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Celebrate Our Success

Cincinnati, OH

#27143 Sep 3, 2013
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy

Springboro Schools do not need the continued service of Ron Malone, who has been a high school principal, and who is now dreaming of gaining control of our board's budget success, and put the re-emphasis on "the way things were" in 2000, when he first was employed in our schools.

Our Springboro families and school staff have just experienced a great new beginning as we all start the new school year together in a Win-Win situtation for all our school community employees AND our community of taxpaying homeowners!
Why would any school district voter want to turn back to the failed direction in which school board candidate Ron Malone is heading....?
BORO ALUMNI

Tipp City, OH

#27144 Sep 3, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Who are you folks?
Your post merely served to validate my point that science and knowledge are never ending quests, you seem content on stopping the knowledge train right here and right now because that is where you are comfortable.
Denying any other possible possibilities is akin to denying humankind's innate curiosity. Just because we are afraid of what we may find has never stopped mankind in the past and I doubt very seriously if it will stop mankind in the future.
Assuming that we know all there is to be known about everything is the height of arrogance in a select few in each generation. As time progressed those people were proven irrevocably wrong in their assumptions.
We should not be so closed minded and open ourselves to opportunities to expand our horizons rather than narrowing them.
Video:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/intell...
BORO ALUMNI

Tipp City, OH

#27145 Sep 3, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Motorvoter you seem to have a mind that not nearly as open as you wish to appear in public.
Who said anything about teaching the origins of creation as science? I personally believe it is better suited to the social studies classes and the study of other cultures. After all, how different cultures and societies view the creation of their universe colors how they view life in general. What was the view of the Shawnee of creation and their position with its scope? How did they reconcile their actions with this belief and their interactions with both nature and others of humankind?
The same can be asked of the Arab culture of the Middle East? Or the Jews of the same region?
What about the beliefs of the ancient Mayans? Or those who inhabit the subcontinent in India?
Basic cultural beliefs help form long lasting cultural mores and values, to ignore these is to view only the politically correct half of the cultures, histories, and societies of our world.
Why would you wish to deprive our children of this knowledge?
Will creationism be in the Common Core or on the Assessment tests? Is it on the ACT or SAT?
BORO ALUMNI

Tipp City, OH

#27146 Sep 3, 2013
motorvoter wrote:
<quoted text>
Unbelievable denial of extremely recent history. The Board has been trying to get away with this for some time. Their last pathetic effort was to have the Liberty Institute or Institute on the Constitution spread their lies and conspiracies on school property.
Did you happen to attend any meetings or watch any news reports?
I'm with you MotorVoter!! It seems most on this site have selective short-term memory loss in their history of BOE majority shenanigans, just like the Institute on the Constitution course/David Barton/Glenn Beck, concerning actual history.(Alright posters, when replying to my post, change the subject and revert to your standard language on Dr. Malone....now go!)

Malone
Stuckey
Anderson
November 5
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27147 Sep 3, 2013
BORO ALUMNI wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm with you MotorVoter!! It seems most on this site have selective short-term memory loss in their history of BOE majority shenanigans, just like the Institute on the Constitution course/David Barton/Glenn Beck, concerning actual history.(Alright posters, when replying to my post, change the subject and revert to your standard language on Dr. Malone....now go!)
Malone
Stuckey
Anderson
November 5
Not really, I recall quite well the endless levy campaigns being run with full throated support from your candidates.

The only problem with the levy campaigns is they were based upon false data, inaccurate financials, and emotional blackmail of our citizenry.

Since the levies were defeated and a fiscally responsible board was elected, we discovered that the monetary crisis was manufactured with the aid of inflated assumptions prepared and delivered to the public by our school administrators.

The public learned of the conscious disregard for our facilities' maintenance and the safety of our children's transportation.

The public found funds wasted and misspent on text books that never saw the light of day to an understrength technology backbone investment that was ultimately scrapped.

The public was treated to previously unreleased audits of our program of studies that demonstrated a complete lack of regard for data and research based decision making. Why the program audit's recommendations were never implemented is a question only Mr. Malone can answer.

Instead of enriching our program of studies, Mr. Malone worked to dilute their content with fun electives designed to keep children more amused than engaged.

Yes, I recall well the past.
Ready Set Go

Cincinnati, OH

#27148 Sep 3, 2013
Time to change the fanatics' anti-constitution subject! Dr. Malone...will you please go now?
Celebrate Our Success

Cincinnati, OH

#27149 Sep 3, 2013
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." - John F. Kennedy

Springboro Schools do not need the continued service of Ron Malone, who has been a high school principal, and who is now dreaming of gaining control of our board's budget success, and put the re-emphasis on "the way things were" in 2000, when he first was employed in our schools.

Our Springboro families and school staff have just experienced a great new beginning as we all start the new school year together in a Win-Win situtation for all our school community employees AND our community of taxpaying homeowners!
Why would any school district voter want to turn back to the failed direction in which school board candidate Ron Malone is heading....?
Celebrate Our Success

Cincinnati, OH

#27150 Sep 3, 2013
Educate Springboro is focused on assuring the necessities are provided for learning and teaching.
Careful budgeting, data-driven decision making, and efficiency plans from our central office staff have made it possible for Springboro to afford its back-to-school list. We have found ways to afford the necessities required and give money back the taxpayer has more money is left in their wallet at the end of the day.
Springboro’s 2013 back-to-school list includes long overdue capital improvements to building interiors, roofs and parking lots; more resources for reading and gifted education in the elementary grades; new curriculum to align with state standards; and more than a $1.1 million upgrade to technology in each and every building.
In fact, the following needs are ACCOUNTED FOR in the current budget through the 2017 budget:
·over $2 million in text books and new adoptions
·over $2.1 million for new buses
·over $3.7 million in capital needs and deferred maintenance
·over $1.5 million in technology
·over $7.5 million increase for our staff in raises.
Our community’s school supply list is significant. We have found that it is affordable when we put children first.

Read more great news at the website:

http://educatespringboro.org/ .
Get Smart

Cincinnati, OH

#27151 Sep 3, 2013
BORO ALUMNI wrote:
<quoted text>
Will creationism be in the Common Core or on the Assessment tests? Is it on the ACT or SAT?
"It is the supreme art of the teacher to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge." - Albert Einstein
For Sure

Cincinnati, OH

#27152 Sep 4, 2013
BORO ALUMNI wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm with you MotorVoter!! It seems most on this site have selective short-term memory loss in their history of BOE majority shenanigans, just like the Institute on the Constitution course/David Barton/Glenn Beck, concerning actual history.(Alright posters, when replying to my post, change the subject and revert to your standard language on Dr. Malone....now go!)
Malone
Stuckey
Anderson
November 5
For Sure on this blog site, community members outside the doors of our taxpayer funded schools facilities in Springboro, still retain fresh memory of the Maney-Malone inside job of revenge against our 2011 BOE elected representatives officials, during the student led community wide war of words, attacking Springboro taxpayers' choice of reform minded BOE representatives, over status quo school board candidates representing the union's choice.
Did any of you BORO ALUMNI posting on this blog participate in the March 2012 re-instate Ron Malone protest?
Isn't this November 2013 Malone-Stuckey-Anderson
"Vote for Revenge" campaign just a tired old re-run of the Malone/Maney March 2012 campaign, still trying to throw out the success of our children's first budget and re-instate business as usual for the collective SEA rule?
Waste Watchers

Cincinnati, OH

#27153 Sep 4, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Seems as though Mr. Malone was deep sixing critical reports of his tenure and leadership at the high school. Audits that were bought and paid for as part of the High Schools That Work program were finding their way to Mr. Malone's office and being submerged deep inside file cabinets. What was in those documents that Mr. Malone did not want to share with the public or even see the light of day?
Page 10
From the 2012 report by the Warren County Educational Service Center.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS ...
"SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and !B, physical science, US HIstory, and World History) Thus, not all students experience a college preparatory curriculum. Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that contrary to the High Schools That Work (HSTW) philosophy, SHS believes that offering low level courses is in the best interest of students. THIS BELIEF, however, WAS NOT SUBSTANTIATED BY RESEARCH OR DATA."
Dumbing down the curriculum is apparently not in the best interest of the student.
Nothing substantiates this belief in either research or data.
Yet, that was the path Mr. Malone chose for your children.
These are not my conclusions, but the conclusions of professional educators at the Warren County Educational Service Center hired by the school district to audit our program of studies before this board ever came to be.
Boro Taxpayers would ask our BORO ALUMNI posting on the blog:
Have your read this full report of the Warren County Educational Service Center?

Have you asked Ron Malone WHY he wasted taxpayers money (about $8000?) by ignoring this educational study?

Why did Ron Malone think only of his popularity with his SEA union employees and his Student Union activists; and simply ignore his
responsibilities, as professional educator, to ALL our SHS students, and their individual academic potential?

Why did Ron Malone fail to provide the education for ALL our students in our taxpayer-funded schools? Why waste taxpayers' money?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27154 Sep 4, 2013
BORO ALUMNI wrote:
<quoted text>
Will creationism be in the Common Core or on the Assessment tests? Is it on the ACT or SAT?
Your bigotry, animosity, and closed mindedness are showing.

Intellectually exploring different cultures and the way they perceive their place in the cosmos cannot be accomplished by studying just half the book. I recall literature classes in high school where we assessed the times, mores, values, and religion of the writers to better understand from whence that writer came and how it shaped and effected the writings they produced.

Social studies classes that begin and end with what exists today, and account not a whit for how it arrived at that state, leave a student hopelessly shallow in regards to understanding both a people and a culture.

Cultures did not spring up overnight, they have been built layer upon layer, experience by experience, and tradition by tradition. All have an interpretation of how the world began and their place in its breadth. Ignoring those basic tenets robs a student of a true understanding of people who do not seem to be like them.

Fear of understanding, or even contemplating, another's belief system contributes to the breakdown of communication and civility both within and between various groups of people and cultures.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27155 Sep 4, 2013
Celebrate Our Success wrote:
Educate Springboro is focused on assuring the necessities are provided for learning and teaching.
Careful budgeting, data-driven decision making, and efficiency plans from our central office staff have made it possible for Springboro to afford its back-to-school list. We have found ways to afford the necessities required and give money back the taxpayer has more money is left in their wallet at the end of the day.
Springboro’s 2013 back-to-school list includes long overdue capital improvements to building interiors, roofs and parking lots; more resources for reading and gifted education in the elementary grades; new curriculum to align with state standards; and more than a $1.1 million upgrade to technology in each and every building.
In fact, the following needs are ACCOUNTED FOR in the current budget through the 2017 budget:
·over $2 million in text books and new adoptions
·over $2.1 million for new buses
·over $3.7 million in capital needs and deferred maintenance
·over $1.5 million in technology
·over $7.5 million increase for our staff in raises.
Our community’s school supply list is significant. We have found that it is affordable when we put children first.
Read more great news at the website:
http://educatespringboro.org/ .
You might want to check how much of that actually came from the government. When a district accepts common core they get funding (especially for the technology). Reject common core, pay back the money.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#27156 Sep 4, 2013
Do your homework wrote:
<quoted text>
You might want to check how much of that actually came from the government. When a district accepts common core they get funding (especially for the technology). Reject common core, pay back the money.
Everything comes from the government, they are the ones who collect the money.

The only thing the state wishes to see is actual learning and achievement. This can be done without the common core's one size fits all approach to education.

A social justice curriculum will not change the fact that 2 + 2 = 4.

One does not need to learn about percentages by figuring out how many people out of our population are denied health care because the greedy hospitals and insurance companies do not wish to serve those without money.
BORO ALUMNI

Tipp City, OH

#27157 Sep 4, 2013
Get Smart wrote:
<quoted text>
"It is the supreme art of the teacher to awaken joy in creative expression and knowledge." - Albert Einstein
It is this mythical, or rather this symbolic, content of the religious traditions which is likely to come into conflict with science. This occurs whenever this religious stock of ideas contains dogmatically fixed statements on subjects which belong in the domain of science. Thus, it is of vital importance for the preservation of true religion that such conflicts be avoided when they arise from subjects which, in fact, are not really essential for the pursuance of the religious aims.

- Albert Einstein, Religion and Science: Irreconcilable?(1948)
BORO ALUMNI

Tipp City, OH

#27158 Sep 4, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Your bigotry, animosity, and closed mindedness are showing.
Intellectually exploring different cultures and the way they perceive their place in the cosmos cannot be accomplished by studying just half the book. I recall literature classes in high school where we assessed the times, mores, values, and religion of the writers to better understand from whence that writer came and how it shaped and effected the writings they produced.
Social studies classes that begin and end with what exists today, and account not a whit for how it arrived at that state, leave a student hopelessly shallow in regards to understanding both a people and a culture.
Cultures did not spring up overnight, they have been built layer upon layer, experience by experience, and tradition by tradition. All have an interpretation of how the world began and their place in its breadth. Ignoring those basic tenets robs a student of a true understanding of people who do not seem to be like them.
Fear of understanding, or even contemplating, another's belief system contributes to the breakdown of communication and civility both within and between various groups of people and cultures.
http://video.pbs.org/video/980040807/
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27159 Sep 4, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything comes from the government, they are the ones who collect the money.
The only thing the state wishes to see is actual learning and achievement. This can be done without the common core's one size fits all approach to education.
A social justice curriculum will not change the fact that 2 + 2 = 4.
One does not need to learn about percentages by figuring out how many people out of our population are denied health care because the greedy hospitals and insurance companies do not wish to serve those without money.
The way you site it a child is either damned or blessed by the city he or she is born in. I see common core as lifting all the standards for all schools so that no matter where someone is born they have the same opportunity.

Same can be said for our healthcare system. I have yet to see an emergency room of a "greedy hospital" deny treatment (they don't).

One way or another we all pay to take care of each other. It's what Jesus would do.
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27160 Sep 4, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Your bigotry, animosity, and closed mindedness are showing.
Intellectually exploring different cultures and the way they perceive their place in the cosmos cannot be accomplished by studying just half the book. I recall literature classes in high school where we assessed the times, mores, values, and religion of the writers to better understand from whence that writer came and how it shaped and effected the writings they produced.
Social studies classes that begin and end with what exists today, and account not a whit for how it arrived at that state, leave a student hopelessly shallow in regards to understanding both a people and a culture.
Cultures did not spring up overnight, they have been built layer upon layer, experience by experience, and tradition by tradition. All have an interpretation of how the world began and their place in its breadth. Ignoring those basic tenets robs a student of a true understanding of people who do not seem to be like them.
Fear of understanding, or even contemplating, another's belief system contributes to the breakdown of communication and civility both within and between various groups of people and cultures.
Here we are again labeling and calling names. I am however impressed that you were able to post without using the 'M' word.

In you way of thinking in the interest of looking at all groups and cultures, it seems we need to expand the instruction of our children to include:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_reli...

This isn't about fear of understanding, it's about what information is "common" amongst all people regardless of their religious beliefs. The best way to do that is avoid religion all together. Tying a religious belief too closely to your government is very dangerous, just look at the middle east. A jihad is called in the name of a god, not the name of a country.
Your Hatred Is Showing

Columbus, OH

#27161 Sep 4, 2013
BORO ALUMNI wrote:
<quoted text>
It is this mythical, or rather this symbolic, content of the religious traditions which is likely to come into conflict with science. This occurs whenever this religious stock of ideas contains dogmatically fixed statements on subjects which belong in the domain of science. Thus, it is of vital importance for the preservation of true religion that such conflicts be avoided when they arise from subjects which, in fact, are not really essential for the pursuance of the religious aims.
- Albert Einstein, Religion and Science: Irreconcilable?(1948)
Doug didn't say anything about this. Who are you debating, yourself?
Do your homework

Dayton, OH

#27162 Sep 4, 2013
Your Hatred Is Showing wrote:
<quoted text>
Doug didn't say anything about this. Who are you debating, yourself?
Actually Hatred, it looks like a reply to another Einstein quote earlier. Do you know how there boards work?

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