Being a garbage man is no day at the beach either. A trauma nurse working in the knife and gun club at Good Sam doesn't have it easy either. How about the night clerk at the convenience store up on North Dixie? The men and women in all kinds of weather conditions day or night keeping your power flowing? The men and women who have given of themselves to protect this country in wastelands like Afghanistan and Iraq on multiple deployments working 24/7, you think they wouldn't like a summer off? Try living in a foxhole for a few days in some crappy weather while somebody is trying to kill you, that will make you appreciate how cush you got it. Spare me the tales of sacrifice a lot of people got it a lot harder.I am not a teacher, but I am very blessed with a good job and wonderful family. I am thankful my family is healthy. I am thankful for a wonderful home and community.
I work many hours. I appreciate the love and care teachers provide my children outside of my house. Most teachers with Masters make in the $40k range for the hours worked.
This does not include summers or days off. We are blessed we have this freedom to debate. It is unfortunate the economy has brought out ugliness in so many.
If teaching is easy, please try it for a month, then share your opinion. I am not going to try it.
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#23982 Mar 31, 2013
#23983 Mar 31, 2013
Wow, you have a lot of hatred. I never said any of those people did not have it hard. Your statements are from a bitter person. I am strong hearted conservative.
Putting teachings in the middle of bitter battle solves nothing. This is the situation they were given. They did not wish for this or your negative thoughts towards them. They are people performing a job that many love and are passionate about.
Your statements are band standing and off point. Way to gain public points when you don't have one. Those professions have it very hard. I have not walked in their shoes and I am very thankful for our military, nurses, teachers, etc. All are in battle zones they did not ask for.
#23984 Mar 31, 2013
and unfortunate that many good, hard working people in all occupations are being thrust into battle zones of riducule and harsh judgements pitting public service workers vs private sector workers, and bullying arguments of why public service workers are so much more deserving and caring; and should be paid so much more. unfortunate that all Ohio workers don't have the right to work in whatever job they have expertise, with the workplace freedom of earning their pay on their own merit; without being enslaved to payments out of their salaries of big collective union dues.
#23985 Mar 31, 2013
I just think we should start a blog on all your jobs and bash the fact that many of you can go to the bathroom when you want to with out a bell telling you when you can or take a phone call when you need to. Do you give your clients your home number? I do because I can usually only talk to parents during off hours because my phone doesn't ring in my classroom. Did you have to get a bachalor's and a master's degree to keep your job? I did. Do you have to deal with clients who could give a damn about the product (their kid). Do you have to go out and buy clothes and food for your clients because they don't have any? Do you ever have to worry about being hit or bit by your clients. I have worked in business for years before I became a teacher and didn't have to deal with this. But I did choose teaching for the passion of helping kids. I do not thinking that asking for a raise after six years is asking too much but you who have never stepped into a classroom as an adult just go on putting us down. It makes you feel superior to those of us who are trying to shape and make a difference in the lives of those who one day will be taking care of your retirement. I hope they treat you the same way you treat those of us that choose to make a difference. Everyone's jobi is important from the garbage man to the clerk that works at a deli. Do you go into the deli and tell the person working at the counter that you don't think you are going to pay them for their food because al they did was throw the meat on the bun. No, you pay for what you get.
You negative people just drive me nuts since you speak without a clue of what it is like to be in a classroom as a teacher. But go ahead, keep complaining that we are over paid, vacation taking lazy people who only want money to live our lavish life style. Oh and by the way, I am loosing my home due to not having a raise, but my heat, Internet, phone bills, groceries, insurance and gas have all increased. Not to mention the tuition for my children's college has increased. I haven't taken a vacation in several years but I am a money grubbing teacher who lives off the hands of you tax paying citizens. Oh wait, I pay taxes here too. You are such narrow-minded bigots and have no compassion. Do you consider yourself a good Christian too? That would be the icing on the cake, since they are supposed to live as Jesus did. Not judging those whom you don't know.
#23987 Apr 1, 2013
Welcome to The Wealthy Community of Caring Springboro! Springboro parents and taxpaying homeowners have been fooled for years with the same old mantra from our local government leaders----All homeowners ARE Wealthy encough to continue voting YES to tax increases (needed to increase union employees salaries and benefits) and just leave the "spreading of our community wealth" to the collective "fair share law" of the government
Well, top heavy admininstrative costs of local government has now broken the backs of local taxpaying homeowners; We are educating ourselves to say No to tax increases on our family homes and telling our government administrators to CUT local government expenses and learn to live within our means; and the best place to start is with the benefits packages that are costing local homeowners (like Irish1158) to lose their homes.
Irish 1158 did not mention how many dollars of our hard earned school tax dollars are being paid out in big Union Dues, that are then used AGAINST us in local, state and national pro-union campaigns.
The emotional and spiritual manipulation of bitter bloggers "commanding and demanding" that the government "rob Peter to pay Paul" is business as usual political evil strategy, right out of the teachers union bible--
Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.
It is financially unfortunate that a teacher is losing the family home; but no more unfortunate than any other of my neighbors who have lost good paying jobs in the local area, and were forced to sell their homes and relocate to another state where employment was found.
Irish1158 should be reminded that these neighbors did not attack others, blaming their difficult circumstances on their neighbors who had NO compassion... Why do teachers think this school-yard bullying of their neighbors is effective in forcing MORE money out of homeowners household budget?
#23989 Apr 1, 2013
Average is the total of all salaries divided by the number of teachers
Median is the exact middle of the frequency distribution equal number above and below that point.
2010-2011 School Year
050427 Springboro Community City
School..........Teacher Salary Avg .........Teacher Salary Median
Clearcreek Elementary School......$49,019..........4 7,092
Dennis Elementary East..........54,847.......... 45,623
Dennis Elementary West..........60,759.......... 49,252
Five Points Elementary East..........53,164.......... 45,839
Five Points Elementary West.........$48,416.......... 42,859
Springboro High School..........60,003........ ..60,140
Springboro Intermediate School....$54,839..........49, 252
Springboro Junior High School......$56,180..........5 0,116
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#23991 Apr 1, 2013
As stated before, come do my job for a week, be sure to wear long sleeve in case you get bit, then we can have a more intelligent conversation. Oh, and by the way, the kids need size 7 to 10 clothing and they like graham crackers for breakfast. Don't forget the milk too cause some of them don't drink that for breakfast, their caring parents give them Mountain Dew and Poptarts.
I hope you don't need surgery during the week either because our "fantastic" insurance doesn't cover that much and and your simple surgery will end up costing you $10,000.
Have a blessed day.
#23993 Apr 1, 2013
In America you are free to pursue any direction or career you please. Each career comes with its own set of virtues and vices. How those line up with your particular wants and desires is up to you to balance.
If you find teaching an onerous profession, perhaps you need to pursue other options. No one is locked into a position, we all have options and it sounds like from the tone of your post you are ready to jump out of the pan and into the fire. Frightening as it may seem, you will look back and soon discover that it was the best move you ever made.
Life is too short to waste toiling in a position you obviously despise.
#23994 Apr 1, 2013
Don't bully me, Teacher. YOU do not CLOTHE NOR FEED my child!
And neither should YOU have opportunity as a school employee to "FEED" the Minds of Children from your big bowl full of bitterness and resentment.
Are there absolutely no expectations in princples of work ethics of Springboro Schools employees? How did a teacher with this unprofessional attitude toward children and their parents et into our children's classroom?
And more importantly, how can parents and concerned citizens for our children's future get non-caring teachers out of our classrooms?
#23998 Apr 1, 2013
It is funny that you call me uncaring. No maybe I don't have to feed or cloth YOUR children but there are a number of kids who come to school on an empty stomach. I have no resentment about what I do or why I do it. I just would like a cost of living raise but if you think that is asking too much fine, I will continue to feed, cloth and love my students and my job. All I have been trying to get across is that it is a profession and I am tired of being treated like a lazy, money grubbing individual. I pay taxes too. I don't resent it if the police or fire department ask for a raise and they are union employees I believe. I don't resent my taxes going up to fund better township services because I know that when all is said and done the better your community the better the housing prices are. Too bad in my neighborhood so many houses are for sale and no one is buying because of the disparity of people in the community. A community that is as divided as ours is not a place most people moving want to come to. Everyone loses in that case.
Anyway, I am done arguing with the narrow minded bigots on this sight. I think I will go back to my job and try to teach my students tolerance and perhaps they will be better citizens then most of you self-centered people on here.
#23999 Apr 1, 2013
The $900 million that Stockton owes to the California Public Employees' Retirement System to cover pension promises is its biggest debt. So far Stockton has kept up with pension payments while it has reneged on other debts, maintaining that it needs a strong pension plan to retain its pared-down workforce.
By 2009 Stockton had accumulated nearly $1 billion in debt on civic improvements, money owed to pay pension contributions, and the most generous health care benefit in the state—coverage for life for all retirees plus a dependent, no matter how long they had worked for the city.
I wonder how these contracts and obligations were negotiated?
#24000 Apr 1, 2013
Thank you for your Mother Teresa outlook for our children, I am sure all of the dirt bag parents you describe appreciate your altruistic efforts.
Police ad Firemen work 52 weeks per year, providing service every day of the year and around the clock. 2080 hours of service vs 1181.25 hours for our professional teaching staff.
175 days x 7.25 hours per day= 1268.75 hours per year - 87.5 hours for lunch = 1181.25 per year
When I checked the states salary reports going back to 2008 I do not find many teachers who have not had a raise each year(by many I am talking about less than 7% our of 330 odd teachers). Everyone else had raises some of them quite substantial,($7-10,000 dollars).
I believe that is substantially more than a mere cost of living raise. This flies in the face of your claim that you have not had a raise in many years, unless you are one of the top earners to begin with making over $60,000 per school year (1181.25 hours or $50.79/hour wage)
$60,000 on 175 days is $342.83 per day.
Those unsold houses will translate into lower property tax dollars available to pay your salary.
Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.
If my numbers are incorrect, please feel free to correct them with a reasonable explanation.
#24001 Apr 2, 2013
Thanks for all you do!
#24002 Apr 2, 2013
Yes, thank you for all you do. Some people in this town do respect teachers and the teaching profession!
Don't drive yourself crazy reading the limited views on this blog.
#24003 Apr 2, 2013
I think if you check the records home sales are way up in Springboro. I feel it is because we have responsibile people in most local government who are trying not to waste our tax dollars.
I know some teachers work really hard but that has nothing at all to do with this debate. Many people in all proffesions work hard. It all evens out.
#24004 Apr 2, 2013
'Scuse me teach, but the narrow minded bigots are your union leaders.
Do us a favor and stick to teaching reading, writing and math.
One of the pet words of this age is tolerance... we have tried to stretch it over too great an area. We have applied it, too often, where it does not belong. The word tolerant means liberal and broad-minded. In one sense, it implies the compromise of one’s convictions, a yielding of ground upon important issues. We have become tolerant about divorce, the use of alcohol, delinquency, wickedness in high places, immorality, crime and godlessness. We have been sapped of conviction, drained of our beliefs, and we are bereft of our faith.
A great historian in 1888 briefly discussed “Tolerance” by stating it means an inability to say “Yes” or “No.” It expresses the users “... the inability to take a stand.”
Our kids don't need to be taught 'tolerance'. Good grief.
#24005 Apr 2, 2013
Judge not your neighbor according to Alinsky's rules of ridiculing Christians by smirking that no one can live up to "perfection."
There's only one Perfect One -- Our Lord and Savior, the One Son of God, Jesus Christ. And we all know according to scriptures that the "tax collectors" taunted even The Perfect One.
The biblical teaching of ...be ye therefore perfect... is simply The Way of those who follow the teachings of Jesus... always striving, but always knowing that we teach for eternity...life is a journey of learning and growing spiritually....so there is, no not one, who has has graduated life's education of having "arrived" as the expert in judging others (with whom you disagree on the issue of increasing school taxes) as narrow minded bigots having no compassion...
#24007 Apr 2, 2013
Tolerance from the union level means that a person agrees with the union position.
If that person deviates from the union position they are deemed narrow minded bigots.
Makes perfect sense to me.
#24008 Apr 2, 2013
Teachers in Springboro are contracted for 185 days. There you go again fudging numbers to fit your claim. The average 40 hour a week person works 240 days a year with their vacation days and government holidays as well. Step raises are about 1,000 dollars a year. Where on earth do you see 7,000 to 10,000 dollar raises?
#24009 Apr 2, 2013
You must have too many Corona's.
So how many hours of instruction do you provide per year?
Step raises? You mean a raise in pay each year? For what?
Provides you public employee salary information, just plug in the school name, district name, and salary range you wish to investigate
Look under the special education teachers pay, some science teachers, some math teachers, some foreign language teachers, basically all over the spectrum. There you will find a multitude of teachers who have seen their pay rise $7,000-$10,000 since 2008.
The vast majority have seen their pay increase from $5,000-$6500 during the same time frame.
Only a bare handful received nothing for some reason.
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