Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Rejoice

Grafton, OH

#24750 May 20, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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The problem is the way you see it is through the lens of the Tea Party, which bears little resemblance to the changes that the Board is actually making:
http://rapgenius.com/Springboro-board-of-educ...
FOR TEACHERS SHALL REMAIN AT $34,653. EMPLOYEES SHALL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE SAME SALARY THE EMPLOYEE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED FOR THE 2012-2013 SCHOOL YEAR. THE SALARY SCHEDULE IDENTIFIED BY APPENDIX D OF THE PREVIOUS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS HEREBY NO LONGER IN EFFECT AND SHALL BE CONSIDERED NULL AND VOID.
THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION SHALL EACH APPOINT FIVE (5) MEMBERS TO A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE. THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS COMPENSATION COMMITTEE SHALL BE TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A TEACHER COMPENSATION STRUCTURE BASED ON PROFESSIONAL TEACHER EFFECTIVENESS. THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION FURTHER AGREE THAT TEACHER COMPENSATION LEVELS SHALL NOT INCREASE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION, THROUGH THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE, DEVELOP, RATIFY AND IMPLEMENT A PROFESSIONAL TEACHING COMPENSATION STRUCTURE BASED ON TEACHER PERFORMANCE AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY.
If the contract is now null and void, we can finally get some teachers in here that can and want to teach.$35K a yr for part time work isn't bad to start. With their bennies they should have no reason to complain. The ones really milking the gravy train should be glad they still have a job. Raises are for incentivizing the behavior and results you want while disincentivizing those non productive members of the group. If you give everyone the same raise you did nothing to improve the quality of your employees. The rest of the post is liberal progressive blather that punts to nothing in the end.
Nobody Starving Here

Lebanon, OH

#24751 May 20, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Average is the total of all salaries divided by the number of teachers
Median is the exact middle of the frequency distribution equal number above and below that point.
School Year
2010-2011 School Year
050427 Springboro Community City
School..........Teacher Salary Avg .........Teacher Salary Median
Clearcreek Elementary School......$49,019..........4 7,092
Dennis Elementary East..........54,847.......... 45,623
Dennis Elementary West..........60,759.......... 49,252
Five Points Elementary East..........53,164.......... 45,839
Five Points Elementary West.........$48,416.......... 42,859
Springboro High School..........60,003........ ..60,140
Springboro Intermediate School....$54,839..........49, 252
Springboro Junior High School......$56,180..........5 0,116
John R. Kasich, Governor | Dr. Richard A. Ross, Superintendent of Public Instruction | Contact ODE | Web site notes | Contact Web Services | ODE home | Ohio home | ODE Intranet | Feedback | remote email
Ohio Department of Education, 25 South Front Street, Columbus, Ohio 43215
Dumb

Hilliard, OH

#24752 May 20, 2013
Rejoice wrote:
<quoted text>
If the contract is now null and void, we can finally get some teachers in here that can and want to teach.$35K a yr for part time work isn't bad to start. With their bennies they should have no reason to complain. The ones really milking the gravy train should be glad they still have a job. Raises are for incentivizing the behavior and results you want while disincentivizing those non productive members of the group. If you give everyone the same raise you did nothing to improve the quality of your employees. The rest of the post is liberal progressive blather that punts to nothing in the end.
I would love for you to teach for a week and see if you would call it a part time job after that.
SOS to SEA

Piqua, OH

#24753 May 20, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
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Tea Party shills for the Education Action Group don't even bother customizing their corporate tag lines for our local community. Tune them out and learn how they're dividing our communities for personal gain!
http://eagnews.org/about/our-perspective/
As a taxpaying homeowner and voter in this school district, I would remind our SEA officials to look past the tunnel vision of Open Springboro tea party attacks, to a broader vision seeing exactly WHO is responsbile for this OEA war of words being launched against Springboro Taxpayers and our elected officials. And why all this "targeting" by Open Springboro of certain citizens who have political views that may differ?
When Springboro Parent, David Bowman, falsely accuses our board members for having no respect for teachers, while protesting on tax-payer funding school property, in front of TV cameras and new reporters, then it obvious to our community as a whole, that is Springboro parent David Bowman who is "dividing our community" for HIS own personal gain.
After all, isn't it Springboro parent, David Bowman, who is being paid to spew out these bully threats that he intends to keep intimidating our elected officials until they cave in to SEA demands for an additional teachers levy; even though our Schools Renewal Levy (with no new taxes) is all the revenue needed to keep Springboro schools both EXCELLENT and AFFORDABE?
SOS to SEA

Piqua, OH

#24754 May 20, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is the way you see it is through the lens of the Tea Party, which bears little resemblance to the changes that the Board is actually making:
http://rapgenius.com/Springboro-board-of-educ...
FOR TEACHERS SHALL REMAIN AT $34,653. EMPLOYEES SHALL CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE SAME SALARY THE EMPLOYEE PREVIOUSLY RECEIVED FOR THE 2012-2013 SCHOOL YEAR. THE SALARY SCHEDULE IDENTIFIED BY APPENDIX D OF THE PREVIOUS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT IS HEREBY NO LONGER IN EFFECT AND SHALL BE CONSIDERED NULL AND VOID.
THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION SHALL EACH APPOINT FIVE (5) MEMBERS TO A COMPENSATION COMMITTEE. THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THIS COMPENSATION COMMITTEE SHALL BE TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT A TEACHER COMPENSATION STRUCTURE BASED ON PROFESSIONAL TEACHER EFFECTIVENESS. THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION FURTHER AGREE THAT TEACHER COMPENSATION LEVELS SHALL NOT INCREASE UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT THE BOARD AND THE ASSOCIATION, THROUGH THE WORK OF THIS COMMITTEE, DEVELOP, RATIFY AND IMPLEMENT A PROFESSIONAL TEACHING COMPENSATION STRUCTURE BASED ON TEACHER PERFORMANCE AND FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY.
Inquiring Minds would ask SEA president, Mr. Maney, What is the problem with the Springboro Taxpayers "fair and balanced" offer
for this great offer of employment in Springboro Schools? Why would any teacher not want to work in their chosen profession in such a safe and comfortable environment, with great wages and benefits? Why is Mr. Maney not willing to "Open Springboro" Schools Doors and embrace this great opportunity for our school community to join with our community as a whole in Supporting Our Success in Springboro?
Support Our Success

Piqua, OH

#24755 May 20, 2013
Inquiring minds are now asking if the latest red ribbon "support our teachers" campaign is not symbolism over substance. Are there any among our parents and community members who do not support our teachers?
We can all rally the red in support of our teacher’s rights to negotiate themselves A Fair Day's Pay For A Fair Day's Work;
But, can we all support the “status quo business as usual” old, outdated teachers union rights to walk out on our children's classroom education?
Why not add a white ribbon in support of our students' rights to receive a quality education, while keeping the costs of that education affordable for Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners?
Red and white ribbons showing strong support for our teachers and children are made strongest by adding a blue ribbon of support for our school board representatives, school district administrative staff, and school district taxpayers? Can our community as a whole support our teachers and staff separate from support of our school district taxpayers and their elected officials?
Why not rally for the unity of red, white, and blue supporting substance over symbolism? Let's all rally in support of ALL working together to ensure that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keeping the costs of that education affordable, by carefully adhering to responsible spending!
We Love Springboro! G-O P-A-N-T-H-E-R-S!
Really dumb

Dayton, OH

#24756 May 20, 2013
Dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love for you to teach for a week and see if you would call it a part time job after that.
They wouldn't last a week!! Very ignorant statements about teaching being a part time job!
And The People Say Amen

Piqua, OH

#24757 May 20, 2013
Rejoice wrote:
<quoted text>
If the contract is now null and void, we can finally get some teachers in here that can and want to teach.$35K a yr for part time work isn't bad to start. With their bennies they should have no reason to complain. The ones really milking the gravy train should be glad they still have a job. Raises are for incentivizing the behavior and results you want while disincentivizing those non productive members of the group. If you give everyone the same raise you did nothing to improve the quality of your employees. The rest of the post is liberal progressive blather that punts to nothing in the end.
That sermon is among "The Best of The Class!"

(Time to put that forced unionsm collection plate back in the closet for Five More Years!)

Remember in November VOTE YES for Springboro Schools Renewal Levy
(with no additional levies needed)!

Re-elect Springboro Parent Kelly Kohls as our school board representative and help us Keep Education in Springboro both EXCELLENT and AFFORDABLE!
Twp resident

Girard, OH

#24758 May 20, 2013
Dumb wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love for you to teach for a week and see if you would call it a part time job after that.
I would love to see a typical public school teacher attempt to work a full eight (8)hour day, then repeat this pattern every week for an entire year having for time off two weeks vacation. I would love for them to figure out how to get their arses out of bed earlier and have their meetings EARLIER so out kids don't have to have these asinine 'late start' days. I would love to see a typical public school teacher pay something a bit closer to what their private sector counterparts pay for health benefits and life insurance. I would love to see a typical public school teacher receive reasonable sick pay and personal time off, and (like much of the the private sector) get paid only MAJOR holidays, and have them off to celebrate with friends and family.
You Betcha

Piqua, OH

#24759 May 20, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see a typical public school teacher attempt to work a full eight (8)hour day, then repeat this pattern every week for an entire year having for time off two weeks vacation. I would love for them to figure out how to get their arses out of bed earlier and have their meetings EARLIER so out kids don't have to have these asinine 'late start' days. I would love to see a typical public school teacher pay something a bit closer to what their private sector counterparts pay for health benefits and life insurance. I would love to see a typical public school teacher receive reasonable sick pay and personal time off, and (like much of the the private sector) get paid only MAJOR holidays, and have them off to celebrate with friends and family.
I would love to see a typical public school teacher receive a fair day's pay for a fair day's work without greedily envying what others have and constantly complaining "that's not fair!"

“Civic Innovation Designer”

Since: Mar 11

Springboro, Ohio

#24760 May 20, 2013
SOS to SEA wrote:
Why is Mr. Maney not willing to "Open Springboro" Schools Doors and embrace this great opportunity for our school community to join with our community as a whole in Supporting Our Success in Springboro?
What you are saying bears no resemblance to reality. If you we're to look at the actual proposal you would read that the Teacher's Union has proposed a leadership team composed of members from across the school district. This is the ACTUAL language from the ACTUAL proposal:

http://RapGenius.com/1790301

Conversely you will read that the Board has reserved all the power for themselves, in order to give them the authority to sell our school system to a private vendor, effectively turning our education system into Walmart, with every day low prices for our children's future.

Do you consider our community to consist of multinational education corporations who will bleed our community dry and redistribute our wealth to their off shore bank accounts?
Phony Choices

Grafton, OH

#24761 May 20, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
<quoted text>
What you are saying bears no resemblance to reality. If you we're to look at the actual proposal you would read that the Teacher's Union has proposed a leadership team composed of members from across the school district. This is the ACTUAL language from the ACTUAL proposal:
http://RapGenius.com/1790301
Conversely you will read that the Board has reserved all the power for themselves, in order to give them the authority to sell our school system to a private vendor, effectively turning our education system into Walmart, with every day low prices for our children's future.
Do you consider our community to consist of multinational education corporations who will bleed our community dry and redistribute our wealth to their off shore bank accounts?
I think we already chose a leadership team via this thing called an election. Typical union BS, if you don't like the results claim they are unfair. Whine loudly and often like the self absorbed toddler siting in their own dung That's a union on exhibition. The board does control the resources of the taxpayers, they are the duly elected stewards. If anyone has sold out it is those teachers who do their job more effectively than those who just show up for a paycheck.
Those balls and chains keep the goods dragged down by siphoning money away from the good teachers we want to keep.
Meet After School

Grafton, OH

#24762 May 21, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
would love for them to figure out how to get their arses out of bed earlier and have their meetings EARLIER so out kids don't have to have these asinine 'late start' days.
I wonder how long these meetings would last and how often they would happen if they were held after a full day of school? That would reveal how important they truly are?

“Civic Innovation Designer”

Since: Mar 11

Springboro, Ohio

#24763 May 21, 2013
Phony Choices wrote:
The board does control the resources of the taxpayers, they are the duly elected stewards. If anyone has sold out it is those teachers who do their job more effectively than those who just show up for a paycheck.
Oh, I see your logic: the Board doesn't control the resources of the taxpayers, they simply pay private legal firms to investigate turning our public schools into charter schools, so that we can decide which for-profit schools we can send our kids to.

http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stori...

Isn't it awesome knowing that there aren't any unions to protect their employees, thus affording us the opportunity to select teachers who make less than minimum wage without health insurance? I mean, that's what makes Walmart so awesome, as their employees are worth a dime a dozen to them, the same as their products.
LOVES TAX AND SPEND

Piqua, OH

#24764 May 21, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
<quoted text>
I appreciate you taking the time to personalize your corporate sales pitch for the citizens of Sringboro, but it'll still an empty promise that is being forced down the throats of parents all across the nation. Here's the sales pitch directly from their website:
"Dismal test scores, out-of-control unsustainable spending, and the ardent defense of adults’ rights have all pushed the government education system to the brink of irrelevance. And worse yet, it’s all having a direct impact on our future ability to compete in the world.
"Little is being done about it. Education Action Group Foundation believes the one-size-fits-all, assembly line government school system requires serious reform.
"Put the needs of students first. What do students need in order to be successful? A quality teacher in every classroom. Up-to-date teaching methods and supplies.“Quality-blind” layoff rules are an insult to effective teachers."
SOUND FAMILIAR???
SOURCE: http://eagnews.org/about/our-perspective/
Local school and city/township government leaders who just loathe responsible spending, and just love tax and spend, are an INSULT to local taxpayers who are being bullied by big national/state and local labor unions. The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda. Since 2009, one Springboro parent, Kelly Kohls, has worked tirelessly to educate all Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners/voters in our school district that It doesn't take more money to ensure a quality education for our school children; it takes more accountability.
The time has come for Springboro parents (including David Bowman) to stop bashing and bullying Springboro parent and BOE president, Kelly Kohls! Why are a few of our Springboro parents protesting against other Springboro parents who support responsible spending; vowing to vote for revenge and take back "their" board?"
Those of us who Support Our Success of our children firt budgeting school board representatives are now asking: Why is the "school community of union employees and union activists parents" protesting against our Springboro community as a whole?
The time has come for our Springboro Schools "community" of staff and teachers to stop their war of words attacking Springboro taxpayers for more Money! Our Transparency Projects reveals the generous financial support offered our school union employees by the citizens of our community/city school district.
Who Do You Trust

Piqua, OH

#24765 May 21, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see your logic: the Board doesn't control the resources of the taxpayers, they simply pay private legal firms to investigate turning our public schools into charter schools, so that we can decide which for-profit schools we can send our kids to.
http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stori...
Isn't it awesome knowing that there aren't any unions to protect their employees, thus affording us the opportunity to select teachers who make less than minimum wage without health insurance? I mean, that's what makes Walmart so awesome, as their employees are worth a dime a dozen to them, the same as their products.
As for me and my household of voters, we will continuing trusting the leadership of our Springboro BOE representatives, under the leadership of Springboro Parent/Board President Kelly Kohls.
We will continue going about our way throughout our neighborhoods, educating others of this harmful "Open Springboro hostility" caused by this OEA war of words, which is dividing the school union employees against school district Taxpayers.
Thank You, BOE Members for allowing budget/contract proposal transparency on the school website; which proves that the time has come for our SEA president to tear down his Union Wall of Hostility and Bully Attacks; and accept the school employment offer that Springboro Taxpayers and Our elected school board officials have offered.
Vote with Your Wallet

Grafton, OH

#24766 May 21, 2013
Open Springboro wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see your logic: the Board doesn't control the resources of the taxpayers, they simply pay private legal firms to investigate turning our public schools into charter schools, so that we can decide which for-profit schools we can send our kids to.
http://www.abc22now.com/shared/news/top-stori...
Isn't it awesome knowing that there aren't any unions to protect their employees, thus affording us the opportunity to select teachers who make less than minimum wage without health insurance? I mean, that's what makes Walmart so awesome, as their employees are worth a dime a dozen to them, the same as their products.
The people voted with their wallets and now WalMart is an unqualified success. People vote for their choices everyday, most employees opt out of unions as soon as they have the chance. 93% of employees in the private sector are not in a union. If unions were all they were cracked up to be union membership would not have fallen from 39% to 7% in two generations.
Reject Forced Unionism

Piqua, OH

#24767 May 21, 2013
Forced Unionism forces public school teachers to support mean-spirited Maney Acts, like Gail Dauber grandstanding at public meeting, falsely accusing our BOE elected officials of showing "disrespect" to Springboro teachers! How ironic is that?
It was Gail Dauber's projection into the TV camera that Springboro Parent and Board President should forfeit "rights to free speech" unless approved by the forced unionism label."
Where's the R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Gail Dauber, due our Springboro BOE President and Our Springboro taxpayers' VOICE for our children first, sounded loudly at the polls in November 2011?
poundsand

Miamisburg, OH

#24768 May 21, 2013
Pay no attention to to the man behind the curtain 'open springboro'.

He works at one of the largest foreign owned corporations in town. The corporation he works at has replaced 100's of local workers over the last few years with foreign labor and off-shored 100's of more jobs.

All his blather about multinational education corporations is nonsense.

Can you say 'Hypocrite'.
Heart Burn

United States

#24769 May 21, 2013
Twp resident wrote:
<quoted text>
I would love to see a typical public school teacher attempt to work a full eight (8)hour day, then repeat this pattern every week for an entire year having for time off two weeks vacation. I would love for them to figure out how to get their arses out of bed earlier and have their meetings EARLIER so out kids don't have to have these asinine 'late start' days. I would love to see a typical public school teacher pay something a bit closer to what their private sector counterparts pay for health benefits and life insurance. I would love to see a typical public school teacher receive reasonable sick pay and personal time off, and (like much of the the private sector) get paid only MAJOR holidays, and have them off to celebrate with friends and family.
Well said. As a previous poster said...they wouldn't last the day, let alone a full 12 month work year. And that is the crux of the fair pay argument. To put it in perspective, a 180 day contract work year at 45,000 per year is equivalent to 66,250 per 265 day work year. 265 days is what the average non teacher laboror works per year with weekends off. So if a teacher that is making 45,000 per year for the contracted days they agreed to, in a job they choose, why are they complaing about making the equivalent of 66,250 per year? Is it their choice of work that they went to college for that allows them to sit around Tamarack Swim Club ALL summer and complain about how little they make. If you want to make a fair wage for a fairs days work, then work more days...ie get a summer job.

And I wont even bring up the disparity in the cost of the benefits that the people that work 265 have to pay versus those that choose to work 180 days have to pay. Ask yourself, who makes up the difference in that disparity?

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