quotes since you are too lazy you actually educate yourself:

"Now, unlike Islam where the higher law and civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law.

Our civil laws have to … and that’s why, with the issue of abortion, as long as abortion is "legal" – at least according to the Supreme Court, "legal" in this country – we will never have rest because that law does not comport with God’s law which says that all life has value, all life is created by [God,] I knew you in the womb."

"So, to clarify: In Islam, God’s laws and the civil laws are one-and-the-same and that is theocracy and that is bad … whereas here in the United States, our civil laws merely must be in accordance with God’s law, and that is not theocracy and that is good."

So here he wants our "civil" laws to be in accordance with "god's" laws. But we do not follow god's law in the USA, we follow the laws of the USA.

There are plenty more out there. I guess if people actually paid attention during their nomiations (circus) they might have actually known what those canadates stood for.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#38 Aug 29, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
And this is why your average joe is a low info person. I took me a whole 30 sec to do a google search and come back with a ton of articles, videos, and such.
Here's some nice quotes since you are too lazy you actually educate yourself:
"Now, unlike Islam where the higher law and civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law.
Our civil laws have to … and that’s why, with the issue of abortion, as long as abortion is "legal" – at least according to the Supreme Court, "legal" in this country – we will never have rest because that law does not comport with God’s law which says that all life has value, all life is created by [God,] I knew you in the womb."
"So, to clarify: In Islam, God’s laws and the civil laws are one-and-the-same and that is theocracy and that is bad … whereas here in the United States, our civil laws merely must be in accordance with God’s law, and that is not theocracy and that is good."
So here he wants our "civil" laws to be in accordance with "god's" laws. But we do not follow god's law in the USA, we follow the laws of the USA.
There are plenty more out there. I guess if people actually paid attention during their nominations (circus) they might have actually known what those candidates stood for.
Here's a question for you.

Anti gays often cite the story of Sodom to justify their persecution of Gays and Lesbians, claiming God condemns all gays and lesbians.

Using that Bible story can't we conclude that God is also favorable to fathers who sexually molest their children?
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#39 Aug 29, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Not by me. One is committing adultery. One isn't. One took vows to be faithful. One didn't.
<quoted text>Important to whom?
<quoted text>Care to post links to your "facts"? The "married" gays and lesbians I know have all had much longer and more faithful relationship than the majority of heterosexuals I know.
<quoted text>Odd but the people I hear that line from most often are homophobic bigots. I don't know anyone who thinks heteros are evil just because they are hetero.
<quoted text>Yes the cost of living has increased. I just can't see how that is the fault of SSM.
<quoted text> misogynistic and racist as well as homophobic. You ought to give yourself an award just like Dean Mathew D. Staver of the Liberty Counsel plans to do.
It doesn't matter. The strengthening of the traditional family is needed. and if thew house of cards falls, you will feel the wrath of what you caused. Don't blame me for telling you what will happen. Like you I am trying to survive also. People becoming impoverished causes lots of issues with people against others. You should know that. Worrying about gay marriage without making the relationship foundation stronger between gays and straights was a mistake. Oh well. Back to the drawing board.

“Post-religious”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#40 Aug 29, 2013
Lamer wrote:
<quoted text>
And this is why your average joe is a low info person. I took me a whole 30 sec to do a google search and come back with a ton of articles, videos, and such.
Here's some nice quotes since you are too lazy you actually educate yourself:
"Now, unlike Islam where the higher law and civil law are the same, in our case, we have civil laws but our civil laws have to comport with the higher law.
Our civil laws have to … and that’s why, with the issue of abortion, as long as abortion is "legal" – at least according to the Supreme Court, "legal" in this country – we will never have rest because that law does not comport with God’s law which says that all life has value, all life is created by [God,] I knew you in the womb."
"So, to clarify: In Islam, God’s laws and the civil laws are one-and-the-same and that is theocracy and that is bad … whereas here in the United States, our civil laws merely must be in accordance with God’s law, and that is not theocracy and that is good."
So here he wants our "civil" laws to be in accordance with "god's" laws. But we do not follow god's law in the USA, we follow the laws of the USA.
There are plenty more out there. I guess if people actually paid attention during their nomiations (circus) they might have actually known what those canadates stood for.
Have you read Martin Luther King's Letter from Birmingham City Jail? He also argued that all laws should comport with higher "moral" law, and as a Christian minister, he wasn't talking about the Quran.

King wrote: "How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law."

And yet, no one argues that MLK "openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."

Because he didn't. Neither did the moron Santorum. He never said such a thing.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#41 Aug 29, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> It doesn't matter. The strengthening of the traditional family is needed. and if thew house of cards falls, you will feel the wrath of what you caused.
WHAT? Gays and lesbians are responsible for the failed marriages of people like you?

Get a grip!
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>Don't blame me for telling you what will happen. Like you I am trying to survive also. People becoming impoverished causes lots of issues with people against others. You should know that. Worrying about gay marriage without making the relationship foundation stronger between gays and straights was a mistake. Oh well. Back to the drawing board.
Why should I blame you for your fantasies and failed strategies?

You said it yourself.

Worrying about gay marriage without making the relationship foundation stronger between gays and straights was a mistake.

Too bad you already ate all the cheese I had saved for your whine.
conservative crapola

Orefield, PA

#43 Aug 30, 2013
PA Governor (cough) Corbett, compares gay couples to children.
This is just another reason tom corbett/sandusky has a 20% approval rating.
McIver

Twickenham, UK

#44 Sep 2, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
Sodomy between men is such a lovely concept. Yuuuch!!!

So in your mind does sodomy between women actually work in the flesh? Surely it would require a substitute phallus.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#45 Sep 2, 2013
Jerald wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Woodtick, I'm not going to wade through a 3-hour video just to find some quote that you claim to be able to cite from memory, which will turn out not to be there. Based on you so-called "clear memory" here, I call BS.
I can find no evidence that Santorum -- as you claim -- "openly stated he wanted to turn the US into a theocracy."
If you want to provide the evidence, do so. Quote directly and exactly from the video and give the exact time of the quote. Don't make me do your work.
I don't believe that he ever "clearly states he wants to make all US law abide by the rules set up by the proven false god his religious cult worships." He wouldn't even use such language.
Does he want law to have a moral basis? Perhaps, but so what -- so do many people, and that wouldn't necessarily "turn the US into a theocracy." Just admit to the hyperbole and we can put a fork in this.
no, of course he didn't use that language, he stated he wanted to make the laws of the US coincide with the laws set forth by god.(again not a direct quote.) he stated this several times in his campaign.

the reason i marked that one video was for proof of the many people who supported him yet didn't seem to listen to what he was actually saying in his stump speeches.

no,i don't expect you to listen to the whole event, as it is pretty pointless now as Santorum is a footnote in political history, but it is there, he did say it many times and the complacent US electorate seemed to just let such an incredible statement slide on by...

sad.

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