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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23633 Feb 23, 2013
Blah wrote:
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Please provide examples and details about how many of these teachers are indoctrinating your children and how they are victims. I've never heard of any teachers telling students to resent the board or school decisions. I would hope that the union would be looking out for the teachers. after all, unions are meant to "protect" employees. I could care less about teachers wages, benefits, or non-essential classes. I want my child to have a well-rounded education with choices. Springboro is a great school district and if it wasn't everyone on here would have moved, homeschooled, or put their kids in a charter/private school. You talk about taxes and the cost to the community? We're the ones who screwed up buying and spending outside our means and not being able to afford additional taxes. The cost of living goes up and likely the cost of educating will as well. The entire system of funding seems to center around property taxes...then lets talk to our state reprentatives about finding ways to tax evenly so that everyone shares the burden instead of just homeowners. KY uses taxes on food, auto fees, and a smaller portion I property taxes to fund schools. They gave up stupid tests like the OGT and decided to give students the ACT to gauge learning and to show some students who score well that college is a possibility for them. I envy my relatives who live there and never complain about teachers, school boards, and levys....
There was a teacher at Dennis that offered candy to the children in her classroom to take a piece of union propaganda that was attached to the child's progress book home and have it signed and returned. That was this school year, 2012-2013

I recall a "mass" spontaneous meeting of a few children in support of keeping a high school principal in his job rather than transferring to a new one, whereby he could aide more children.( The school district subsequently filled that position with, in hindsight, a much stronger candidate )

Unions don't give a tinkers dam about the individual, unions do, however, care very much about sustaining the cash flow that the individual provides. Unions are a business that sells a product just like every other buisness. Ask some of those ex GM employees how well the union has been looking after the little guy since they stopped paying their dues do to sustained unemployment?

We "screwed up buying and spending outside our means"?

Seriously, that statement in and of itself may describe your particular situation, but do not toss me in with your bad habits. School districts have plenty of money if it is allocated in the best interests of its mission. Union work rules preclude some of the changes necessary to make the system as efficient as the funding allows. Blindly adding to the cost each year to match an inflation that has not risen its head in 5 years is absurd. That is the reason you have school principals adding Sports History, Current Events, or Music and Film (where you watch movies and notice how the soundtrack adds to the experience) to the curriculum. All the while ignoring over 2000 plus students who do not get the education the taxpayers are funding.

It's call fiddling while Rome burns.

If you don't believe me, read the report provided at the last school board meeting regarding a Program of Studies Review by the Warren County Education Service Center.
focus

Dayton, OH

#23634 Feb 23, 2013
while all you folks are in a pissing match about school issues,it may be of interest of you that the township is about to screw you with a fire levy..."HELLO" ?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23635 Feb 23, 2013
Get real wrote:
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Lets remember there are a lot of students that are doing very well in Springboro - one that got a perfect score on his ACT and many more that scored very high. So instead of keeping up the 2000 failing students bit why don't you figure out why some students learn better than others. Maybe the bigger problem is the parents failing their own kids and not so much the schools.
The fact that so many are so quick to bury the bad news to celebrate the good, is problem that we all face in this community.

You can't take all the credit for producing really smart kids, when the same system also produces 3 out of 8 children with less than a sterling education. We as a school district own the entire program, good and bad. We includes students, parents, teachers, administrators, BOE, and taxpayers, in other words all of us are in the same boat.

People tend to paper over the poor scores and concentrate on the good ones, human nature I suppose.

But those 2000 plus children who are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding need solutions, or we will surely cast those children adrift without the necessary survival skills in the not too distant future.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23636 Feb 23, 2013
Get real wrote:
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Not all students can take AP history but I guess no one cares about them, as long as the classes cut reduce costs right? Instead of more PE, why not more science and math which Springboro could definitely use more of - oh yeah that might cost too much. Kids first, my a##.
I believe the BOE has added a couple of those classes this year and for next. Reallocation of resources from Current Events to Statistics seems to be in line with what you are writing.

You can also take advantage of the PSEO program and take higher level classes in those subjects at the college level and gain FREE college credits in the process.

Win/win situation for everyone, student, parent, and the school.

Please show me where to find this BOE move to add more PE classes.

I trust your assertion, I just like to verify that assertion for myself.

Trust, but verify.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#23637 Feb 23, 2013
focus wrote:
while all you folks are in a pissing match about school issues,it may be of interest of you that the township is about to screw you with a fire levy..."HELLO" ?
YES! A few are trying to get the word out on the "Ambulance, Fire levy" forum.
Just Because

Cincinnati, OH

#23638 Feb 24, 2013
focus wrote:
while all you folks are in a pissing match about school issues,it may be of interest of you that the township is about to screw you with a fire levy..."HELLO" ?
Just because those interested in doing the right thing for
our schools and community are not grandstanding with disgusting expressions like that above; doesn't mean that we are not fully aware of the Gabbard/Wade plan to dig deeper into taxpayers pockets for more job security for the union masters.
Gabbard was swept into elected office with big money from union-activists, with the you scratch my back-I scratch yours "deal."
Anybody know how much money Gabbard/Wade has already cost over-taxed homeonwers by putting this on the May ballot, instead of waiting until November?
Just Because

Cincinnati, OH

#23639 Feb 24, 2013
focus wrote:
while all you folks are in a pissing match about school issues,it may be of interest of you that the township is about to screw you with a fire levy..."HELLO" ?
Just because our "always promoting school levies" board member Don Miller failed in his attempt to shove this renewal levy down the throats of taxpayers by spending big bucks to do so; doesn't mean that union activists have to bring their Stephi B potty mouth out of the board room and onto this discusssion blog.
Potty mouth kids in our teachers union public schools are most likely reprimanded by our awfully awesome union teachers in our kids' classrooms; but the radical rule of ridicule of potty mouth mom Stephi B is applauded by the severly-misguided supporters of board member, Don Miller, who proclaims himslef being elected to protect the self-interest agenda of power and control, projected into the community by our public schools teachers union.
Oh Yeah

Cincinnati, OH

#23640 Feb 24, 2013
truth to power wrote:
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Of course they're not.
Babb, Carlisle el al has found recruits in the way of some of Boro's most pretentious.
...and some of Boro's biggest bullies like that potty-mouthed mom Stephi B. This boro bully-mom with the potty-mouth is like a big old sherman tank crushing down on the board members, pulling rank as a "has been in the military" ...therefore, the school board is thereby ordered to defer ALL authority to ME, and what ME wants, for MY kids.
Broader Vision

Cincinnati, OH

#23641 Feb 25, 2013
Truth wrote:
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Do not be fooled by all the nonsense Children First board they added PE courses and cut academic classes.
Common Sense voters, supporting our reform-minded children first board representatives, will not be fooled by the status quo tunnel vision of long-time board member, Don Miller, and Miller's support base of union/community activists, who relentlessly protest our board to reverse our BOE majority 2012 achievements; thereby deferring our children's future to the SEA 2006 agenda of business as usual; deferring our children-first best interests to the SEA adults-first self-interest priority of more control over our school tax dollars, and our children's classroom education.

We will not be fooled; we will not step down.

We respectfully ask tunnel-vision board member, Don Miller, to either step up and march to the beat of the new philosophy and broader vision of our reform-minded BOE majority; or please show respect to ALL voters who elected you and just step down; or at least sit quietly "on the board" till your time runs out at the polls in November.
Broader Vision

Cincinnati, OH

#23642 Feb 25, 2013
Don't be fooled by the Don Miller and Miller's support base of union/community activists (some of which include paid bowman blogger and supporters of the 2012 bad babb for boro failed union-financed-campaign).

We need to continue firm support for our BOE majority achievements; AND we need to re-elect Kelly Kohls to serve our school children and community four more years; AND we need to join our board majority, ONE more good citizen, who has thick-skinned leadership expertise and shares the same broader vision philosophy for our children's future, to step up AND help us; so that our longest sitting tunnel-vision board member, Don Miller, can step down in November.

Mr. Miller is the last man "sitting" who is not on board with our reform-minded board representatives. Our BOE majority's tireless efforts and expertise in leadership and finances, are bringing about much-needed changes improving in the way we educate all children in our Springboro school district/community.

Please check out on the school board website the 2012 highlights of our new board's amazingly awesome achievements, in just one year, addressing AND meeting many "unmet needs" for services for our children, that had been ignored and never addressed, nor met, by previous board members(including Don Miller) and previous school district leaders (who have chosen to leave employment in our school district, rather than work with our new board philosophy of "children first" investment of our school tax dollars.

Please check out the new and informative school website, including the timely message to the community from our school superintendent, in which Mr. Petrey states:
"We have to infuse today's lessons with tomorrow's vision!"
Just Awesome Inspiritation!
What say ye, Mr. Miller? Are you on board with our new board philosophy of assuring a quality education for all children in our community while living within our means?
Or, will you continue sitting on the board wasting taxpayers time and money "protecting" the public schools teachers union's rights to fight against
Springboro residents for "OEA-indoctrinated social justice?"
WrongTurn Miller St

Cleveland, OH

#23643 Feb 25, 2013
Broader Vision wrote:
Don't be fooled by the Don Miller and Miller's support base of union/community activists (some of which include paid bowman blogger and supporters of the 2012 bad babb for boro failed union-financed-campaign).
We need to continue firm support for our BOE majority achievements; AND we need to re-elect Kelly Kohls to serve our school children and community four more years; AND we need to join our board majority, ONE more good citizen, who has thick-skinned leadership expertise and shares the same broader vision philosophy for our children's future, to step up AND help us; so that our longest sitting tunnel-vision board member, Don Miller, can step down in November.
Mr. Miller is the last man "sitting" who is not on board with our reform-minded board representatives. Our BOE majority's tireless efforts and expertise in leadership and finances, are bringing about much-needed changes improving in the way we educate all children in our Springboro school district/community.
Please check out on the school board website the 2012 highlights of our new board's amazingly awesome achievements, in just one year, addressing AND meeting many "unmet needs" for services for our children, that had been ignored and never addressed, nor met, by previous board members(including Don Miller) and previous school district leaders (who have chosen to leave employment in our school district, rather than work with our new board philosophy of "children first" investment of our school tax dollars.
Please check out the new and informative school website, including the timely message to the community from our school superintendent, in which Mr. Petrey states:
"We have to infuse today's lessons with tomorrow's vision!"
Just Awesome Inspiritation!
What say ye, Mr. Miller? Are you on board with our new board philosophy of assuring a quality education for all children in our community while living within our means?
Or, will you continue sitting on the board wasting taxpayers time and money "protecting" the public schools teachers union's rights to fight against
Springboro residents for "OEA-indoctrinated social justice?"
To his credit, Miller seems to have improved his word enunciation abilities to a certain degree. His verbal abilities now stand head and shoulders above Neanderthals and cannibals from Appalachia.
Do Know Do You

Cincinnati, OH

#23644 Feb 25, 2013
WrongTurn Miller St wrote:
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To his credit, Miller seems to have improved his word enunciation abilities to a certain degree. His verbal abilities now stand head and shoulders above Neanderthals and cannibals from Appalachia.
Have absolutely no idea what the above statement means;

Do know that business as usual board member Don Miller means to continue aligning himself with the teachers union/community activists in promoting the politics of destruction; in efforts to distract, discredit, and personally attack character of our reform minded BOE majority and our school district's new philosophy of children first budgeting.
Do know there is no credit due Don Miller for protecting public schools teacher union agenda of positioining themselves in negotiations for more power over school board authority.
Do know that these union/community activists are wasting taxpayer's time and our school tax dollars with all their
paranoia and taxpayer-funded law suits over keeping the "outsiders" from inside the "business" of the Springboro Education Association. Do know that board member Don Miller is the only one left of the original 5 board members who promoted over and over a false budget crisis manipulating increased taxes from Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners so that union employees could have increased wages and health care benefits, at the expense of cutting needed services to our school children.
Do know that two elected terms of office for Don Miller has proven
that "old outdated status quo leadership" simply has not worked for our children first;and simply has not earned a 2014 seat in the boardroom with reform-minded board members, with whom Don Miller has voted against our children first; and has fearfully clung to his same old tired mantra, that he was elected to protect the public schools teachers union, adult first agenda.
Our children's 21st centrury education simply cannot "THRIVE" with four more years of Don Miller's tunnel vision.
Oh Yeah

Cincinnati, OH

#23645 Feb 25, 2013
WrongTurn Miller St wrote:
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To his credit, Miller seems to have improved his word enunciation abilities to a certain degree. His verbal abilities now stand head and shoulders above Neanderthals and cannibals from Appalachia.
Oh Yeah! Know what you Mean!

BUT, ima meaning to say: how we gonna appreciate Miller's improved word enunciation, when we are so distracted by that great old big unionized "brown nose of Miller?"
Just Watching

Springboro, OH

#23646 Feb 25, 2013
What's wrong with replacing academic courses with PE courses. That's what we need to service those 2000 children we have been talking about. Remember "Fitness First."
Just Watching

Springboro, OH

#23647 Feb 25, 2013
People tend to paper over the poor scores and concentrate on the good ones, human nature I suppose.

But those 2000 plus children who are not getting the education the taxpayers are funding need solutions, or we will surely cast those children adrift without the necessary survival skills in the not too distant future.

Answer more PE courses, we'll call this new strategy survival of the fitness.
lets hire Richard Simmons

Cleveland, OH

#23648 Feb 25, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
What's wrong with replacing academic courses with PE courses. That's what we need to service those 2000 children we have been talking about. Remember "Fitness First."
Overweight/obesity is also a significant and growing problem for our nation’s youth. Results of the 2011 YRBSS (Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System) survey provided by the CDC indicate that approximately 15% of all Ohio high school students were obese. Ohio is 1 of 12 US states with the most obese high school students, ranging from 15 to 19 percent. Diet and physical activity also play a significant role in the problem – 2011 YRBSS data also indicate that 84.5% of Ohio high school students were eating less than five servings of fruits and vegetables per day, 32.4% watching three or more hours of television per day, and 48% not attending physical education classes on a weekly basis. Overweight/obese children often become adults with weight problems, which can lead to an increase in preventable chronic diseases, such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and arthritis.

http://www.ohiopha.org/admin/uploads/document...
Boro Dad

Urbana, OH

#23649 Feb 25, 2013
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the Industrial Arts program is being dropped. I know it seems to be the way of things, but it's still hard to believe considering what we used to have years back.

seems like a shame to get rid of this...
http://springboroindtech.blogspot.com/
No Shame

Cincinnati, OH

#23650 Feb 25, 2013
Boro Dad wrote:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that the Industrial Arts program is being dropped. I know it seems to be the way of things, but it's still hard to believe considering what we used to have years back.
seems like a shame to get rid of this...
http://springboroindtech.blogspot.com/
No shame in dropping Industrial Arts program.
Let's face it...what we used to have years back was typing classes taught using manual typewriters...
it's the 21st century;
as our school superintendent states: We have to infuse today's lessons with tomorrow's vision.
Just Sitting Idle

Miamisburg, OH

#23651 Feb 25, 2013
No Shame wrote:
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No shame in dropping Industrial Arts program.
Let's face it...what we used to have years back was typing classes taught using manual typewriters...
it's the 21st century;
as our school superintendent states: We have to infuse today's lessons with tomorrow's vision.
Statements like this show peoples ignorance. Typewriters have been replaced by computers and keyboarding which those types of classes are still offered. Today's industrial arts is not that of your Daddy's it involves CAD, Architectural Design, Drafting to mention a few. Who needs these types of classes in the 21st Century? I'm sure these skills will not be necessary in the 21st Century. Better yet let's keep History of Rock and Roll and cut U.S. Military History. Why not get rid of these and add PE Team Sports and Individual Sports.' Wait that's what did happen, so much for vision. The teacher who taught these courses makes 1/3 of the salary of our PE teacher. Remember the new motto is "Fitness First." These are the answers to helping those 2000 students that Springboro is not reaching.
Just Sitting Idle

Miamisburg, OH

#23652 Feb 25, 2013
lets hire Richard Simmons wrote:
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Overweight/obesity is also a significant and growing problem for our nation’s youth. Results of the 2011 YRBSS (Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System) survey provided by the CDC indicate that approximately 15% of all Ohio high school students were obese. Ohio is 1 of 12 US states with the most obese high school students, ranging from 15 to 19 percent. Diet and physical activity also play a significant role in the problem – 2011 YRBSS data also indicate that 84.5% of Ohio high school students were eating less than five servings of fruits and vegetables per day, 32.4% watching three or more hours of television per day, and 48% not attending physical education classes on a weekly basis. Overweight/obese children often become adults with weight problems, which can lead to an increase in preventable chronic diseases, such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, and arthritis.
http://www.ohiopha.org/admin/uploads/document...
That's great let's make teachers now responsible for childhood obesity, TV viewing, and proper dieting. At what point and when are the parents responsible for their children?

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