VA decision on burial rights departs from past

Feb 15, 2013 Full story: MilitaryCity.com 12

The government has cleared the first burial of a same-sex spouse of a veteran in a national cemetery , but it's far from certain how easy it will be for other gay military couples to win the same benefit.

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Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#1 Feb 16, 2013
The simple question is: are spouses of heterosexual veterans allowed to be buried in the cemetery? If they are then there should be no reason to bar the spouses of gay veterans.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#2 Feb 16, 2013
Interesting choice of words here...
'Shinseki has the authority to deem others eligible for burial at a VA cemetery as he believes necessary, regardless of the wording of the Defense of Marriage Act. The VA said in a statement he did not base his decision to grant burial rights based on the couple's marital status but on evidence of a "committed relationship between the individual and the veteran." Also, the department made clear the decision was not intended to create any right or benefit for anyone other than Lynchild.'
So in other words, he gets to play god. What is his definition of a 'committed relationship? I would like to see him justify this to his superiors...ha ha...Is this man looking for a law suit?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#3 Feb 16, 2013
The Mad Man wrote:
Interesting choice of words here...
'Shinseki has the authority to deem others eligible for burial at a VA cemetery as he believes necessary, regardless of the wording of the Defense of Marriage Act. The VA said in a statement he did not base his decision to grant burial rights based on the couple's marital status but on evidence of a "committed relationship between the individual and the veteran." Also, the department made clear the decision was not intended to create any right or benefit for anyone other than Lynchild.'
So in other words, he gets to play god. What is his definition of a 'committed relationship? I would like to see him justify this to his superiors...ha ha...Is this man looking for a law suit?
Sue all you want; the VA gets to decide who gets buried in national cemeteries. While DOMA prevents him from recognizing a married same-sex couple, he can decide to approve the burial of anyone for any other reason.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Feb 16, 2013
Gay And Proud wrote:
The simple question is: are spouses of heterosexual veterans allowed to be buried in the cemetery? If they are then there should be no reason to bar the spouses of gay veterans.
DOMA bars him from recognizing them as a spouse.

That said, the VA Secretary can approve burials of any "partners" or "friends" or "pals" or "buddies" or even a total stranger for that matter.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#5 Feb 17, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Sue all you want; the VA gets to decide who gets buried in national cemeteries. While DOMA prevents him from recognizing a married same-sex couple, he can decide to approve the burial of anyone for any other reason.
And that is the right thing to do? Really? After the governments most recent action, and the choice of who (or whom) is allowed to be buried, could set the road of what is to come. It's one rule or another. I am for gay couples being buried next to their spouse but not by picking and choosing according to the govt's choice.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#6 Feb 17, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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DOMA bars him from recognizing them as a spouse.
That said, the VA Secretary can approve burials of any "partners" or "friends" or "pals" or "buddies" or even a total stranger for that matter.
Jacqueline Kennedy required special permission to be buried next to her former husband. Remarried wives lose the right to be buried next to their former husbands.'According to the govt.' rule book.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Feb 17, 2013
The Mad Man wrote:
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And that is the right thing to do? Really? After the governments most recent action, and the choice of who (or whom) is allowed to be buried, could set the road of what is to come. It's one rule or another. I am for gay couples being buried next to their spouse but not by picking and choosing according to the govt's choice.
Until DOMA is overtuned, the VA has no choice but to go case by case. The only other option is to open up the national cemeteries to everyone.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Feb 17, 2013
The Mad Man wrote:
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Jacqueline Kennedy required special permission to be buried next to her former husband. Remarried wives lose the right to be buried next to their former husbands.'According to the govt.' rule book.
The Army controls Arlington National Cemetery, and they have their own rules. But that was yet another example of a case-by-case exemption from the rules.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#9 Feb 17, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The Army controls Arlington National Cemetery, and they have their own rules. But that was yet another example of a case-by-case exemption from the rules.
And why should there be an 'exemption' of the rules on a case by case history of what the govt can and can not do? J. Edgar Hoover history was known but never revealed until later years and he was buried with full military honors in spite of 'the files that were never found'. Another fine example of 'exception to the rule'. How many others will have to be 'subjected' this exception to the rule for glory and honor?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Feb 17, 2013
The Mad Man wrote:
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And why should there be an 'exemption' of the rules on a case by case history of what the govt can and can not do? J. Edgar Hoover history was known but never revealed until later years and he was buried with full military honors in spite of 'the files that were never found'. Another fine example of 'exception to the rule'. How many others will have to be 'subjected' this exception to the rule for glory and honor?
If you have a problem with it, then go whine to the VA Secretary.
The Mad Man

Long Beach, CA

#11 Feb 18, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If you have a problem with it, then go whine to the VA Secretary.
Nice to see the attitude. Sounds like I am chatting with the VA Secretary.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Feb 18, 2013
The Mad Man wrote:
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Nice to see the attitude. Sounds like I am chatting with the VA Secretary.
Yep, you uncovered by secret identity- I'm actually General Shinseki.......

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