Poll: Majority Supports Path to Citizenship for Illegal Immigrants

Nov 14, 2012 Full story: KVOR-AM Colorado Springs 1,475

Most Americans support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, an issue that may be high on the agenda of newly re-elected President Obama and the 113th Congress, given the increased importance of nonwhites -- including Hispanic voters -- in the nation's political equation.

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FritoBandito

San Diego, CA

#545 Dec 12, 2012
Cricket 23 wrote:
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LOL!!!
Does that include the ones that they turn back at the border?
Ariz. Sheriff:
Feds Order Release of Illegals to Phony Up Numbers
Monday, 09 May 2011 02:59 PM
By Jim Meyers and Ashley Martella
The U.S. Border Patrol has told its agents to stop arresting illegal aliens crossing the border from Mexico to keep the illegal immigration numbers down, Arizona Sheriff Larry Dever tells Newsmax.
He also charges that Attorney General Eric Holder is “holding hands with the ACLU” to protect illegal aliens from prosecution, says illegals are committing “heinous crimes” across America every day, and calls claims that the federal government should be solely responsible for controlling illegal immigration “balderdash.”
Dever is sheriff of Cochise County, which shares an 83-mile border with Mexico, and he says his Border Patrol sector is responsible for half of all illegal aliens caught trying to enter the country and halt the narcotics entering the United States.
Story continues below video.
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If you're laughing, its because there's some truth to it. I was there. I know how they function and how chicken sh!t they are. They take the path of least resistance. They're as typical knuckle dragging bureaucrats as you are a propagandist with no teeth.

You're a joke, grasping for straws, while nothing gets done.
FritoBandito

San Diego, CA

#546 Dec 12, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
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It has been pretty much established that Obama has NOT deported more, what they did was count every one they were deporting repeatidly...as in the same person deported a number of times, was being counted as an illegal deported like it was a different person. If I wrap and rewrap the same present 10 times and you wrap 5 presents.....I didn't wrap more presents than you. DUH!!!
Got a link?

If they're re-deporting the same alien, then maybe there aren't that many out there committing crimes like the right wing media would have you think, or could it be some Criminal Investigator slouch, getting his kidneys black with coffee grinds, that doesn't want to get out and do the job the way he/she should, and go out and catch more criminal illegals? Most of the time, they're just sitting there at your local friendly Federal Building, giving the impression they are working. Sounds like a bureaucrat to me.

You be the judge.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#547 Dec 12, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
<quoted text>
Got a link?
If they're re-deporting the same alien, then maybe there aren't that many out there committing crimes like the right wing media would have you think, or could it be some Criminal Investigator slouch, getting his kidneys black with coffee grinds, that doesn't want to get out and do the job the way he/she should, and go out and catch more criminal illegals? Most of the time, they're just sitting there at your local friendly Federal Building, giving the impression they are working. Sounds like a bureaucrat to me.
You be the judge.
“It is dishonest to count illegal immigrants apprehended by the Border Patrol along the border as ICE removals,” Smith explained in a statement.“And these ‘removals’ from the Border Patrol program do not subject the illegal immigrant to any penalties or bars for returning to the U.S. This means a single illegal immigrant can show up at the border and be removed numerous times in a single year — and counted each time as a removal.”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/anoth...

I imagine all administrations have skewed numbers of those supposedly that have been deported. The accounting seems faulty. For instance, I don't think one person being deported five times in the same year should be counted as five people being deported...it's just one guy.
FritoBandito

San Diego, CA

#548 Dec 12, 2012
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>“It is dishonest to count illegal immigrants apprehended by the Border Patrol along the border as ICE removals,” Smith explained in a statement.“And these ‘removals’ from the Border Patrol program do not subject the illegal immigrant to any penalties or bars for returning to the U.S. This means a single illegal immigrant can show up at the border and be removed numerous times in a single year — and counted each time as a removal.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/anoth...
I imagine all administrations have skewed numbers of those supposedly that have been deported. The accounting seems faulty. For instance, I don't think one person being deported five times in the same year should be counted as five people being deported...it's just one guy.
In Border Patrol lingo, that's called a I-274 voluntary return (v/r). That's the easiest way out. After anywhere from three to as high as five apprehensions, then a formal deportation is given. The paperwork is tedious.

The system is set-up that way to not be overburdened. In legal terms, the number of apprehensions have to be counted as separate arrests to bolster the deportation charge.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#549 Dec 12, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
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In Border Patrol lingo, that's called a I-274 voluntary return (v/r). That's the easiest way out. After anywhere from three to as high as five apprehensions, then a formal deportation is given. The paperwork is tedious.
The system is set-up that way to not be overburdened. In legal terms, the number of apprehensions have to be counted as separate arrests to bolster the deportation charge.
I see what you are saying, but it does skew the numbers, don't you think? Thanks for being courteous...I mean that and appreciate it. I know we have different points of view, and I prefer to talk rather than argue. So I really mean what I said, thank you.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#550 Dec 12, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
<quoted text>
Got a link?
If they're re-deporting the same alien, then maybe there aren't that many out there committing crimes like the right wing media would have you think, or could it be some Criminal Investigator slouch, getting his kidneys black with coffee grinds, that doesn't want to get out and do the job the way he/she should, and go out and catch more criminal illegals? Most of the time, they're just sitting there at your local friendly Federal Building, giving the impression they are working. Sounds like a bureaucrat to me.
You be the judge.
If they are "out there" here....then they are already guilty of committing a crime! DUH!!!! Call them "alien" if you makes you feel better, but it fools no one, they are still ILLEGAL alien's!!!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#552 Dec 13, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
<quoted text>

If you're laughing, its because there's some truth to it.

I was there.

I know how they function and how chicken sh!t they are.

They take the path of least resistance.

They're as typical knuckle dragging bureaucrats as you are a propagandist with no teeth.

You're a joke, grasping for straws, while nothing gets done.
If you knew about it, did you do the right thing and turn them in

or just whine like you're doing now??

lol

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#553 Dec 13, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
<quoted text>

Got a link?

If they're re-deporting the same alien, then maybe there aren't that many out there committing crimes like the right wing media would have you think, or could it be some Criminal Investigator slouch, getting his kidneys black with coffee grinds, that doesn't want to get out and do the job the way he/she should, and go out and catch more criminal illegals? Most of the time, they're just sitting there at your local friendly Federal Building, giving the impression they are working. Sounds like a bureaucrat to me.
You be the judge.
"alien"?

"Immigration refers to the movement of people between countries.

While the movement of people has existed throughout human history at various levels, modern immigration implies long-term, legal, permanent residence. Short-term visitors and tourists are considered non-immigrants (see expatriate). Immigration across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country is termed illegal immigration."

"Illegal immigration refers to immigration across national borders in a way that violates the immigration laws of the destination country. Under this definition, an illegal immigrant is a foreigner who either has illegally crossed an international political border, be it by land, water, or air, or a foreigner who has entered a country legally but then overstays his/her visa. "

See the difference?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#554 Dec 13, 2012
FritoBandito wrote:
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In Border Patrol lingo, that's called a I-274 voluntary return (v/r). That's the easiest way out.

Example:

Illegal immigrant self-deports, avoids prosecution in trailer theft case

WHEAT RIDGE, Colo.- Bobby Wallace showed up at the Jefferson County Courthouse on Monday expecting justice.

Instead, the 81-year-old found out the illegal immigrant accused of stealing his trailer is avoiding all felony prosecution and 12 years in prison, because he was flown home to Mexico, courtesy of the federal government, at taxpayer expense.

"Some of it does not make any sense," said Wallace.

Outraged Jefferson County DA, Scott Storey agreed. "How can you understand this, it makes no sense?"

Read rest of story below:

http://www.kwgn.com/news/kdvr-110110,0,180881...

Illegal aliens are self-deporting from Georgia

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“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#555 Dec 13, 2012
Steven Camarota, the Center's Director of Research, notes, "There is simply no question immigration makes for a much larger and more densely settled country, but it is not a cure for an aging society."

Among the findings:

If net immigration (difference between those coming and going) unfolds as the Census Bureau estimated in the last set of projections, the nation's population will increase from 309 million in 2010 to 436 million in 2050 — a 127 million (41 percent) increase.
The projected increase of 127 million is larger than the combined populations of the U.K. and France.
By itself future immigration will account for 96 million (75 percent) of future population growth.
The immigrant (legal and illegal) share of the population will reach one in six U.S. residents by 2030, a new record, and nearly one in five residents by 2050.
The Center for Immigration Studies, as well as other researchers, has found that immigration levels have fallen somewhat in recent years. While there is no way to know if the level will remain lower, this change can be incorporated into these projections:
A one-third reduction in the Census Bureau's level of net immigration over the next four decades (2010-2050) produces a total U.S. population of 404 million in 2050 — a 95 million increase over 2010.
Even if immigration is half what the Census Bureau expects, the population will still grow 79 million by 2050, with immigration accounting for 61 percent of population growth.
The underlying level of immigration is so high, even assuming a substantial reduction would still add tens of millions of new residents to the U.S. population and account for most of the population growth.
Consistent with prior research, the projections show immigration only slightly increases the working-age (18 to 65) share of the population. Assuming the Census Bureau's immigration level, 58 percent of the population will be of working-age in 2050, compared to 57 percent if there is no immigration.
Raising the retirement age by one year would have a larger positive impact on the working-age share over the next 40 years then would the Census Bureau's projected level of net immigration (68 million).
While immigrants tend to arrive relatively young and have higher fertility than natives, immigrants age just like everyone else, and the differences with natives are not large enough to fundamentally increase the share of the population who are potential workers.

Dave
annie

Naperville, IL

#558 Dec 18, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
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If they are "out there" here....then they are already guilty of committing a crime! DUH!!!! Call them "alien" if you makes you feel better, but it fools no one, they are still ILLEGAL alien's!!!
If you don't acknowledge their crimes; they aren't committing any

Driving w/o license
" " insurance
identity theft
crossing the border w/o immigration papers

sexual assalt (sp) of children
welfare fraud
driving while drunk; murder while driving drunk
drug importation
gang violence

these are all the things they do to support a family
annie

Naperville, IL

#563 Dec 18, 2012
ronnie wrote:
The audacity of this Poll comes into question. Misleading and deceptive polls everywhere. I will never trust polls again. I honestly believe LaRattsa' s probably responsible for most. Even legal immigrants are complaining now. It's also the demographic's of the poll as well.If a Politician only panders to hispanics for votes, Americans are screwed....
Americans, does that mean Candians and Mexicans too?
What's the statistical sampling?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#567 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
<quoted text>

I used the word "thuggery", if by chance you missed it.

Both sides had their hands in the cookie jar. You just want to side with one side.

That's why you're an obvious propagandist, with a small bite.
I did notice you mention Kennedy's name once when you were defending him, while you were raking President Reagan over the coals!

"Frito Bandito" quote:

"He won. Whatever he's done so far can't compare with what your Republican King (Reagan) did.

Don't come off either with that pro GOP crap that Kennedy had something to do with it in order for you to deflect.

Reagan was holding the bus tickets. At the time, he needed to appease the financial support he had received from big agri-business, which contributed significantly to his second term win."

LOL!!!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#568 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
My whine is first hand, while yours is just useless hyperbole,

involving some links as outdated as the Brooklyn Dodgers.
And your whining about President Reagan dates back to 1986!

Do you really want to go there??

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#569 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
<quoted text>

You're not much of a teacher either.
Just enough to teach you the difference between aliens and illegal aliens, that's all I need.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#570 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
<quoted text>

WTF is this...?

I was talking about the paperwork set-up and how they afford a v/r to ease backlog and you come off with this crap?

So what!

What they should be doing is privatizing some aspects of enforcement.

For example, if an agent makes a quality bust (false claim to US citizenship or the like) he should be paid extra.

If he tracks a load of 100 or more, the same pay principle should be applied. Then you'll see these robots move to make the bigger buck.

As it stands, they're on a set gravy chain salary, whether they work hard or not.

You don't realize how many skate by and get promoted with little effort, allot of it as a reward by higher ups who deem them as having fit the mold of their "good ole boy" clique.

It's a pathetic outfit that's poorly managed and needs revamping.
Relax Man,I'm not your enemy,from your posts it would appear that you have an ax to grind with your old employer, The Border Patrol.

Did you get fired or what?

"For example, if an agent makes a quality bust (false claim to US citizenship or the like) he should be paid extra."

Now that sounds like Bounty Hunter talk.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#571 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
<quoted text>

To think they're all like that is stupid and it leaves you open to being labeled a bigot, but maybe that's what you want.

Bottom line: most come here to work.
Sounds like you were supporting the illegal aliens while you were working for the Border Patrol

Is that why you lost your job?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#572 Dec 18, 2012
Frito Bandito wrote:
Bottom line: most come here to work.
But you don't mention the fact that they break the very immigration laws that you were suppose to enforce, or that they use stolen or false Social Security cards to work here.

What don't you and I talk about this:

Illegal Aliens Receive Billions in IRS Tax Benefits

Friday, 23 Sep 2011 05:17 PM

By James Walsh

On July 7, 2011, the U.S. Department of Treasury's inspector general for tax administration issued a startling report entitled "Individuals Who Are Not Authorized to Work in the United States Were Paid $4.2 Billion in Refundable Credits."

No wonder the nation's finances are in turmoil.

It is clear that unauthorized aliens are filing ITIN tax returns with fraudulent data. The Treasury report found that

"One common type of fraudulent refund involves taxpayers fabricating a Wage and Tax Statement"

(Form W-2) that shows excess withholding and results in a tax refund."

Read more on Newsmax.com : Illegal Aliens Receive Billions in IRS Tax Benefits

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"Frito Bandito"] Quote:

******"Bottom line: most come here to work."******

You ready to retract that statement?

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#573 Dec 18, 2012
Why. Darn Computer!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#574 Dec 18, 2012
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