Episcopal Schism Escalates

Dec 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: FITSNews

The national Episcopal Church has announced the renunciation of a "rogue Bishop" in South Carolina - the latest skirmish in its war with the Palmetto State's conservative Lower Episcopal Diocese.

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Think Again

Farmville, NC

#49 Dec 17, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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What the hell are you talking about?
He doesn't know.

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#50 Dec 18, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Well, then,... you are engaging in 700 Club Pat Robertson type blame games.
Robinson blamed moral turpitude in New Orleans for the consequences of destruction wrought by Katrina.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#51 Dec 18, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Robinson blamed moral turpitude in New Orleans for the consequences of destruction wrought by Katrina.
And you're equating what Pat ROBERTSON, not Gene Robinson, said with Genesis 6:5-7?

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#52 Dec 18, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Robinson blamed moral turpitude in New Orleans for the consequences of destruction wrought by Katrina.
Does anyone posting here, including posters Joe DeCaro and Think Again, believe that Hurricane Katrina, as an Act of God, was created and moved for the purpose of punishing the residents of New Orleans for their unusually sinful habits?

In case you did not know this, that is exactly what Pat Robertson suggested on his TV show, 700 Club.

Furthermore, he similarly suggested that the Haitian, Port Au Prince earthquake, that resulted in terrible destruction, misery and death, is the retribution of God brought on by Haitian depravity and the centuries-old practice of mixing Voudoo with Roman Catholicism.

A year ago in the Spring, when a tornado hit communities in southern Illinois, Robertson, on his TV show, remarked that these communities should give significant self-reflection to their cultural and societal habits as God must have had good reason to smite them (my description of his words).

Do you agree with his assessments? Answer and we can have a discussion about whether or not these same, God-recognized, cause and effect principles were in action resulting in Noah's "Great Flood."

Then we can see if these same principles can be shown to be at work in the schism that is occurring in TEC, which is the topic of this thread.

Rev. Ken

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#53 Dec 18, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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And you're equating what Pat ROBERTSON, not Gene Robinson, said with Genesis 6:5-7?
Yes. Pardon me; Robertson.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#55 Dec 20, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>He was certainly direct enough on this issue:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
I pray for the day you read the rest of the book.

I pray you forgive yourself for the pain you caused your wife and children.

I pray for you often David.

Some of us are thinking of coming to Perkin and giving you an exorcism.......

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#56 Dec 20, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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The reason for the Flood was that sea levels were rising as glaciers and polar ice caps retreated and melted. An probable ice dam and moraine that was left across what is now known as the straights of Bosphorus was breached by the rising Mediterranean, massively flooding the Caspian. The Caspian, until the breach, had been a land-locked freshwater sea, surrounded by seashore communities.
The story is now told as a mythical event with theologically moral lessons.
Rev. Ken
Amen brother.....

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#57 Dec 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>He was certainly direct enough on this issue:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
Leviticus - attributed to "the Priest's Manual." It actually begins in the end of the Book of exodus and continues through the first ten chapters of Numbers.- This was not written by Jesus.

Romans - attributed to St. Paul.- This was not written by Jesus.

I Corinthians - written by St. Paul concerning doctrinal and ethical problems in the Corinthian church, this was not written by Jesus.

I Timothy - as one of the "Pastorals" attributed to pseudonymous authorship by a disciple to St. Paul and not to Paul himself, this was not written by Jesus.

Caleb, Manito-manurehead, "David" or whatever your name is, there is no excuse for the misdirection that you pose here. Right or wrong, you do yourself and your cause no favors by presenting distortions.

If you want to quote Jesus, have at it. There are plenty of His sayings to quote from in the New Testament. But, Old or New, the testaments of the bible do have their authorships and not ONE - NOT ONE - of these books, letters or writings from Genesis to the Songs of Solomon to Revelations was written by Jesus.

Rev. Ken

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#58 Dec 29, 2012
RevKen wrote:
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Leviticus - attributed to "the Priest's Manual." It actually begins in the end of the Book of exodus and continues through the first ten chapters of Numbers.- This was not written by Jesus ...
With the exception of something he wrote in the sand when questioned about the woman caught in adultery, nothing was literally written by Jesus, but if He is the Logos, then eveything written in the Bible was inspired by Him.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

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The Mountain Empire

#59 Dec 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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With the exception of something he wrote in the sand when questioned about the woman caught in adultery, nothing was literally written by Jesus, but if He is the Logos, then eveything written in the Bible was inspired by Him.
He is not the logos, he is not a greek philosophical concept, he is the MESSIAH!

You have cracked open that bible of yours, haven't you?

And let me guess, you romans know what he wrote in the sand.

LOL.....

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#60 Dec 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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With the exception of something he wrote in the sand when questioned about the woman caught in adultery, nothing was literally written by Jesus, but if He is the Logos, then eveything written in the Bible was inspired by Him.
Do you now admit or claim to being a Calvinist?

Is it your assertion that everything you think and do and understand is and was originally predestined to be Divine in origin and comprehension?

So that now, you understand what the Logos originally meant?

Or, alternatively, is it your assertion that you actually do have Free Will and have been granted as a human being the right and opportunity - even the obligatory choice - to make use of it?

A God-given "Talent," so to speak, of a fully functional Human Being.

If you DO have Free Will, then the writers of Holy Scripture had Free Will, too. They may have been inspired, even guided by the Holy Spirit, which Spirit Jesus regarded as being apart from and separate from Himself (despite the later defined theology of the Trinity). If so, these writers presented their ideas on their own, with the help of a Divine aspect provided by the presence of the Holy Spirit. Nevertheless, these writings are attributed to them.

These things have been considered and written about in depth, Joe.

Inspiration by and of the Holy Spirit is certainly real. But, it is not any confirmation that either you or I are somehow actually Jesus Christ in disguise, at the very core of our being. Read the scripture, Joe. Nowhere does Jesus ever regard you or me to simply be extensions of Himself. Disciples, yes! Sometimes bound to fail or to deny or make mistakes, but still able to get up and try again until a success or an achievement is made.

You are a Child of God, individual and wholly present in the Mind of God. God is your Mother-Father Parent, having created you, just as Adam and Eve were created as fully capable individuals who responded to and acknowledged their existence in the presence of God.

Jesus takes nothing away from you or me, Joe.

Scripture, Inspired by the Holy Spirit, is not Perfection. It is guidance toward the Reality of Perfection.

Rev. Ken
True Christian witness

Owasso, OK

#61 Dec 29, 2012
God is love, and those who love their fellowman are imitating Jesus, but Jehovah God and Jesus do not love those who are deliberately disobedient to their instruction for their approval.

(1 Corinthians 6:9, 10).†.†.What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit Godís kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10†nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit Godís kingdom.

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#62 Dec 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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With the exception of something he wrote in the sand when questioned about the woman caught in adultery, nothing was literally written by Jesus, but if He is the Logos, then everything written in the Bible was inspired by Him.
He was educated, wasn't He?

Scripture says that He stood before the congregation and read from scripture. If He could read, He could and did write, also.

It is right to be presumptuous. But, it is also right to allow leeway when making presumptions and to be willing to stand corrected when such presumptions are proven to be false.

Time, though continuously transpiring, exists only now. But, the physicist says that the past continues to exist in the past and likewise, the future does already exist - in the future. But, when it becomes what it is to be, then it will only be NOW. You and I, living now, each have both a right and obligation to perform in the Now. Therefore, we exercise a measure of Will, regardless of the source of our impetus. And before you say that such impetus only comes from within (at the "Logos"), first, you must consider that you actually do exist, at least in part, coincident with the outer, physical world. The implication is that you ARE responsible, at least in part, for your own actions.

Philosophical and physical Gobbledygook? Maybe. But, your existence within God still allows for an infinite degree of independence. That is supposedly how He/She/It creates, sustains and reproduces (is reborn)- this being a Very Old theological concept. It is the basis for our insistent belief in the Reincarnation of Christ.

It is also the basis for mercy and forgiveness. We do not know what was written in the sand. But, whatever it was, it was marked in reality, in the NOW of that moment, and it was and remains something that Jesus considered important enough to record in the totality of consciousness, even if it was a fleeting inscription. In other words, it was something He CHOSE to do.

Happy New Year, brother,

Rev. Ken
A disciple and duly ordained priest of Our Lord, Christ Jesus.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#63 Dec 29, 2012
RevKen wrote:
We do not know what was written in the sand ...
... some say it was the sins of those about to stone the adulteress.

Happy New Year.

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#64 Dec 29, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... some say it was the sins of those about to stone the adulteress.
Happy New Year.
That would be a conviction of sorts. No. He achieved that by asking those who were without sin to cast the stone.

More likely it was a gesture marking a moment of forgiveness.

Remember, he nearly always resorted to Love.

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