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Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23423 Feb 13, 2013
Fourth, no obscene language will be tolerated anywhere on this school's property -- whether in class, in the hallways or at athletic events. If you can't speak without using the f -word, you can't speak. By obscene language I mean the words banned by the Federal Communications Commission, plus epithets such as "N...gger," even when used by one black student to address another black, or "B...tch," even when addressed by a girl to a girlfriend. It is my intent that by the time you leave this school, you will be among the few your age to instinctively distinguish between the elevated and the degraded, the holy and the obscene.

Fifth, we will end all self-esteem programs. In this school, self-esteem will be attained in only one way -- the way people attained it until decided otherwise a generation ago -- by earning it. One immediate consequence is that there will be one valedictorian, not eight.

Sixth, and last, I am reorienting the school toward academics and away from politics and propaganda. No more time will be devoted to scaring you about smoking and caffeine, or terrifying you about sexual harassment or global warming. No more semesters will be devoted to condom wearing and teaching you to regard sexual relations as only or primarily a health issue... There will be no more attempts to convince you that you are a victim because you are not white, or not male, or not heterosexual or not Christian. We will have failed if any one of you graduates this school and does not consider him or herself inordinately fortunate -- to be alive and to be an American.
Now, please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of our country. As many of you do not know the words, your teachers will hand them out to you.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23424 Feb 13, 2013
Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host suggesting a few things for Americans.
Common sense stuff, but seemingly lost today.
Do You Understand

Piqua, OH

#23425 Feb 13, 2013
Is the Illusion of Excellence Harmful?

Districts love to point to their fine report card rating as evidence of high performance. Real estate agents love to tout those excellent ratings as proof that a home in the community is a good value. But at some point, Ohioans may want to take a serious look at what is really happening in their school districts. Parents and taxpayers need to know that “excellent” may not be as advertised. It is a disservice to the general public, to parents and especially to children when we pretend that more and more districts are doing a stellar job, when they are not. The stakes are much higher than they are for 1st grade soccer players, who are all superstars. Policymakers must acknowledge that there are serious flaws in an evaluation system that says that the majority of districts are doing excellent work, when all of the data comparing Ohio students nationally and internationally paint a very different picture.

A major disconnect exists when Ohio’s standards suggest that 51.7% of 8th graders are performing at an accelerated or advanced level in reading and the national data suggest that only a small fraction of these 8th graders are anywhere near an advanced level.
tit for tat

Girard, OH

#23426 Feb 14, 2013
Good News wrote:
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Those attending school board meetings and watching the TV broadcasts can be encouraged that our BOE does listen to what we have to say! Check on the school website to find BOE briefings on changing the structure of our board meetings, now holding the business meeting first in the LGI room; and the work session in the media room afterwards. The public will still get to participate in both sessions. But, the work sessions may not be so drawn out; since the agenda items presented will not be voted on the same night; but two weeks later at following regularly scheduled business meeting.
Im good with it .....so long as they wont cave to the union bi###es' incessent attitute of greed.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23427 Feb 14, 2013
Finally received a visit from our company's insurance man, our per family plan went up 16% with a $2500 deductible per family member and a $5000 per family deductible. Then our 80/20 kicks in to pay for catastrophic occurrences. We agreed to raise our deductible to $3000 per family member and saw an actual decrease in premiums. Even with that, we still pay $11,500 per family per year.

Times are tough, when one is spending one's own money one makes choices that make sense for them.

When spending other people's money, money suddenly becomes no object.
No Special Privileges

Piqua, OH

#23428 Feb 14, 2013
tit for tat wrote:
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Im good with it .....so long as they wont cave to the union bi###es' incessent attitute of greed.
Totally Agree! No more special privileges for our community bullies/union activists! We just have to review the by-laws and policies that our board has set forth for public participation; that our public comments are to be directed toward discussion/opinions on the agenda items and issues; and NOT toward attacking character of others. We just have to hold the board accountable to applying these community-wide expectations to the grandstandng of these bullies; who feel they are empowered with special privileges (mainly because they are the chosen few of the superintenent's new district parent council) to ram their bad babb for boro/bowman political agenda down the throats of those attending public board meetings: as happened over and over during the past year; and now continues during the January 10, 2013, and January 22, 2013 public school board business meetings and work sessions.
Lurker

Englewood, OH

#23429 Feb 14, 2013
Interesting that it was ok for Mr Rigano and Petroni to ram their agenda down the Board's throats before they were elected!
Just Not True

Piqua, OH

#23430 Feb 14, 2013
Lurker wrote:
Interesting that it was ok for Mr Rigano and Petroni to ram their agenda down the Board's throats before they were elected!
Not at all interesting. Just Not True.

But you already know the truth about yourself; just not wasting my time trying to educate you.
SOS to SEA

Piqua, OH

#23431 Feb 14, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
Finally received a visit from our company's insurance man, our per family plan went up 16% with a $2500 deductible per family member and a $5000 per family deductible. Then our 80/20 kicks in to pay for catastrophic occurrences. We agreed to raise our deductible to $3000 per family member and saw an actual decrease in premiums. Even with that, we still pay $11,500 per family per year.
Times are tough, when one is spending one's own money one makes choices that make sense for them.
When spending other people's money, money suddenly becomes no object.
Isn't it time for our SEA president to say thank you to Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners, who pay such generous salaries and benefits to our school employees, even during these tough economic times when costs for our own families' basic needs are skyrocketing; our property values are going down; and our salaries are not going up?
if you wish upon a star

Dayton, OH

#23432 Feb 14, 2013
It's a shame folks aren't as focused on the corruption in the township as they are about the school board. Both concerns cost to the citizens of the Springboro area.
Select B-Ball

Milford, OH

#23433 Feb 14, 2013
SOS to SEA wrote:
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Isn't it time for our SEA president to say thank you to Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners, who pay such generous salaries and benefits to our school employees, even during these tough economic times when costs for our own families' basic needs are skyrocketing; our property values are going down; and our salaries are not going up?
These generous salaries you constantly speak of is getting annoying. Our teachers don't come close to getting paid what others around the state do. Check out the opportunity Ohio website. Springboro isn't even contributing its fair share to public education in their town. Read the CUPP report on the ODE website. I feel sad that public school teachers are looked so down upon, calling them greedy and thugs is ridiculous. We need to stop thinking public schools are businesses, fact is they are not, they do not generate revenue and are paid for by taxes. People who want a strong community should pay their fair share and quit looking for excuses and someone to blame becuase their jobs aren't making them happy.
reality

Girard, OH

#23434 Feb 14, 2013
Do You Understand wrote:
Is the Illusion of Excellence Harmful?

Districts love to point to their fine report card rating as evidence of high performance. Ohioans may want to take a serious look at what is really happening in their school districts. Parents and taxpayers need to know that “excellent” may not be as advertised. Policymakers must acknowledge that there are serious flaws in an evaluation system that says that the majority of districts are doing excellent work, when all of the data comparing Ohio students nationally and internationally paint a very different picture.

A major disconnect exists when Ohio’s standards suggest that 51.7% of 8th graders are performing at an accelerated or advanced level in reading and the national data suggest that only a small fraction of these 8th graders are anywhere near an advanced level.
DYU, be careful how you illustrate this truth.
This truth can do much to degrade pride and self esteem of that minority of pretentious board-bashing parents, especially when their "Excellent" kids enroll in college only to discover their Springboro Schools education wasn't nearly as "Excellent" of an education as it was cracked up to be.
Problems

Loveland, OH

#23435 Feb 14, 2013
So many of the issues mentioned seem to be driven by the states current system. I'm thinking instead of bashing the board and our teachers we should call/write our local officials. I say find a way to pay the teachers a respectable wage and keep them accountable, control spending so that funds are properly used to help educate our students, and work together as a community to raise the bar in Springboro. Most of the people I know in Warren county talk about what a joke our community is due to "rich people" not getting along. We all know this isn't true, so lets work together to fix these problems and stop the bashing, propaganda, and bad will towards each other.
Boro Mom

Loveland, OH

#23436 Feb 14, 2013
I wish there were more positive things about our schools on here and in the news. It's a shame the way the kids have to see their parents, teachers, and community leaders behave.
Solutions

Piqua, OH

#23437 Feb 14, 2013
Problems wrote:
So many of the issues mentioned seem to be driven by the states current system. I'm thinking instead of bashing the board and our teachers we should call/write our local officials. I say find a way to pay the teachers a respectable wage and keep them accountable, control spending so that funds are properly used to help educate our students, and work together as a community to raise the bar in Springboro. Most of the people I know in Warren county talk about what a joke our community is due to "rich people" not getting along. We all know this isn't true, so lets work together to fix these problems and stop the bashing, propaganda, and bad will towards each other.
You will need to take your problems to the few people who are actually bashing the board, including David Bowman, who spewed out his ugliness and false accusations against the board, once again, in front of community members at the board meeting tonight.
Haven't heard people bashing teachers; but teachers were among those at the meeting tonight agreeing with Mr. Bowman's false accusations, talking back to board members. Repeatedly, board members (and our superintendent) have encouraged community members to call or e-mail whatever questions or concerns that need to be addressed; but Mr. Bowman continues grandstanding his agenda to discredit the good work that our board is doing; calling attention to his opinion that he sees no value in the good work for our school children that is being accomplished by our school board and school district leadership.
Springboro families and taxpaying homeowners are proud of our good schools and our school employees; and grateful for the quality education that our school board and school district leadership are providing for our students, while living within our community financial resources.
Schooling

Springboro, OH

#23438 Feb 15, 2013
Select B-Ball wrote:
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These generous salaries you constantly speak of is getting annoying. Our teachers don't come close to getting paid what others around the state do. Check out the opportunity Ohio website. Springboro isn't even contributing its fair share to public education in their town. Read the CUPP report on the ODE website. I feel sad that public school teachers are looked so down upon, calling them greedy and thugs is ridiculous. We need to stop thinking public schools are businesses, fact is they are not, they do not generate revenue and are paid for by taxes. People who want a strong community should pay their fair share and quit looking for excuses and someone to blame becuase their jobs aren't making them happy.
Sure, lets compare ourselves to other failing schools. I wanna be like them. If our are paid so poorly why do we have hundreds of applicants per position? NFSS has Dave Baker on a video on their web site saying "they line to come work here". Maybe we should consider paying less.
Signals

Youngstown, OH

#23439 Feb 15, 2013
Love the signals between Rigano and Wiedeman last night! Wonder what they do with their hands when they are alone together!
learnin

Springboro, OH

#23440 Feb 15, 2013
Lynn Keen Greenberg shared a link via David Bowman.
9 hours ago
Tonight started with a bang (read below) and it clearly affected the board members. Before we knew it, protocol, which was read to us just before he spoke, was thrown out the window and the board was asking David Bowman questions, unscripted, unallowed (so we've been told many times before.) As he answered and others answered, offering proof of the things he said, restrictions back on - This is not a Q&A session!
Your First Priority?
www.davidebowman.com
This week in the Springboro Sun, one of our school board members wrote that "The educational needs of our children must be a board of education's first priority." I agree. Unfortunately your action...
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Tina Paul Schrof UGH!~! I ended up with a migrane so did not go!! I will be watching on Time Warner.
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David Bowman Thanks Lynn. An interesting night to be sure. We have to keep fighting for our teachers.
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Debbie Leach Christian Yes it was! I have not taken the time, but intend to read through the board policies to see if Q&A after speakers is covered. They do it often, but we are lectured time and time again. So grateful that David said what he said. If there is a policy, I think we should all commit the number to memory so that if/when we speak, we can refer them to their own policy.

You are all sooo funny. David Bowman and all of you are pawns. Little soldiers. It is so obvious that the adults first philosophy was what he talked about last night. He said forget safety forget those silly textbooks, forget technology, my friends want the money. David Bowman "Those pesky kids don't need no stinkin book learnin but, mama needs some nue teeth."

Oh by the way your are not the only ones with a first amendment right to freedom of speech.
I smell OEA

Springboro, OH

#23441 Feb 15, 2013
David Bowman Thanks Lynn. An interesting night to be sure. We have to keep fighting for our teachers.
So is there a pay check involved in this fighting?
It is interesting that this father with a first grader thinks he speaks for many parents-or is it that this father speaks for OEA. When your business is Marketing and a social justice activist and you suddenly appeared on the scene during negotiations could you job be to fight the board, market your teacher cause and get the most out of your show?
David, I don't know if you have lived here very long but this community does not support your cause. You have a small group of groupies but they are not the ones that told your cause to shove it 5 times.
I smell OEA

Springboro, OH

#23442 Feb 15, 2013
Boro Mom wrote:
I wish there were more positive things about our schools on here and in the news. It's a shame the way the kids have to see their parents, teachers, and community leaders behave.
Weren't you the one whispering in the back of the board room all night? I saw you acting like a juvenile last night.

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