'Selma and Stonewall': Gay rights issues divide black civil rights leaders

Jan 28, 2013 Full story: blog.al.com 117

With his public endorsement of legalizing same sex marriage in May and last week's inaugural speech linking the civil rights movement of the 1960s to the struggles facing LGBT activists today, President Barack Obama has forced black civil rights leaders to confront an issue that sometimes divides them.

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JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#94 Jan 29, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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I stand for the 2nd big time moron.....I own many guns....END THE FED is a motto I lvie by..I am a Ron paul Barry Goldwater REAL COSNERVATIVE..........Time to get government out of people lives and otu of who they marryed and love.........I KNOW YOU ANZI PIGS HATE FREEDOM AND EQUALITY...But to bad...LEAVE THEN...Hear Iran fits you nazi pigs good...
"sickofit" = "ToManyLaws" = dipstick

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#96 Jan 29, 2013
Brown Lipstick wrote:
Get help! Going after the boy scouts is the tipping point. You should not be allowed to be raising children either. This is a national security crisis and the future of this nation and the principles of morality are further in danger!
Yeah, if we don't end the morals based on ignorance and mythology like yours, we will fall too far behind the other countries and look like neanderthals in history.

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#97 Jan 29, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
Most blacks are hypocritical and bigoted towards LGBT people.
Actually most of the WHITE people, mainly Republicans, are the bigoted ones towards LGBT people

59% of black people in the USA support equal marriage rights for gays.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#99 Jan 30, 2013
CaliforniaChillin wrote:
There are about two decent groups left in this country where folks are allowed to keep out undesireables for the good of the club. Once being Country Clubs keepinf out blacks so it`s members can enjoy some peace & quiet. The other being Boy Scouts to stay in line with the teachings of moral code, decency, and to offer that extra bit of child safety. Why can`t it just stay this way? Homosexuals will NEVER agree with this but they can exercise their freedom of speech by playing the "fear", "ignorance", "moral/religion", cards all they want in web forums.
Homosexuals are not the only ones seeing a problem with your idiotic status quo.
Beauty Queen

Alton, UK

#100 Jan 30, 2013
Dirty White Schlepper wrote:
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Internet troll ....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#103 Jan 30, 2013
CaliforniaChillin wrote:
<quoted text>Then go cry about it. Nothing will change people on either side of the argument. Never ever.
People are changing their minds for the better all the time. Even Obama changed his mind on the matter. Just because you prefer to be a neanderthal doesn't mean anyone else as ignorant as you wants to remain ignorant.

Since: Mar 07

Woodford, VA

#105 Jan 30, 2013
CaliforniaChillin wrote:
<quoted text>Then go cry about it. Nothing will change people on either side of the argument. Never ever.
That's not always true. A lot of bigots learn their mistake when they find that someone they love is gay.

It's hard to hate the people you love.

Since: Mar 07

Woodford, VA

#106 Jan 30, 2013
Brown Lipstick wrote:
Get help! Going after the boy scouts is the tipping point. You should not be allowed to be raising children either. This is a national security crisis and the future of this nation and the principles of morality are further in danger!
My kids both made the Honor Roll this marking period. Did yours?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107 Jan 30, 2013
CaliforniaChillin wrote:
<quoted text>Ah yes, the "neanderthal" and "ignorant" card. Close minded approaches and assumptions about others will get you nowhere when trying to make a point. I`m not talking about my personal views on homosexuality, but you being a knee jerk reactionary wouldn`t be able to understand that.
When you try to force everyone to live according to your opinion, then you are wrong no matter how you spin it.
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#108 Jan 30, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Not sure what your point is here. Equal rights struggles are the same in that they are seeking equal treatment under the law.
so do polygamists, but you hate discussing that one...

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#109 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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so do polygamists, but you hate discussing that one...
Again, allowing otherwise legally qualified gay couples to participate under the laws currently in effect does not change anything for straight people. Their marriages remain the same. The social dynamics for them remain the same.

Polygamy is something very different, and inherently unequal in structure, as the Jeffs cult among others demonstrates. It is not equal because it requires changing the rules for straight people, and changes the social dynamics for straight people. You are free to argue for polygamy, but it is a very different argument.

Since: Oct 12

Coolidge, AZ

#110 Jan 30, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Again, allowing otherwise legally qualified gay couples to participate under the laws currently in effect does not change anything for straight people. Their marriages remain the same. The social dynamics for them remain the same.
Polygamy is something very different, and inherently unequal in structure, as the Jeffs cult among others demonstrates. It is not equal because it requires changing the rules for straight people, and changes the social dynamics for straight people. You are free to argue for polygamy, but it is a very different argument.
And I'd like to point out that when a person says that they are in favor only of "biblical marriage", "biblical marriage" IS polygamy where a man basically owns his wife, and wives, as slaves.

Modern-day heterosexual marriages are NOT "biblical" marriages. Marriage is obviously an institution that has changed, and continues to change, throughout the world over a period of thousands of years.
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#111 Jan 30, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Polygamy is something very different, and inherently unequal in structure,
I just love when you say this stuff...

They said the same thing about interracial marriages, RIGHT?
You were probably lighting crosses up back then...
(see how easy that is?)

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#112 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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I just love when you say this stuff...
They said the same thing about interracial marriages, RIGHT?
You were probably lighting crosses up back then...
(see how easy that is?)
And yet you fail to address the points made, demonstrating once again, ad hominem attacks remain the refuge of those with no argument on the merits.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#113 Jan 30, 2013
Cal In AZ wrote:
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And I'd like to point out that when a person says that they are in favor only of "biblical marriage", "biblical marriage" IS polygamy where a man basically owns his wife, and wives, as slaves.
Modern-day heterosexual marriages are NOT "biblical" marriages. Marriage is obviously an institution that has changed, and continues to change, throughout the world over a period of thousands of years.
Well said. Additionally, they fail to address the fact there are 8 different types of marriage in the bible.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#116 Jan 30, 2013
The State of Snakes wrote:
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One of my biggest mistakes on topix is revealing to gays my personal life and love for my family. As one might expect from gays their disdain for any successful marriage is defamed or challenged by the few. Your own post and so called 'family' would indicate that.
Most people who call their marriage "successful" are often lying to themselves. I had a couple of friends, when I was growing up I babysat for them, one of the few really good Mormon families. But they weren't a great family because they were "successful," they weren't a great family because they were always glad to see each other. On the contrary, they grew tired of each other quite often, all three of their children and the parents as well. I tutored their youngest daughter regularly, because I was the only babysitter in the neighborhood who could communicate with sign language. They were successful because they admitted they had problems, and lots of them. By admitting they had problems.

It's like intelligence, the more a person makes the claim they have it, the less they actually do have. But the irony is that you actually admit that your marriage is not successful, if gay people getting equal rights threatens your marriage at all, then it's probably worse than a Hollywood marriage.
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#117 Jan 30, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And yet you fail to address the points made, demonstrating once again, ad hominem attacks remain the refuge of those with no argument on the merits.
its not ad hominem, its one of your favorite arguments that you don't like walking into...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#118 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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so do polygamists, but you hate discussing that one...
Still on the polygamy bandwagon?

Most reasonable people see a clear difference between 2 people marrying and one guy marrying 4 or 5 women at once.

They've had marriage for same-sex couples in Massachusetts for almost a decade now and there is no indication the courts or legislature or voters are jumping on your bandwagon.

But it's a nice distraction from the subject at hand......
straight shooter

Montpelier, VT

#119 Jan 30, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Most reasonable people see a clear difference between 2 people marrying and one guy marrying 4 or 5 women at once.
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"we all know they are different" is a rational answer now?

most people see a clear difference between a man and a woman and the relationships in between them...
so how is polygamy different again?

Polygamy proves we as a society can, and do, legitimately prefer certain family structures over others...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#120 Jan 30, 2013
straight shooter wrote:
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"we all know they are different" is a rational answer now?
most people see a clear difference between a man and a woman and the relationships in between them...
so how is polygamy different again?
Polygamy proves we as a society can, and do, legitimately prefer certain family structures over others...
Polygamy is different because society views it differently.

Rational or not, it's just not going to matter. How society views same-sex relationships has changed significantly over the past 10 years.

You know it, I know it, everybody knows it's only a matter of time before same-sex couples can marry nationwide.

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