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Good Neighbor Policy

Piqua, OH

#25695 Jul 12, 2013
Lurker wrote:
So did Sonny make you proud last night?
Most likely the pre-arranged drama of our sonny neighbor and his assistant was performed out of self-pride, exercising his Three minutes of fame. Whether intended or not, he did prove just what hypocrites our "elitest educators" are in Springboro; thinking they own the lock box of "opinions" to freely spew out at others; but they can't handle the truth of differing opinions and expressions of free sppech.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25696 Jul 12, 2013
Lurker wrote:
So did Sonny make you proud last night?
I wanted to crack open a Pabst Blue Ribbon
Phil

Erie, PA

#25698 Jul 12, 2013
I find it ironic that Sonny waved the Confederate Flag last night in a town where it's main historical significance is helping slaves free the south along the Underground Railroad.
outsider

Dayton, OH

#25699 Jul 12, 2013
survival of the fittest wrote:
<quoted text>
Most certainly I understand a select, relatively small X% of the exceptional are always going to fly off the chart. So why not assign them individually a grade of A+ or A++??
Teachers increasingly are becoming resistant to assigning A-B-C-D-F grades to public school students because they're constantly being force-fed a bunch of liberal-socialism by union groups as well as the now completely jaded OSBA. The same liberal educators who constructed this OAA garbage are the same liberal educators who built the now out-of-control anti-bullying agenda that is working to further emasculate our young men.
What you are missing is that in poor scoring districts, there will be few that are in those ranges, but Springboro has many scoring beyond the targets of the testing program. Also, A+ only exist in credit scrores and steak, not in the educational grading scale.
The Scoffer

Piqua, OH

#25700 Jul 12, 2013
Phil wrote:
I find it ironic that Sonny waved the Confederate Flag last night in a town where it's main historical significance is helping slaves free the south along the Underground Railroad.
I find it ironic that the Union Army of the Springboro Education Association comes a marching into the board room, all wrapped up in their red shirts of Unionism, proclaiming Occupation of Springboro schools as MY Community, where Never a Children's First agenda will be honored with Springboro Taxpayers hard-earned money; but only the sacrifice of all on the alter of the undermining SEA, Railroading our children's future into enslavement of the status quo education gods.
Glory! Glory!
The Scoffer

Piqua, OH

#25701 Jul 12, 2013
Phil wrote:
I find it ironic that Sonny waved the Confederate Flag last night in a town where it's main historical significance is helping slaves free the south along the Underground Railroad.
I find it ironic that one union-activist Springboro parent paid tribute to the words of a great African leader who is now dying, but walked out on the words of a great American school board leader and Springboro parent living right here in our community.

This same union-activist Springboro parent said that if outsiders came into Springboro to work that she would keep her children home from school. Isn't that unionism discrimination against freedom in the American workplace of public education?
survival of the fittest

Girard, OH

#25702 Jul 12, 2013
outsider wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are missing is that in poor scoring districts, there will be few that are in those ranges, but Springboro has many scoring beyond the targets of the testing program.
So what? What difference would it make if zero students a District A scored an A++, and District B had three dozen achieve A++?
Oh! I get it now! Would maybe the children of District A have "hurt feelings" over their schools not having resident Einsteins?
OH NO! We certainly could never let THAT haoppen!
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#25703 Jul 12, 2013
Phil wrote:
I find it ironic that Sonny waved the Confederate Flag last night in a town where it's main historical significance is helping slaves free the south along the Underground Railroad.
BAH!! Confederate Flag? A 150 year-old relic of a long-lost time!!
You ought to be concerning yourself with the ultimate agenda within the minds of Lisa Babb et. al. who are more than proud to adorn their bodies with the red flags of socialist-liberalism.

Tell It Like It Is

Piqua, OH

#25704 Jul 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
No raises in five years, not really. What the union means to say is that the base pay has not increased in five years. What the union fails to mention is that the teachers have an entirely self direct vehicle to raise their pay, the educational attainement step system. This system rewards teachers with more money that invest in themselves. The program is entirely self directed and some teachers take advantage of it and some don't.
At random I just spun my mouse and did not include any staff positions or special ed teachers and left out the ones who worked here in 2008 but were gone by 2013.
Jason Bromberg making $46,833 in 2008 making $52,528 in 2013 an increase of 11%
Kevin Gutekunst making $41,131 in 2008 making $51,577 in 2013 an increase of 20.3%
Mary Reese making $55,474 in 2008 making $59,519 in 2013 an increase of 7.3%
Mary Silles making $58,930 in 2008 making $63,010 in 2013 an increase of 6.5%
Kristin Sharkey making $37,846 in 2008 making $47,912 in 2013 an increase of 21%
Are all of these huge? I guess it depends on where you are standing when you look at them.
In a period when other people were making less and in some cases if you worked for one of the GM plants or its local suppliers, substantially less, our teachers were employed and for the vast majority gaining each year. The average income in Springboro is $62,000 and that is up from $60,500 or so in 2008. These have not been great financial times for the private sector, the value of our assets have shrunk as is noted by our home valuations for tax purposes and real sales in the free market. Companies in the private sector maintain their employee expense based upon a percentage of net profits. This keeps them focused on whether or not the business can support this many people productively at this rate given their relative position within the market in which they compete.
The base median income in Springboro has risen about a point or two, our teaching staff that utilized the opportunities afforded them saw increases many times greater than the community at large.
You too can see the same thing if you look on the school website and view the staff salary scale for the same time period.
http://www.springboro.org/userfiles/6/Transpa...
http://www.springboro.org/userfiles/6/Transpa...
It appears that Mr. Petrey, according to the July 11 Springboro
Sun article, has been converted as a believer in the false teachings of the Unionism cult of Education. Mr. Petrey says,
"I believe in our teachers," and "I'm proud to be an educator in Springboro." Mr. Petrey also says, "When the teachers did not talk about a pay increase over the past five years, it gave the district a "tremendous" savings." Excuse me, sir, but it was during the past five years that the taxpayers turned a deaf ear to the union's talk about a pay increase and loudly proclaimed No New Taxes, failing five school levy requests for pay increases.
Springboro Education Association is all about money and power and If the union masters don't get control of both; then union teachers don't care a thing about teaching children; they just want more money! The time has now come to face reality and stop the hypocrisy of the continuous praise and worship of money and power.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25705 Jul 12, 2013
Beimly Teresa Teacher - 3rd $64,028 in 2008 $68,680 in 2012
Bell Nancy Teacher - Intervention $43,809 in 2008 $54,091 in 2012
Bellar Leslie Teacher - PE/Health $40,329 in 2008 $51839 in 2012
Benedict Sarah Teacher - Music $43,809 in 2008 $49,744 in 2012
Benjamin Thomas Teacher - Social Studies $63,769 in 2008 $66,235 in 2012
Bennett Christine Teacher -2nd $39,482 in 2008 $49,744 in 2012

Salaries increased
Beimly 6.7%
Bell 19%
Bellar 21.8%
Benedict 12%
Benjamin 3.7%
Bennet 20.6%

These numbers are readily available on the Transparency project for all to see.

These names were in alphabetical order by the way they were listed on the spreadsheets.

No raises the last five years is a bit of a stretch. Those who took advantage of the educational attainment steps and invested in themselves will see a healthy return on their investments over the course of a career.

To claim the parsimonious BOE is not being "fair" is a bit of a stretch for anyone who has looked at the numbers.

In times where most saw property values sink, many saw wages stagnate or ebb away, our staff was enjoying the vehicles provided by their profession to enhance their earnings.

Nothing wrong with that and I would encourage the future investments in themselves, but you could at least be more forthcoming about your situation.
Better Yet

Dayton, OH

#25706 Jul 12, 2013
Stand Up For Kids wrote:
Springboro - We have found that one common sense citizen needed to join our elected reform minded board representatives, doing what's right for our schools and commnity!
Mr. Wiedeman, will you please consider serving your community as a candidate running for November 2013 election, as our next school board representative?
Mr. Wiedeman go get your teaching license and put into practice what you preach. There are several vacancies in Springboro.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25707 Jul 12, 2013
Jenkins Lura Teacher - 3rd $61,955 in 2008 $66,238 in 2012
Johanson Debbie Teacher - Intervention $47,698 in 2008 $56,028 in 2012
Johnson Jennifer Guidance Counselor $50,961 in 2008 $72,720 in 2012
Jordan Stephanie Teacher - English $47,438 in 2008 $54,126 in 2012
Jung Sarah Teacher - 6th $58,325 in 2008 $62574 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Jenkins 6.5%
Johanson 14.9%
Johnson 30%
Jordan 12.6%
Jung 6.7%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Doug Wiedeman

Cleveland, OH

#25708 Jul 12, 2013
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012

Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%

String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
I will cross the line

Cleveland, OH

#25709 Jul 12, 2013
As an over educated resident, with two masters degrees, I will take leave from my "real job" where I work year round to cross the Union Picket Line and keep the schools open.

Who else will do the same?
grateful

Girard, OH

#25710 Jul 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012
Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%
String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Wow this is so amazing! Mr. Wiedemann thank you very much for bringing all of this to light. In the past my kids have come home from school with stories of teachers who go out of their way to impress upon them that their budgets at home are stretched to the limit. Obviously, such "personal budget issues" would never come to be if many of our teachers with their spouses hadn't OVEREXTENDED THEIR CREDIT!

Case in point - One of my children's past teachers that has voiced financial complaints to them lives in a very nice home in Cypress Ridge. If this teacher has a financial problem, it most definately isn't for lack of income. The problem for this teacher is that their family's eyes are perpetually much too big for their checkbook.
Really

Piqua, OH

#25711 Jul 12, 2013
I will cross the line wrote:
As an over educated resident, with two masters degrees, I will take leave from my "real job" where I work year round to cross the Union Picket Line and keep the schools open.
Who else will do the same?
Is the SEA Really going to strike, finally!
TiredBoroParent

Middletown, OH

#25712 Jul 12, 2013
Doug Wiedeman wrote:
Prater Jeremy Teacher - 3rd $39,489 in 2008 $47,301 in 2012
Pritchard Amy Teacher - 4th $34,217 in 2008 $36567 in 2012
Profitt Kelley Teacher - 4th $68,435 in 2008 $71,039 in 2012
Puckett Julia Teacher - Lang.Arts $61,955 in 2008 $67,200 in 2012
Rabe Rebecca Teacher - 3rd $57,548 in 2008 $63010 in 2012
Increase in Income 2008-2012
Prater 16.6%
Pritchard 6.4%
Profitt 3.6%
Puckett 7.8%
Rabe 8.7%
String of names selected at random from the salary schedules posted online on the Springboro Transparency Project.
Based on my calculations, for every teacher who was personally called out and made an example of on Wiede's posts, who invested their own time and money to further their education and gain additional accreditations, made an average of $1600 more per year over the 4 - 5 year timeframe. I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education. If that was the case, we'd all be running around with doctorates. Wiedeman's point is one sided (as usual) and blown out of proportion (as usual)....
Sick and Tired of SEA

Piqua, OH

#25713 Jul 12, 2013
TiredBoroParent wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on my calculations, for every teacher who was personally called out and made an example of on Wiede's posts, who invested their own time and money to further their education and gain additional accreditations, made an average of $1600 more per year over the 4 - 5 year timeframe. I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education. If that was the case, we'd all be running around with doctorates. Wiedeman's point is one sided (as usual) and blown out of proportion (as usual)....
boo-hoo, boo-hoo, I'm just a victim of forced unionism, enslaved in Springboro schools "sweatshop" hardly working for my money with lost belief and pride...no raise, no respect, just 100% dependent on others to carry my heavy load in the boro...
TiredBoroParent

Middletown, OH

#25714 Jul 12, 2013
Sick and Tired of SEA wrote:
<quoted text>
boo-hoo, boo-hoo, I'm just a victim of forced unionism, enslaved in Springboro schools "sweatshop" hardly working for my money with lost belief and pride...no raise, no respect, just 100% dependent on others to carry my heavy load in the boro...
Dear knucklehead... I'm not a teacher, but rather a long time taxpayer with multiple kids in the Springboro school system. Guessing you're another GED-less bagger bigot with no kids? Thought so...
U R running out of cash

Springboro, OH

#25715 Jul 13, 2013
TiredBoroParent wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm fairly certain (no, make that 100% positive) this number would decrease significantly if we averaged in all of the teachers who did not or who were not able to participate in this program. Not everyone received raises and not everyone has the time or resources for advanced education.
You have the same ability as others to look up teacher salaries. Others have posted many examples of teachers receiving raises. Since you are a 100% sure you can find ones that didn't, please post the information here.

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