A right to marriage

Jul 6, 2013 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.jpost.com

Why rights for one minority, but not for the other?; One of Israel's major failures is denying gay couples the ability to marry.

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The trouble with saying a "right to marriage", is that people cannot even agree on what a "right" is.
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The trouble with saying a "right to marriage", is that people cannot even agree on what a "right" is.
Right means a marriage between a man and a woman.
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2:16 am, Sunday, July 7, 2013:
RE: A right to marriage
..... I think the word "marriage" should be confined to a contract between a man and a woman, and that any gay/lesbian couples in any country should be entitled to any legal contract between them as long as it's not called "marriage".
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Liberal western society is on the way out, asia with more intelligent people will spread their customs and social norms through out the world, give it 30 more years, the whole of western society is going to be changed forever. How to define marrage, it's things like this that is our ruin. Degenerate equals weak race and that's what the west has become. Good riddance.

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Mikey wrote:
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Right means a marriage between a man and a woman.
Or two men, or two women. It's pretty simple. The nice thing is that YOU get to choose what is best for YOU. And you don't get to choose what is best for other people.

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Valirie wrote:
Liberal western society is on the way out, asia with more intelligent people will spread their customs and social norms through out the world, give it 30 more years, the whole of western society is going to be changed forever. How to define marrage, it's things like this that is our ruin. Degenerate equals weak race and that's what the west has become. Good riddance.
Marriage and stronger families cause "degeneration"? How does that work?

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QUITTNER wrote:
2:16 am, Sunday, July 7, 2013:
RE: A right to marriage
..... I think the word "marriage" should be confined to a contract between a man and a woman, and that any gay/lesbian couples in any country should be entitled to any legal contract between them as long as it's not called "marriage".
Calling a marriage something else to make a few straight people feel less insecure seems silly, don't you think?

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QUITTNER wrote:
2:16 am, Sunday, July 7, 2013:
RE: A right to marriage
..... I think the word "marriage" should be confined to a contract between a man and a woman, and that any gay/lesbian couples in any country should be entitled to any legal contract between them as long as it's not called "marriage".
Problem is the laws of marriage should conform to the equal protection clause and the FF&C clause of the U.S. Constitution.

So when SCOTUS finally DOES rule that when the Constitution says "all citizens" it means "ALL CITIZENS" and not "some citizens" or "only certain citizens" you're probably not going to like that, are you? But feel free to emigrate to a place where you can pick which laws you have to follow.

Or maybe you could appeal to a higher court like the prop 8 folks in CA want to do now!

LMAO!

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Valirie wrote:
Liberal western society is on the way out, asia with more intelligent people will spread their customs and social norms through out the world, give it 30 more years, the whole of western society is going to be changed forever. How to define marrage, it's things like this that is our ruin. Degenerate equals weak race and that's what the west has become. Good riddance.
I'm glad you have your delusions to make you feel comfortable.

If you were to look at what is happening, "Liberal Western Thought" is overtaking Asia and many parts of the world.

Now if you care to explain why in this country the courts haven't made it clear that 'all citizens' means "ALL" and not "just the ones I agree with", then you might have something relevant to discuss.

OR you could explain how your definition of marriage isn't based on religious discrimination and bigotry just as the racists did with inter-racial marriage.

But that might force you to think outside your catbox.

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Quest wrote:
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Marriage and stronger families cause "degeneration"? How does that work?
I keep asking them the same question but they never can answer.
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Quest wrote:
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Marriage and stronger families cause "degeneration"? How does that work?
see how your doing in 30 years my dear. I will be in my grave and you will have to live with your nonsense. Change, I've seen alot of it in my life, so won't you. But you have my best regards.

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When a 3 year old child goes crying to their parents and insists he be allowed to call "Uncle Paul" because his "Uncle" is dying of cancer just like grandma did, I'd say that's family. Our government should obey its own laws.

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Article 4 (The States)

"Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
Section 2.

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

Amendment I

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Amendment XIV
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"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

DOMA laws violate the U.S. Constitution. SCOTUS agreed on the Federal level. Now they need to address the issue on a State level as well, and hopefully they will do it soon.

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When a 3 year old child goes crying to their parents and insists he be allowed to call "Uncle Paul" because his "Uncle" is dying of cancer just like grandma did, I'd say that's family. Our government should obey its own laws.
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Article 4 (The States)
"Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
Section 2.
The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."
Amendment I
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."
Amendment IX
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
Amendment XIV
Section 1.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
DOMA laws violate the U.S. Constitution. SCOTUS agreed on the Federal level. Now they need to address the issue on a State level as well, and hopefully they will do it soon.
I agree.

And I've been saying the same thing here for a very long time, but nearly everyone here disagrees with me.

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The trouble with saying a "right to marriage", is that people cannot even agree on what a "right" is.
I know what you mean. Have you seen that guy on here who insists voting isn't a right in the Constitution, despite several amendments that clearly say it is?

What a LOON!

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<quoted text>I know what you mean. Have you seen that guy on here who insists voting isn't a right in the Constitution, despite several amendments that clearly say it is?
What a LOON!
Bush v. Gore (2000)
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Valirie wrote:
Liberal western society is on the way out, asia with more intelligent people will spread their customs and social norms through out the world, give it 30 more years, the whole of western society is going to be changed forever. How to define marrage, it's things like this that is our ruin. Degenerate equals weak race and that's what the west has become. Good riddance.
I've noticed something weird about the most viciously antigay: They are so entrenched in their beliefs -- and they so refuse to change them a jot -- that they'd rather *life on earth end* than to see any positive change.

Things *must* either be their way, or they want to see all life destroyed.

Thought I'd call this to everyone's attention.
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perhaps the real "right" is the marriage between man and the inanimated object.
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perhaps the real "right" is the marriage between man and the inanimated object.
ALL of these are false constructs. Marriage exists; we are witness to it worldwide. A man and a woman are joined.

WHOOPS, forgot about SEXUAL ORIENTATION, though. That means that *gay people can't do that*-- so adding them to the *current and existing* marriage rights COMPLETES the paradigm that already exists -- finishes and perfects the paradigm that already exists, as we've all witnessed.

Going further or adding other paradigms, like you do here, has nothing to do with marriage *as it exists*.

Every last living, breathing individual on the compass of this globe who claims gay marriage "redefines" marriage is lying through their teeth, and very, very knowingly and deliberately lying about the construct I just diagrammed clearly.
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maybe after this, the US gov would allow its citizens to marry the genetically modified salamander...

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Valirie wrote:
<quoted text> see how your doing in 30 years my dear. I will be in my grave and you will have to live with your nonsense. Change, I've seen alot of it in my life, so won't you. But you have my best regards.
I hope to still be on this planet in 30 years, watching my children and grandchildren - that nonsense you are referring to - grow up and live their lives to the fullest. Although I am no spring chicken myself.

And if that's not God's plan for me, and I die before I can do that, then so be it.

But to call another person's life and family "nonsense", is simply nonsense.

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