Pa. pastor defrocked after performing gay wedding

There are 20 comments on the Dec 19, 2013, The Virginian-Pilot story titled Pa. pastor defrocked after performing gay wedding. In it, The Virginian-Pilot reports that:

The Rev. Frank Schaefer, a United Methodist clergyman convicted of breaking church law for officiating at his son's same-sex wedding, speaks during a news conference, Monday, Dec. 16, 2013, at the Arch Street United Methodist Church in Philadelphia.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Dec 19, 2013
Well, I hope he decides to join a more loving Christian denomination and continues his preaching.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Dec 19, 2013
In addition, if the congregation still wants to retain him as pastor, they could choose to do so, and just not any longer be affiliated with the UMC.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#3 Dec 19, 2013
Not all Methodist churches are hate-based. Methodists are among the pioneers of reconciling ministries--churches that are working hard to overcome bigotry and hate and show unconditional love to *all* people, not just the wealthy, white, heterosexual ones.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#4 Dec 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
Not all Methodist churches are hate-based. Methodists are among the pioneers of reconciling ministries--churches that are working hard to overcome bigotry and hate and show unconditional love to *all* people, not just the wealthy, white, heterosexual ones.
Rev. Frank Schaefer's church is a reconciling ministries church
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Cheers for them if they vote to dump the United franchise and become independent Methodists

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Dec 19, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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Rev. Frank Schaefer's church is a reconciling ministries church
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Cheers for them if they vote to dump the United franchise and become independent Methodists
I'm not up on the rules, but isn't it pretty hard for them to claim to be a reconciling church when they still harbor gay panic?

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#6 Dec 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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I'm not up on the rules, but isn't it pretty hard for them to claim to be a reconciling church when they still harbor gay panic?
It's not the congregation that defrocked him.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#7 Dec 19, 2013
The denomination defrocked him. The congregation can keep him as their pastor if they wish to do so.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#8 Dec 19, 2013
Who was it that said to do TRUE evil, it takes religion?

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#9 Dec 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
Who was it that said to do TRUE evil, it takes religion?
The Obamaniac probably. Everybody knows he's a devout Marxist.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Dec 19, 2013
eJohn wrote:
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I'm not up on the rules, but isn't it pretty hard for them to claim to be a reconciling church when they still harbor gay panic?
It is a slow dance that has been dragging along for 33 years
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Here is the link to the 22,000 member Reconciling Ministries Network
http://www.rmnetwork.org/

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#11 Dec 19, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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It is a slow dance that has been dragging along for 33 years
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Here is the link to the 22,000 member Reconciling Ministries Network
http://www.rmnetwork.org/
ELCA & UCC welcome LGBT people, allow us to marry in their churches and they ordain LGBT people. He could just switch to ELCA or UCC.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Dec 19, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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ELCA & UCC welcome LGBT people, allow us to marry in their churches and they ordain LGBT people. He could just switch to ELCA or UCC.
If the 22,000 LGBTs all walk out of the church together; it will rattle the foundations of the United's silly rich white republican homophobic racist supremacists who thought they had the sheeple marching in lock step
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Their kangaroo court will suffer a terminal meltdown

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#13 Dec 19, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
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If the 22,000 LGBTs all walk out of the church together; it will rattle the foundations of the United's silly rich white republican homophobic racist supremacists who thought they had the sheeple marching in lock step
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Their kangaroo court will suffer a terminal meltdown
The fact of the matter is this; if every LGBT music director/organist walked out, the Methodists would have no music on Sunday morning.

I wish they had the balls to do it.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#14 Dec 19, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The denomination defrocked him. The congregation can keep him as their pastor if they wish to do so.
Under Church rules they can't retain anyone as their minister who has been defrocked.

Spin again.

You're making as much sense as the people defending the Colorado Baker.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Dec 19, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
The denomination defrocked him. The congregation can keep him as their pastor if they wish to do so.
Sort of like how you advised Canadians in Newfoundland to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#16 Dec 20, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Under Church rules they can't retain anyone as their minister who has been defrocked.
Spin again.
You're making as much sense as the people defending the Colorado Baker.
They could leave the denomination. But that has its own complications.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#17 Dec 20, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Under Church rules they can't retain anyone as their minister who has been defrocked.
Spin again.
You're making as much sense as the people defending the Colorado Baker.
They can employ anyone they want as a pastor. They just wouldn't be affiliated with UMC anymore.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#18 Dec 20, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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They could leave the denomination. But that has its own complications.
Not really. In any denomination the money flows UP from the local church to the denomination's headquarters. Leaving the UMC, if that's what they choose to do, would save them money.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#19 Dec 20, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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They can employ anyone they want as a pastor. They just wouldn't be affiliated with UMC anymore.
And that usually means they lose their physical plant.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#20 Dec 20, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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And that usually means they lose their physical plant.
No. Except fore the TEC, in every denomination I know of, the local congregation owns the church property. I've belonged to 2 or 3 churches that changed denominations over the years, and of course they kept their own buildings and grounds.(I belonged to one or two churches that switched from LCMS to ELCA and one church from Congregational to UCC).

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