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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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go to negotiating seminar

Cleveland, OH

#26086 Jul 25, 2013
Really wrote:
Well after looking into the BOE's $0 budget I think all of us should go to our employers and ask our salaries to be reduced the exact amount we put into our 401K plan and anything we set aside for savings every month. That way at the end of the year WE can follow the direction of the BOE and have a $0 budget. If it's good enough for our kid's then it should be good enough for us!
Really????
Correction: that would be at the end of 2 years, not 1. Having a budget approaching $0 is the position the district wants to be in when it comes time to re-negotiate contracts. Ah, but you wouldn't know much about this kind of thing.
Yes Really

Cincinnati, OH

#26087 Jul 25, 2013
Really wrote:
Well after looking into the BOE's $0 budget I think all of us should go to our employers and ask our salaries to be reduced the exact amount we put into our 401K plan and anything we set aside for savings every month. That way at the end of the year WE can follow the direction of the BOE and have a $0 budget. If it's good enough for our kid's then it should be good enough for us!
Really????
Sounds Awesome! After looking into the all the great achievements accomplished by our children's first budget, in just 18 months, all I can say it WOW!... putting our children's safety needs first,(including new school buses) gives me a sense of trust, knowing every decision that is being made by this board is truly putting children's needs first! It's so exciting to look forward to the new school year, knowing our teachers are well paid and happy with a new contract, and all Springboro families are happy with a reduced renewal levy on the November ballot!
Yes Really! Life is good in Springboro!
Really Doug

Englewood, OH

#26088 Jul 25, 2013
questions more questions wrote:
<quoted text>
So Glad you feel the Constitution of the United States is a loophole...
Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

The only reason Doug Weidemann didn't get a speedy trial is because he kept stalling with motions and appeals until the Supreme Court of our state laughed his rear end right back to his house in Tamarack.

Doug knew the witnesses against him, he could have brought witnesses in his favor if there had been anyone willing to defend such a dirtbag, and he was represented by J. Pierre Tismo of Dyer Garofalo Mann & Schultz, the usual TV lawyers just looking for someone dumb enough to give them money to chase some wild idea.

Seems to have worked for this guy!

And to think, it would have all been averted if Doug had just kept enough money in his bank to cover his liabilities, or perhaps if he knew the account was a little thin, perhaps he could have abstained from writing those rubber checks!

But, of course...like most bankrupt tea partiers they must have their vices. For Kelly Kohls it was the all expenses vacation, for Doug Weidemann it is apparently a sporty airplane up at the Dayton South airport. Take a look for yourself:

http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/l...

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_...

But, why let financial responsibility get in the way of your play toys??! Yet these are the first people standing on their soap box to tell the rest of us how financially responsible our schools should be and how greedy we are for wanting a good education for our children.

Class act, Doug. Class act!
Really

Tipp City, OH

#26089 Jul 25, 2013
go to negotiating seminar wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction: that would be at the end of 2 years, not 1. Having a budget approaching $0 is the position the district wants to be in when it comes time to re-negotiate contracts. Ah, but you wouldn't know much about this kind of thing.
No, I wouldn't. I belive in a safety net. How is it that people should save (even through social security & medicare) but the school shouldn't? Public services should have surpluses just in case. Look at the good it did for the Fire Department...

Really??
Really

Tipp City, OH

#26090 Jul 25, 2013
Yes Really wrote:
<quoted text>
Sounds Awesome! After looking into the all the great achievements accomplished by our children's first budget, in just 18 months, all I can say it WOW!... putting our children's safety needs first,(including new school buses) gives me a sense of trust, knowing every decision that is being made by this board is truly putting children's needs first! It's so exciting to look forward to the new school year, knowing our teachers are well paid and happy with a new contract, and all Springboro families are happy with a reduced renewal levy on the November ballot!
Yes Really! Life is good in Springboro!
Yes, but unfortunately to learn about creationism they will have to go to a church. Oh, and there's still that pay to play thing...

Really??
hypocrites and liars

Cleveland, OH

#26091 Jul 25, 2013
Really wrote:
If it's good enough for our kid's then it should be good enough for us!
For our kids' sake, I hope the improper punctuation (kid's) wasn't posted by a member of the coven of entitled Springboro teachers.
Really

Tipp City, OH

#26092 Jul 25, 2013
hypocrites and liars wrote:
<quoted text>
For our kids' sake, I hope the improper punctuation (kid's) wasn't posted by a member of the coven of entitled Springboro teachers.
I guess having enough of an education to be not just employed but receiving (i before e except after c) a raise every year isn't enough. Wow...sounds like you should be hypocrites, liars and people of bad grammar.

Nice point, well thought out.

Really??
go to negotiating seminar

Cleveland, OH

#26093 Jul 25, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I wouldn't. I belive in a safety net. How is it that people should save (even through social security & medicare) but the school shouldn't? Public services should have surpluses just in case. Look at the good it did for the Fire Department...
Really??
1) If you want to talk Clearcreek fire levy, you're in the wrong topix thread

2) I have a bridge I really need to sell you if you sincerely buy Wade and Kidd's arguments for a spring 2014 fire levy, particularly in light of the abject amount of CC township resources that continually go to waste.
Change I Can Believe In

Englewood, OH

#26094 Jul 25, 2013
go to negotiating seminar wrote:
<quoted text>
1) If you want to talk Clearcreek fire levy, you're in the wrong topix thread
2) I have a bridge I really need to sell you if you sincerely buy Wade and Kidd's arguments for a spring 2014 fire levy, particularly in light of the abject amount of CC township resources that continually go to waste.
Things won't change in the township until Cathy Anspaugh joins Kelly Kohls in the political unemployment line..
Really

Tipp City, OH

#26095 Jul 25, 2013
go to negotiating seminar wrote:
<quoted text>
1) If you want to talk Clearcreek fire levy, you're in the wrong topix thread
2) I have a bridge I really need to sell you if you sincerely buy Wade and Kidd's arguments for a spring 2014 fire levy, particularly in light of the abject amount of CC township resources that continually go to waste.
Actually the point is that they are not putting the fire levy up because the have an emergency fund (novel idea) and because that could be what the excess money from the renewal levy could be used for, it is quite on topic.

Really??
partisan

Springboro, OH

#26096 Jul 26, 2013
Change I Can Believe In wrote:
<quoted text>
Things won't change in the township until Cathy Anspaugh joins Kelly Kohls in the political unemployment line..
Wade showed his commitment to the fire levy by backing down ? forget the huge surplus of cash in the township, which was there the first time he and gabbard tried to push the levy in our faces. It's because wade is running for re-election...what a fraud wade is...along with the rest of his goons.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26097 Jul 26, 2013
Really Doug wrote:
<quoted text>
Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

The only reason Doug Weidemann didn't get a speedy trial is because he kept stalling with motions and appeals until the Supreme Court of our state laughed his rear end right back to his house in Tamarack.
Doug knew the witnesses against him, he could have brought witnesses in his favor if there had been anyone willing to defend such a dirtbag, and he was represented by J. Pierre Tismo of Dyer Garofalo Mann & Schultz, the usual TV lawyers just looking for someone dumb enough to give them money to chase some wild idea.
Seems to have worked for this guy!
And to think, it would have all been averted if Doug had just kept enough money in his bank to cover his liabilities, or perhaps if he knew the account was a little thin, perhaps he could have abstained from writing those rubber checks!
But, of course...like most bankrupt tea partiers they must have their vices. For Kelly Kohls it was the all expenses vacation, for Doug Weidemann it is apparently a sporty airplane up at the Dayton South airport. Take a look for yourself:
http://www.airport-data.com/images/aircraft/l...
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_...
But, why let financial responsibility get in the way of your play toys??! Yet these are the first people standing on their soap box to tell the rest of us how financially responsible our schools should be and how greedy we are for wanting a good education for our children.
Class act, Doug. Class act!
Wow that seems all so harsh and all so mischaracterized and quite envious all in rolled into one post. "Really" seems to hold an inordinate amount of hostility and a loose hold of the facts.

Yes, the case was continually continued, but not at my insistence.

The bank was less than willing to let go of the surveillance tape of the incident. The banks security department in Findlay, OH reviewed the tape and decided this was not good for the bank then spent 5 months stalling before finally surrendering the tape.

The number of continuances granted to the bank were for things like really important bank training that the complaining witness absolutely had to attend, that the security department had not yet been able to view the tape so they needed more time, Mr. Kirby forgot or decided regardless that it was vacation time for one scheduled date.

At no time during the proceedings did we ever request a continuance, not during the first time they tried to try this with Mr. Kirby as ringmaster, or in the second time they attempted to try it in Judge Heath's court.

In the second trial in Warren County court I asked for a jury trial, Judge Heath instead put us on a standing monthly continuance program of status conferences with each sides lawyers. The purpose of the status conference was to discuss a settlement to the case. Each month he would offer to dismiss the case if I signed an agreement to release everyone from liability in the case. Each month we would ask that a trial date be set, Judge Heath would instead order another status conference.
After 12 months of this we asked the case be dismissed on the grounds our right to a speedy trial had been violated.

Neither I, nor the complaining witness, ever were afforded the opportunity to testify in court.

The 6th amendment is in place to keep people from being held in legal limbo by courts.

Are you arguing that principle is not important?
Performance Review

Cincinnati, OH

#26098 Jul 26, 2013
At last night’s school board meeting, Springboro voters were presented with two very distinctly different paths to travel for our children’s future.

Thumbs Up to our school superintendent, Mr. Petrey, and our school board president, Mrs. Kohls, for lifting the bar of common decency in public discourse, and warmly inviting our neighbors for hostility to join with the SEA/BOE celebration of our community wide success of Increased Pay for our hard-working teachers and Levy Reduction for our hard-working taxpaying homeowners! Special Thanks to our team of board representatives for their uncommonly good sense of voting unanimously in fairness to all!

School district voters will remember in November to vote only for school board candidates who have earned our trust through educating Springboro that Children
First budgeting works! We Are Successful! Who will stand up for Children’s First Budget at the polls in November? School district voters are energized and activated to go to work for our children’s future by voting for fiscal responsibility school board candidates only, and for renewal levy only IF we can trust the school board candidates with our hard earned money!

Thumbs Down to our Neighbors for Springboro schools who testified of their determination to continue their war of words attacking our community of voters, as a whole, with their Babb/Malone/Stuckey for Increased Taxes school board candidate campaign! Beware NFSS – No More Money for your “common sense status quo!”
questions more questions

Dayton, OH

#26099 Jul 26, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow that seems all so harsh and all so mischaracterized and quite envious all in rolled into one post. "Really" seems to hold an inordinate amount of hostility and a loose hold of the facts.
Yes, the case was continually continued, but not at my insistence.
The bank was less than willing to let go of the surveillance tape of the incident. The banks security department in Findlay, OH reviewed the tape and decided this was not good for the bank then spent 5 months stalling before finally surrendering the tape.
The number of continuances granted to the bank were for things like really important bank training that the complaining witness absolutely had to attend, that the security department had not yet been able to view the tape so they needed more time, Mr. Kirby forgot or decided regardless that it was vacation time for one scheduled date.
At no time during the proceedings did we ever request a continuance, not during the first time they tried to try this with Mr. Kirby as ringmaster, or in the second time they attempted to try it in Judge Heath's court.
In the second trial in Warren County court I asked for a jury trial, Judge Heath instead put us on a standing monthly continuance program of status conferences with each sides lawyers. The purpose of the status conference was to discuss a settlement to the case. Each month he would offer to dismiss the case if I signed an agreement to release everyone from liability in the case. Each month we would ask that a trial date be set, Judge Heath would instead order another status conference.
After 12 months of this we asked the case be dismissed on the grounds our right to a speedy trial had been violated.
Neither I, nor the complaining witness, ever were afforded the opportunity to testify in court.
The 6th amendment is in place to keep people from being held in legal limbo by courts.
Are you arguing that principle is not important?
Well Doug you beat me to it! this " person" of many monikers does play fast and loose with the facts. I had a lengthy post ready to rip them for playing fast and loose with the facts ( using his links to the actual cases provided). The poster also combined your civil case where the State Supreme court ruled with the criminal case. I also did not find the references to the courts laughter in the decision. i may have missed the laughter references in the decision though ( I will reread the decision looking for laughter comments or emoticons signifying laughter).They continue to call you a criminal even though you were not convicted (unless there are cases other than the ones he has cited). They obviously have a huge problem with the Constitution. Doesn't like the 6th amendment, but I bet they would invoke it if it they had the opportunity. The poster also does not seem to like the First Amendment although they exercise it quite a bit on Topix.I say this because of the attack on the law firm you retained was based on the fact that they advertise.The poster ignores the Supreme Court decision that law firms have a First Amendment right to advertise. But the poster does not stop there, they go on to attack this law firm about how they are " the usual TV lawyers just looking for someone dumb enough to give them money to chase some wild idea." Does the poster realize that he just attacked a law firms ethics? They also attacked the law firms clients. Does this poster not realize that his first amendment rights do have limits, even on a message board?
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26100 Jul 26, 2013
All the union wishes to accomplish is the silencing of person who presents facts that are inconvenient to the union's position.

So let us ask one more time for a response on the type of education the children are receiving and the taxpayers are funding.

ACT scores 2009 - 2011
Scale.....English.......Math.. ........Reading........Science .....Scaled Score
36.......... 75.......... 60..........38-40.......... 40..........36
35........73-74........58-59.. ........37..........none...... ....35
34........71-72........56-57.. ........36..........39........ ..34
33........70..........55...... ....35..........none.......... 33
32........ 69..........54..........34.... ......38..........32
31.........68..........52-53.. ........none.........none..... .....31
30........ 67..........50-51..........33. .........37..........30
29........65-66.....48-49..... .....32..........36..........2 9
28........64 ..........46-47..........30-31 ..........35..........28
27........62-63.........43-45. .........29..........34....... ...27
26........60-61.........41-42. ........28..........32-33..... ....26
25........57-59.........39-40. ........27..........30-31..... ....25
24........55-56.........37-38. ........26..........29........ ..24
23........53-54.........35-36. .........25..........27-28.... ....23
22........50-52.........33-34. .........24..........25-26.... ....22
21........47-49.........31-32. .........23..........23-24.... ....21
20........44-46.........30.... ......22..........21-22....... .20
19........42-43.........27-29. .........21..........18-20.... ....19
18........39-41.........27-26. .........20..........16-17.... ....18
17........37-38.........22-24. .........19..........14-15.... ....17
16........34-36.........18-21. .......17-18..........13...... ....16
15.........30-33........15-17. .......16..........12......... .15
(the numbers keep going down to zero, if you are interested see the scale at the link below)

http://www.olchs.org/assets/documents/RAW%20S ...

The numbers under the various subjects are the number of questions answered correctly for each subject

Base upon our ACT result posted on line on our transparency project at Springboro.org

For 2011 our ACT averages for each sujbect

English.....24.5 Scaled Score..... answers correct.....56/70 = 80%

Math........24.3 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....37/60 = 62%

Reading...24.6 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....26/40 = 65%

Science....24.0 Scaled Score.......answers correct.....29/40 = 73%

These are just the kids who took the ACT, this does not take into account those children who did not take the test.

Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)

According to Mr. Malone's scale

English 80% solid C

Math 62% high F

Reading 65% low D

Science 73% high D

Below are the percentages Mr. Malone assigned to the letter grades received by students involved in the Post Secondary Education Option (PSEO) when he figured the student's Grade Point Average (GPA) and consequent class ranking.

PSEO is a program whereby students leave the high school to attend college courses at local universities. The students earn college credit for classes they take while the school district pays for the tuition if the student passes.
A child without too much effort could have a semester of college completed before they set foot on a college campus.

F.....Below 62.99% correct answers

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers

A..... 93% correct answers and above

If the scale is good enough for kids taking college courses, it's good enough for the rest of the student population as well.
Moving On

Cleveland, OH

#26101 Jul 26, 2013
It is time to move along. According to the large group of current and past alums, the current school staff and the REAL REPUBLICANS, NOT THE CRAZY TEA BAGGERS, Ms. Kohls will be leaving the district.

Since: Dec 08

Cleveland, OH

#26102 Jul 26, 2013
Common Sense wrote:
Agree to cut the levy by using speculative pipeline money from the additional pipeline that is being built and the teachers get their contract.
As I understand it the additional revenue from the next pipeline was not included in financial projections. Not saying you are wrong, but I'm hearing a different story here.

Since: Dec 08

Cleveland, OH

#26103 Jul 26, 2013
Really Doug wrote:
<quoted text>
But, why let financial responsibility get in the way of your play toys??! Yet these are the first people standing on their soap box to tell the rest of us how financially responsible our schools should be and how greedy we are for wanting a good education for our children.
Class act, Doug. Class act!
The current board has brought us from debt to a multi-million dollar surplus. How on earth is that not financially responsible? Financial irresponsibility is thinking throwing money at every supposed problem is the answer to anything. Prior to this current board we found that line of thinking to be absolutely false. We finally have some financial accountability in our school system and people still complain. I wonder how many of these "we want to pay more taxes" people will write a check for extra cash to the city/school to stay consistent to their views. Unbelievable.
Let the Light Shine In

Cincinnati, OH

#26104 Jul 26, 2013
Change I Can Believe In wrote:
<quoted text>
Things won't change in the township until Cathy Anspaugh joins Kelly Kohls in the political unemployment line..
If you look beyond your NFSS tunnel vision of "common sense status quo" you can see the light of change that reform-minded, strong principled women, including Cathy Anspach and Kelly Kohls, have already brought to our schools and township government! And this is just the beginning of a brighter Boro future for all Springboro families! It takes more than "belief of love and power for professional educators" to win elections! And that "insanely popular" has been a high school principal for 13 years just don't have the strong principles that it take to lead "we the people" into the 21st Century! There simply is NO PLACE for Ron Malone's inflated EGO of tax and spend, the SEA way, in the classrooms and the board room of Springboro Community City Schools. If Principal Ron really loves "his kids at school" (minus the kids of Springboro parent Kelly Kohls, of course) then he should PROVE IT to the community of voters and put a stop to this Boro Alumni Vote for Revenge in November 2013. Our children's classroom is no place for Ron Malone's politics of personal destruction against Springboro parent, Kelly Kohls. Shame on you Ron Malone, and Sherri, too for spreading lies throughout our neighborhoods and churches falsely accusing the "Springboro Three" of trying to throw you out of your job! Is there NO etics clause or anything in our schools employment contracts to hold runaway tongues of employees like Ron Malone's accountability to "common decency?"
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#26105 Jul 26, 2013
A couple things to remember when we analyze the ACT results is that not all children take this test. The class has been culled the high school administration by strongly suggesting to some children that the Warren County Career Center would probably be a better educational fit for the child. I was rather surprised to hear of the dumping of children out of the school. For some it may be a good move, for others, maybe they are late bloomers. Who is to tell at 14 or 15?

Definition of Raw Scores:

The ACT is scored in the same way as most tests. For every question you answer correctly you will receive 1 raw point. Then, those raw points are converted to scale the exam from 1-36 in each section.

How is the ACT scored?

Each subject area of the test-- math, reading, English, and science-- is scored on a scale between 1 and 36. The ACT is graded on a curve and each section is scaled so that the average score is approximately 21.

Math
The ACT Math section allows one minute per question; there are sixty questions and sixty minutes is the time limit. Like all other ACT sections, the Math section consists entirely of multiple-choice questions. Calculators are allowed to be used on the ACT Math section, but most problems should be solvable without a calculator. Although most calculators are permitted on the exam, some calculators are not allowed. Check with the ACT for an updated list of which calculators are acceptable for use on the exam.

The ACT Math section’s material ranges from pre-algebra to intermediate algebra, geometry, plane geometry, and even a small amount of trigonometry. The trigonometry on the ACT is not so difficult and does not make up so much of the final score, so students who have not taken classes in trigonometry can still study the basics and have no difficulty with these questions. The ACT math section is structured as follows: 40% of the ACT math section comes from pre-algebra and basic algebra questions, 30% comes from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry, and the remaining 30% comes mainly from plane geometry (23%) and trigonometry (7%).

There are only 60 questions on the Math portion of the ACT test.

24 questions come from pre-algebra and basic algebra

18 questions come from intermediate algebra and coordinate geometry
(Coordinate geometry is plotting points on the X and Y axis)

14 questions come from plane geometry (Plane geometry is all about shapes like lines, circles and triangles on a flat piece of paper.)

4 questions on trigonometry

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