NM county told to issue same-sex marriage licenses

Aug 26, 2013 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.newstimes.com

An Albuquerque judge on Monday ordered the clerk of New Mexico's most populous county to join two other counties in the state in issuing marriage licenses for gay and lesbian couples.

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So just how does preventing same-sex couples from marrying prevent them from "showing a lot of affection" in public?

With arguments like that, is it any wonder the anti-gay keep losing?!

Congrats to all the happy couples in New Mexico- gay, straight, and otherwise.

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I can't quite believe it. New Mexico our 14th State ... as easily as catching ripe fruit falling from the branch.

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I can't quite believe it. New Mexico our 14th State ... as easily as catching ripe fruit falling from the branch.
All things considered, it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise that NM turned out to be #14.

The REAL question is which state becomes #15? The leading contenders are Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey; but all have their problems.

I put my money on Hawaii. They have the easiest & most straightforward path to equality via the state legislature.
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I put my money on Hawaii. They have the easiest & most straightforward path to equality via the state legislature.
a long tradition of understanding equality among races in marriage, so this should be a natural.

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They have been recognizing same sex marriages from other states and countries for a while now, much like Rhode Island did before deciding to grant licenses in State. Seems silly not to afford residents the same recognition and rights, or to make them cross a state or national line so their marriage would be valid at home.

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Wow, another County in New Mexico and it seems that the Republican lawmakers are upset because they can't handle this.......it seems that already over 300 marriage licenses have been issued and NONE of them have been "GAY" or "SAME-SEX" Marriage Licenses!!!

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And notice that no judge or court has stepped in to stop these clerks from issuing marriage licenses.

In fact, it's the judges ordering the clerks to issue marriage licenses.

And the NM Attorney General is now on record saying these marriages are legal as well.

The NM Supreme Court already ruled this issue needs to be decided by the lower courts first. Apparently the lower courts took that instruction to heart.

The longer this goes on the less likely it is the anti-gay GOPasuars will be successful in getting an injunction.

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WeTheSheeple wrote:
...The longer this goes on the less likely it is the anti-gay GOPasuars will be successful in getting an injunction.
Even now, what would an injunction be based on? There's no law banning marriage equality so, provided the couple qualifies in every other way (not otherwise married, of age, not already closely related, etc.), on what would someone base an argument for an injunction?

It kills me that people are such sheep all the time. "Ooo!! Ooo!!! Gay people are banned from marrying over there, so of *course* they MUST also be banned over here!!! What?? They're not?? There's no law banning them?? Well, we'll STILL need to act as if there IS a ban and ask permission of people that hate, loathe, and despise gay people first, right?? RIGHT??!?!?!?? We CAN'T just follow the law and treat people with diginity and respect!! WTF??? We have to VOTE on this first, don't we????"

WTF is wrong with people?

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Even now, what would an injunction be based on? There's no law banning marriage equality so, provided the couple qualifies in every other way (not otherwise married, of age, not already closely related, etc.), on what would someone base an argument for an injunction?
It kills me that people are such sheep all the time. "Ooo!! Ooo!!! Gay people are banned from marrying over there, so of *course* they MUST also be banned over here!!! What?? They're not?? There's no law banning them?? Well, we'll STILL need to act as if there IS a ban and ask permission of people that hate, loathe, and despise gay people first, right?? RIGHT??!?!?!?? We CAN'T just follow the law and treat people with diginity and respect!! WTF??? We have to VOTE on this first, don't we????"
WTF is wrong with people?
Agreed, which is why I don't see any injunction coming.

The NM Supreme Court specifically directed the lower courts to address this issue first.

They just did in a big way.

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All things considered, it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise that NM turned out to be #14.
The REAL question is which state becomes #15? The leading contenders are Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey; but all have their problems.
I put my money on Hawaii. They have the easiest & most straightforward path to equality via the state legislature.
True, but that entrenched protestant bigot streak runs deep, and they appear to have developed quite a trailer trash element over the past couple of decades.

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True, but that entrenched protestant bigot streak runs deep, and they appear to have developed quite a trailer trash element over the past couple of decades.
Is that is reference to Hawaii?

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New Mexico Statutes 40-1-1. Marriage is civil contract requiring consent of parties

Marriage is contemplated by the law as a civil contract, for which the consent of the contracting parties, capable in law of contracting, is essential.
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Hello?

Other than consanguinity and age requirements (complete with a virgin Mary exception), that's the basics of what the law actually says here. These folk have just been pretending that same sex marriages were actually prohibited by this for like the last 35 years now. I'm just amazed that nobody noticed what they had really said when they approved it.

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Is that is reference to Hawaii?
That IS the State you mentioned.

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New Mexico Statutes 40-1-1. Marriage is civil contract requiring consent of parties
Marriage is contemplated by the law as a civil contract, for which the consent of the contracting parties, capable in law of contracting, is essential.
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Other than consanguinity and age requirements (complete with a virgin Mary exception), that's the basics of what the law actually says here. These folk have just been pretending that same sex marriages were actually prohibited by this for like the last 35 years now. I'm just amazed that nobody noticed what they had really said when they approved it.
This is what I can't figure out. WHY have they all been just assuming that marriage equality is banned there?? It makes no sense.

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That IS the State you mentioned.
I guess I never really thought of Hawaii as a protestant state, but I only visited there a couple of times.

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Rick in Kansas wrote:
New Mexico Statutes 40-1-1. Marriage is civil contract requiring consent of parties
Marriage is contemplated by the law as a civil contract, for which the consent of the contracting parties, capable in law of contracting, is essential.
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Other than consanguinity and age requirements (complete with a virgin Mary exception), that's the basics of what the law actually says here. These folk have just been pretending that same sex marriages were actually prohibited by this for like the last 35 years now. I'm just amazed that nobody noticed what they had really said when they approved it.
But we all know had the issue been pushed 10 years ago, they legislature would have quickly passed a law banning same-sex couples from marrying.

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But we all know had the issue been pushed 10 years ago, they legislature would have quickly passed a law banning same-sex couples from marrying.
As true as your statement is......they NEVER did and I like Rick have wonder why it has take Same-Sex Couples so long to push this issue......I mean we can't forget the 64 Marriage Licenses that were issued to Same-Sex couples back in Sandoval County that remained legal, even though the AG threatened to take action against the County Clerk back in like 2004!!!

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As true as your statement is......they NEVER did and I like Rick have wonder why it has take Same-Sex Couples so long to push this issue......I mean we can't forget the 64 Marriage Licenses that were issued to Same-Sex couples back in Sandoval County that remained legal, even though the AG threatened to take action against the County Clerk back in like 2004!!!
I would guess they were waiting for the right moment, and the DOMA decision provided them with the opportunity they were looking for.

We can 2nd guess what happened & why, but at the end of the day they are getting marriage equality in NM, so I'm satisfied.

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"In the courtís final analysis, the governmentís only basis for supporting DOMA comes down to an apparent belief that the moral views of the majority may properly be enacted as the law of the land in regard to state-sanctioned same-sex marriage in disregard of the personal status and living conditions of a significant segment of our pluralistic society. Such a view is not consistent with the evidence or the law as embodied in the Fifth Amendment with respect to the thoughts expressed in this decision. The court has no doubt about its conclusion: DOMA deprives them of the equal protection of the law to which they are entitled."

The dominoes are falling, but the last to fall will probably need to be knocked down by the courts, unless the legislature finds the courage to live up to the equal protection promises of the founding documents and the requirements of the constitution.

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This is what I can't figure out. WHY have they all been just assuming that marriage equality is banned there?? It makes no sense.
I hadn't looked into the actual wording of the law and now that I have, it just amazes me anyone would read that and say, y'up, that bans same sex marriage.

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