America's top Catholic calls for rene...

America's top Catholic calls for renewed wave of anti-LGBT sentiment

There are 14 comments on the The Raw Story story from May 26, 2013, titled America's top Catholic calls for renewed wave of anti-LGBT sentiment. In it, The Raw Story reports that:

In a bulletin insert delivered to parishioners around the nation, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops warned that the Supreme Court could be preparing to affirm marriage equality, and urged an outpouring of anti-LGBT sentiment and sermons to push back against the potential change.

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Jim

Dundee, IL

#1 May 26, 2013
The Catholic Church hates the sin, but loves the sinner! Our corrupt culture hates the sinner, but loves the sin! When will people wake-up and stop celebrating sin and instead celebrate forgiveness! God is very clear on same sex activities. Jesus came to earth and loved us soooo much, He was willing to tell the truth about ourselves so clearly that they killed Him for it! The Church will do the same in spite of the ignorance that is quite clearly expressed in many of the comments!

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#2 May 26, 2013
Jim, God wasn't so clear on this "sin" in question. The original texts are nowhere near as damning as the current translations. What IS still damning is the hypocrisy of the current judgment of others.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#3 May 27, 2013
There is a reason why boy and girl scouts aren't allowed to camp in the same tents. It is the natural attraction of one to the other. This practice, for this reason, won't be allowed. The unnatural attraction between those of the same sex gets the ok. WTF? The Scouts will lose many members over this.
Iron will

Germantown, WI

#4 May 27, 2013
Natural attraction! All, any, attraction that occurs in nature is by that very fact, natural. That it be aberrational is a matter of deciding how it might be wrong. That would mean defining the limits of natural. It is not the attraction that is morally wrong. The attraction of opposites and likes, of itself, is amoral. What one does in the circumstances involved is wherein morality holds sway. A person attracted to another person psychologically, spiritually, physically, emotionally and or erotically puts the person in the need to act morally responsibly. Right Judgment, Justice, Placing the good all above the good of one's own wants and Temperance all come into play. What restrictions society wants has always placed many people on the margins. Are we afraid of what people are capable of or what they might do? What should society demand of people known as LGBT?

Since: Apr 13

San Francisco, CA

#5 May 27, 2013
Im urge al Christians to read the "clobber Passages" or watch the google.com videos and realize the poor way christians have unjustly treated a pert of Gid's creation they do not understand.

the US is a secular country not a Catholic one, so many things that violate Catholic teachings are allowed in the USA. Divorce, remarriage, Athiests, people who deny Christ as divine, and many other things that violate Catholic positions are allowed. But how does Gay marriage stop tow Catholics from excercising their faith to completion?

Jesus railed against heterosexual adultery but never trashed homosexuals, or threw them in jial, burn them at the stake, chopped off their heads, or incited thier bludgeoning as the religious have done.

Gay marriage actually self imposes a discipline, which makes people responsible for each other, whereas now the only real way for a homosexual person to live is a miserable celibate lonely lifestyle. Gay marriage stirs those people away from heterosexual marriage who do not belong there in the first place. How man str8 marriages are busted up because a person realizes they can no longer suppresses their true feelings which is not opposite sex attraction.

Gay marriage is not a religious marriage but a secular legal contract. NO religion is bound to embrace Gay marriage or any union outside their own religious restrictions.

It is already legal for people of the same sex to have sex, so there would be no change there. You could not afford the police salaries to control the public morality in regards to sezx as the RCC requires.

How many heterosexual marriages have failed because they should have been same sex marriages? Do you really think Ted Haggert is straight? Remember Ex N.J governor Jim McGreevy and a host of closet republicans who campaigned to hypocrisy against LGBT rights only to be outed by the media?
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#6 May 28, 2013
Iron will wrote:
Natural attraction! All, any, attraction that occurs in nature is by that very fact, natural.
Depends on how you define "natural." If you believe that anything that occurs in nature is natural then you are correct. That said, you must also believe that rape, murder, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, HIV/AIDS, pedophilia, etc. are all natural. Perhaps I should have said the natural order of things or used the word normal instead of natural. Either way, we know what is right or wrong, typically accepted as normal and what is not.

If Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts can't share tents on overnighters because of sexual attraction, why should gay boys be allowed to share tents with straight boys? With each other for that matter?

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#7 May 28, 2013
lides wrote:
Jim, God wasn't so clear on this "sin" in question. The original texts are nowhere near as damning as the current translations. What IS still damning is the hypocrisy of the current judgment of others.
The correct phrase would be "judgement of another's ACTIONS"

The Church judges actions not people.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#8 May 28, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
The correct phrase would be "judgement of another's ACTIONS"
The Church judges actions not people.
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
There is no distinction of whether one is judging people or actions.

You are a hypocrite offering rationalizations of your bigoted actions.

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#9 May 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Judge not, that ye be not judged.
There is no distinction of whether one is judging people or actions.
You are a hypocrite offering rationalizations of your bigoted actions.
My goodness, are you judging me?

Of course Christ calls us to judge the actions of other.

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt 18:15-18)

"My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins" (James 5:19)

"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom" (Col 3:16)

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#10 May 28, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
My goodness, are you judging me?
Of course Christ calls us to judge the actions of other.
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven" (Matt 18:15-18)
"My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins" (James 5:19)
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teach and admonish one another in all wisdom" (Col 3:16)
Uhm, several thoughts.
First, I am judging you. I am not a Christian, and I am not bound by the rules laid out in your fairytale. I know your rules, I am simply not bound by them.

Second, The example you cite from Matthew has to do with spreading truth of the word, not meting out judgment. You are misinterpreting the verse.

Third, it is enlightening that you have only cited one Gospel passage. Apparently you have difficulty supporting your position from the word of God, embodied in the flesh. Wouldn't you think, if God thought the world was so degraded that he came to earth himself, that he would address such an obvious and burning issue directly? Yet he never does. I wonder why that is? Perhaps, it's because God really promoted peace, love, and forgiveness. Not judgment.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#11 May 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Uhm, several thoughts.
BWAHAHAHAHA! That's impossible.

“Boot to the Head”

Since: Jul 08

Mogadore, OH

#12 May 28, 2013
lides wrote:
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Uhm, several thoughts.
First, I am judging you. I am not a Christian, and I am not bound by the rules laid out in your fairytale. I know your rules, I am simply not bound by them.
You say you know the "rules" but I think you fail to understand them other than to cherry pick one often misinterpreted verse.
lides wrote:
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Second, The example you cite from Matthew has to do with spreading truth of the word, not meting out judgment. You are misinterpreting the verse.
You seem to be applying your interpretation as final on all these "fairy-tale rules" that you don't believe in.

Seems that there are different kinds of judgement. The first type of judgement would be of the nature of a persons actions. As in, no you should not teach your children that it is just fine to smoke meth before school. That is a morally wrong action and harmful to the person. A second type of judgement would regard the nature of the person. As in a person who teaches their children to smoke meth before school is evil at heart and cannot ever change.
lides wrote:
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Third, it is enlightening that you have only cited one Gospel passage. Apparently you have difficulty supporting your position from the word of God, embodied in the flesh. Wouldn't you think, if God thought the world was so degraded that he came to earth himself, that he would address such an obvious and burning issue directly? Yet he never does.
The Gospels don't claim to hold everything Jesus said and did.
That is why we also rely on the Apostolic Tradition found in the Catholic Church.
lides wrote:
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I wonder why that is? Perhaps, it's because God really promoted peace, love, and forgiveness. Not judgment.


Actually, Jesus speaks about Hell much more than Heaven

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#14 May 28, 2013
Cathoholic wrote:
You say you know the "rules" but I think you fail to understand them other than to cherry pick one often misinterpreted verse.
One could make that argument. Of course, you don’t take the time to actually do so here, which is telling.
[QUOTE who=”Cathoholic”]You seem to be applying your interpretation as final on all these "fairy-tale rules" that you don't believe in.[/QUOTE]
That’s because for me it is. It is a settled issue for me, and unless you can provide proof that your faith is right over all others, it is still a settled issue for me.
[QUOTE who=”Cathoholic”] Seems that there are different kinds of judgement. The first type of judgement would be of the nature of a persons actions. As in, no you should not teach your children that it is just fine to smoke meth before school. That is a morally wrong action and harmful to the person. A second type of judgement would regard the nature of the person. As in a person who teaches their children to smoke meth before school is evil at heart and cannot ever change.[/QUOTE]
Seems like you are going to great lengths to rationalize your judgment of others instead of following your fairytale’s instruction not to judge others.
[QUOTE who=”Cathoholic”]The Gospels don't claim to hold everything Jesus said and did.
That is why we also rely on the Apostolic Tradition found in the Catholic Church.[/QUOTE]
However, that leaves you with no evidence whatsoever that God in flesh among us ever addressed homosexuality. It seems if God thought that the earth was so far afield of what he wanted that he needed to return, that he would address such a major issue. That he did not is telling.
[QUOTE who=”Cathoholic”]Actually, Jesus speaks about Hell much more than Heaven
[/QUOTE]
And that has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic at hand. Nor is it accurate.

Looks like you could use some more fairytale study.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#15 May 29, 2013
lides wrote:
It seems if God thought that the earth was so far afield of what he wanted that he needed to return, that he would address such a major issue. That he did not is telling.
I'm not as in to religion, or homosexuality, as you seem to be but my understanding is that we are here on this earth and allowed to make our own decisions. Decisions that may be called into question later. This "major issue" was created by man's decisions.

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