Hello Hello - You are welcome! I would say yes. But what is the use of arguing? Just like a bunch of crickets, they make a lot of noise until you walk by them. But you can't walk by them because they don't fess up to who they really are and do not attend the board meetings.:)<quoted text>
I love it when people get put in their place. Thanks Tina! Do you think other things like academic stats could also be wrong on this site??
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#22978 Jan 13, 2013
#22979 Jan 13, 2013
I read Petroni lists charter school facility finance and development services among his specialties on his real estate business profile page for his business (yes, he is owner of this business). Can you say CONFLICT!! I say get rid of him before he destroys Springboro schools with his own personal agenda and greed. Springboro, this is a CONFLICT!! Thank goodness even Kelly Kohls realized there was a problem and voted with the majority.
#22980 Jan 13, 2013
The conversion school discussion in Springboro is just getting started.
The Thursday night message of the pro-union blowhards can be summarized as such.....
"We've got excellent schools already, with excellent teachers, so because we're so excellent, we can address areas that we may be currently lacking (sufficient resources for both remedial and gifted education) in the existing infrastructure, with existing union teachers. So,________(board member), go ________yourself."
If our union teachers already had what it took to help prevent certain remedial and gifted students in Springboro from falling through the cracks then why did our union teachers individually and collectively choose to let this happen?
A conversion school in Springboro can offer educational opportunities far beyond to not only to better address the educational needs of certain students. Open minds understand this. Closed minds tend not to understand.
The conversion school discussion in Springboro is just getting started.
#22981 Jan 14, 2013
I just read the same thing. He needs to recuse himself.
In the meantime, if we think we need to look at how to do things better in Springboro Schools, challenge our staff to investigate. They are the experts and know our district. Aren't we paying our central staff for these kinds of things? If it is decided an outside firm is needed in order to investigate, hire one that covers all opportuntities to study, not just a Charter School.
The Charter School issue has #mistrust,#conflict of interest,#fiscal irresponsbility,#personal political agendas/aspirations, etc. written all over it. Take a step back BOE and regroup.
And....for the person who mentioned somewhere in this thread, that "it's only a few thousand dollars",no, it's $15,000 to be exact to a biased group.
#22982 Jan 14, 2013
So if being in volved in Charter School finance is a conflict then should we allow anyone with a teaching background or involvment to be on the board? Wouldn't that be a conflict?
#22983 Jan 14, 2013
Let's Be Clear.... the greatest threat in Springboro to our children's future education is tunnel vision of our schools/community leadership.
Tina is only one of the mean-spirited moms who flaunt before others special bully empowerment privileges granted by our school superintendent, Mr. Todd Petrey, and the president of the Springboro Education Association, Mr. Scott Maney.
It is not enough for Mr. Maney that the Springboro Education Association owns our children's school tax dollars, our children's minds and physical bodies in the classroom taught by the Union Master; oh no, never enough for the evil ones ... they want to own our children's collective souls being held prisoner, one day at a time, to destructive union collective propaganda.
The blood thirsty agenda of the Union Masters was clearly projected throughout our Springboro high school auditorium on January 10, as once again, the creepy cult-like worshippers/followers of the SEA education false gods came forth to demand that the very heart of the soul (our self-respect as good citizens) of our community, be handed down by the Springboro Board of Education representative, to the demands of parents and teachers cheering, jeering, and loudly clapping for a Springboro Union Master for Every child. No Exceptions. One Size Garment With the Union Label Fits All.
Some disruptive parents and teachers yelled out their greedy hostility at board members to thunderous applause and standing ovations Its Our Money.
We demand it all. No Exceptions! One Size Education with the Union Label Fits All God's Little Children!
One Boro proud mom introduced herself as being just a simple girl, yet she projected her simple mindedness of our schools academic problem solving as "just enter Google" and presto - she proclaimed herself wiser than the expertise of board members, who had done extensive and careful research, before recommending a feasibility study considering opportunities for greater individual achievement for each uniquely-created, one-of-a-kind child. But hey! No worries! Our Teachers are the Greatest! Our Kids Are the Mostest gifted! And, as board member Wendy Kuhl reminded us all at the January 10 meeting,
God Loves Panthers. Thats the gospel, truth Mrs. Kuhl, because Union Activist and Mr. Petreys Levy Lady, Lisa Babb, slapped a sticker on the Babb Boy vehicle telling us so!
(Excuse me, Mrs. Kuhl, did the fine print on Lisa Babbs sticker God Loves Panthers not read,but only those who have forced union-classroom idoctrination?")
#22984 Jan 14, 2013
A biased group would be the teachers union, the SEA. Now that is bias and self interest personified.
#22985 Jan 14, 2013
It would only be a conflict if he was entering into a contract with his company. I do not believe that is the case.
Since all contracts are public record this would be a relatively simple charge to substantiate.
Aside from the aspersions you cast upon this man's character, I would be inclined to believe you have nothing of substance to offer beside your shrillness.
I would much rather have a cardiologist interpreting the results of my stress test than a foot doctor. Call me crazy, but its just the way I feel.
#22986 Jan 14, 2013
Excuse me, Boro proud little one, but Where's the Gratitude?
Hard working homeowners are investing our time and money into
providing a quality K-12 education for all Springboro school children while living within the means of our community resources. And if you can do the math, figure out how much money it cost the taxpayers of the state of Ohio to "proudly boro graduate you."
You didn't graduate yourself to earn your "Excellent With Stinkingness" education.
Your Proud Parents didn't graduate you!
Your Wonderful Teachers and Great Central Office Administrators didn't graduate you (not even with their loving hugs in the hallways and classrooms and not even inspiring words,
let's say, like ... have a nice day!
Do you not know who graduated you? School District Taxpaying homeowners and good citizens such as Mr David Petroni, Mr. Jim Rigano, and Dr. Kelly Kohls, along with about 10,000 household owners in our city and township (including Your Proud Parents).
Together, We did it all.....year after year paycheck after paycheck and on and on! Without all good citizens having the concern, dedication, and determiniation to work together doing
the right thing for our school children and community, there would be no school buildings, No union teachers in the classroom, No sports program, no central office administrators,(well you get the picture, don't you?) Why not "Picture Yourself" with a little gratitude, now that we have learned what amazing things human beings working together can accomplish (each one using our God given gifts of expertise to serve others) IF ...and Only IF, we just keep our hearts open to gratitude and thankfulness toward one another; and just simply this fighting within the school commuity adminstration and staff over WHO is the greatest and WHO desrves the most credit and applause.
#22987 Jan 14, 2013
So as an employee you have a vested interest in the levy campaigns.
I have a vested interest in the education of all of our children. Currently there are over 2000 students in our district that are not getting what we the taxpayer has paid.
If you care to debunk the numbers the state puts forward on our yearly report cards and the results of the assessment tests, please do so.
Tell me where the numbers are incorrect and I shall gladly correct them.
Money will not solve the problem of poor educational results.
When only 63% of your students are passing, that grade will be a low D for the school district.
#22988 Jan 14, 2013
That is saying something like Troy Holtry is conflicted because he is a basketball coach/teacher and on the SYB board. Maybe it is like Image Market company also acts as Athletic Boosters board. I can give you 100 other examples. Please stop being stupid here. There is no arguments about conflict that hold a drop of water.
#22989 Jan 14, 2013
I agree with this post and the logic within this thought seems to me to be correct. I am not for or against charter schools in Springboro and I don't know how anyone could have the answer if we have, as a community, just started this conversation. It has clearly become a divisive issue already and to not acknowledge that is ridiculous. We have made a big financial commitment to a new superintendent and senior new positions in the central administration. Let's give them a chance to do this review and if needed, bring in an unbiased consultant. Mr. Petroni needs to step away from this discussion given his financial interest in other charter school issues. The consultant that has been targeted is clearly biased towards charter schools so this is a waste of $15K. Charter schools with non-union teachers may very well be the answer, but let's have a broad conversation and analysis before committing to only one way forward.
#22990 Jan 14, 2013
Thank you, Dr. Kohls.
#22991 Jan 14, 2013
Ever notice the lack of substance from those who seem content to ridicule and lay waste to others. Nothing ever seems to come of their rants, no solutions, no definition of problems, nor caring for the children who they supposedly are doing all of this nonsense.
Where is the real empathy for anything other than your paycheck?
2000 plus students are failing and you want to do what?
They have been failing for the past decade, why has nothing been done in any of those years gone by?
How will telling the children that you need to wait another couple years to see if we can do anything to help will aid their future?
800 more kids will graduate in those two years and if the numbers hold,
300 or so will be unable to read or do basic math.
While you fiddle and oppose even the investigation of alternatives, our children pay the price.
#22992 Jan 14, 2013
Thank you, Mr. Wiedeman.
#22993 Jan 14, 2013
I don't disagree with this post at all. My only contention as noted in an earlier post is that we should not fund a $15K project with a charter school specialist to tell us if we need a charter school. It is reasonable to assume he will come to that conclusion given his background and experience. I would recommend that we explore alternatives but that this work be more than just a look at charter schools (which may be the right answer).
Other potential answers could be more aggressive intervention programs for struggling students, increasing the investment in AP courses and teachers, or a charter school for gifted children. It seems like there is still a good deal of work to be done to understand where the real issues lie before we prescribe solutions. I don't think it would take several more years, but to be honest, to staff and ramp up the charter school is a multiyear project too. The changes needed are going to be longer term no matter the chosen path. For the immediate needs of today, it seems like it would be a more tactical plan of after school tutoring to the test or weekend focus on the testing materials. And yes, realize this drives cost but very few answers are going to have a lower cost basis than we have today. I think most people would agree with Just Watching that change is needed - but unless we know root cause, it is hard to know the right answer.
#22994 Jan 14, 2013
If I am not mistaken, from listening to the board, this $15,000 is being spent in incremental steps. If one of the steps does not result in favorable information, the remaining steps need not be pursued. We therefore begin with the initial investigation at a cost of $5000, if that turns out to be a mud hole, there is no further obligation to waste time nor money pursuing it further.
If it turns out more promising, we go to the next level and seek more information. As we move through this process, more information will necessarily generate more questions.
A thorough and complete investigation of the premise is what they seem to be seeking rather than a rubber stamp.
There are no simple answers or others, no doubt, would have found and implemented them by now.
Refusing to look at all possible alternatives does our children the gravest of disservices.
#22995 Jan 14, 2013
Or all of the above, a combination of efforts converging on a successful education for more of our children.
There positively is no one correct answer to this dilemma, but rather a host that integrate different philosophies and methods into a common goal.
In that scenario our children win, our parents win, and ultimately our community wins.
#22996 Jan 14, 2013
Would someone ask the consulting company how many times they have recommended to a community that they DO NOT NEED a charter school? If they can offer that and it can be verified then the argument that they are biased would be moot. Also if they say Boro needs a charter school do they have anything to gain from that? Would they be involved after that?
#22997 Jan 14, 2013
Are you referring to Dr Kohls? As an educator do you think she needs to step down because that's a conflict of interest. I would trust Dr Kohls more than Dave Petroni. Anytime. She's the only one on the BOE who has a background in teaching. Petroni, Rigano, Miller and Kulls do not. If the Dave Petroni fans think Dr Kohls has a conflict of interest I find that ironic. You slam a parent who chooses to put her kids in our PUBLIC SCHOOLS and then you slam her for having a teaching background. As an educator isn't she a great resource to see value in our schools? Dave Petroni's children DO NOT go to our public schools. He has ZERO background in education. Stop trying to promote Dave Petroni at the expense of educator and public school parent Dr Kelly Kohls! You should be ashamed of yourself!
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