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Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage

There are 1876 comments on the Fox News story from May 14, 2013, titled Minnesota becomes 12th state to OK gay marriage. In it, Fox News reports that:

As a crowd of thousands roared from the lawn of the state Capitol, Minnesota Gov.

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The Coal Handlers Son

Commiskey, IN

#1837 Jun 30, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Buttercup, you don't have to read between the lines of Freud's writings, he classified homosexuality as an inversion, not a perversion and he wasn't entirely sure that it should even be seen as pathological. Sorry, but once again you are sadly mistaken.

As to the rest of your babbled reply, the SOLE purpose of sex is procreation and there really isn't a need to do that, because Jesus is coming back, soon. Anyone who cannot procreate or deliberately trying not to, would be engaging in sex for worldly pleasure, that by your alleged standard, would be a perversion. Even in marriage. You set the ground rules for it, not me.

Paul's teaching on the subject is that Christian men should keep it in their toga, period, Jesus will be back at any moment. Sometimes I wish biblical literalists took that part of his teachings literally. There'd be a lot fewer of you and you could make cool furniture to give you something better to do while you're waiting, just like the Shakers.
Wrong again ! You need to get a boyfriend to keep you busy and off Topix because you can't even read a quote correctly. Wow! You'll even disagree with Sigmund Freud and you're wrong sweetie it's PERVERSION! Hey, I said I was glad you could get married, but your lifestyle is still a perversion! Sorry!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#1838 Jun 30, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again ! You need to get a boyfriend to keep you busy and off Topix because you can't even read a quote correctly. Wow! You'll even disagree with Sigmund Freud and you're wrong sweetie it's PERVERSION! Hey, I said I was glad you could get married, but your lifestyle is still a perversion! Sorry!
What you don't seem to be getting sugar britches, is that I am the one AGREEING with Freud. He called homosexuality an INVERSION not a perversion and so what he had to say about perversion, irrelevant to homosexuality. Do you get it NOW?

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#1839 Jun 30, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey dumb@!$! I think if you had just a little intelligence you could possibly read between the lines of Freuds findings that the gay lifestyle definitely abandons reproduction. Yes, a man and a woman may choose to not have a child through birth control or because they cannot reproduce due to physical reasons, but I never said anything about marriage! That's the point! Their union CAN produce life, and according to Freud, any other union is PERVERSION !
There you go sweetie!;)
Freud only had information available to him based on single gay people. There were no gay married people and there were no advanced medical options for gays to have children.

Without married gay subjects as a control group, or families comprised of gay parents, there's no way he could possibly complete his findings.

Your appeal to authority fails. He didn't have enough information to apply the scientific method.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#1840 Jun 30, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>What you don't seem to be getting sugar britches, is that I am the one AGREEING with Freud. He called homosexuality an INVERSION not a perversion and so what he had to say about perversion, irrelevant to homosexuality. Do you get it NOW?
I wonder what Freud's opinion would be of someone who reads the word "inversion" and sees "perversion". Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1841 Jun 30, 2013
The Coal Handlers Son wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again ! You need to get a boyfriend to keep you busy and off Topix because you can't even read a quote correctly. Wow! You'll even disagree with Sigmund Freud and you're wrong sweetie it's PERVERSION! Hey, I said I was glad you could get married, but your lifestyle is still a perversion! Sorry!
So you believe everything Freud thought?
Brooke

Burlington, NC

#1842 Jun 30, 2013
The anatomy of humans concerning the reproduction system is a dead giveaway of how unnatural homosexual behavior is. We were clearly made to only be with someone of the opposite sex. Not to mention the growing numbers in cases of HIV with gay men. They may be winning the marriage debate in some states, but the numbers show how unhealthy their behavior truly is.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#1846 Jul 1, 2013
Religionthebiglie wrote:
I wonder what Freud's opinion would be of someone who reads the word "inversion" and sees "perversion". Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Freud's opinion would be, "See my secretary, book a standing appointment for Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays, we clearly have a lot of work to do."
The Coal Handlers Son

Indianapolis, IN

#1847 Jul 1, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, gay folks aren't usually sterile, so you seem to be missing the point.

And, so all infertile straight people are capable of "producing life"? How does that work?

Are you proposing all couples who cannot or will not produce children must be labeled perversion", and banned from legally marrying?

I think you will have fights on your hands with that one.
I covered that if you would or could read my whole post

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#1848 Jul 1, 2013
Brooke wrote:
The anatomy of humans concerning the reproduction system is a dead giveaway of how unnatural homosexual behavior is. We were clearly made to only be with someone of the opposite sex. Not to mention the growing numbers in cases of HIV with gay men. They may be winning the marriage debate in some states, but the numbers show how unhealthy their behavior truly is.
Sweetie, the rest of us are bright enough to realize that if reproduction is the only reason for wanting to engage in a sexual act, then homosexual behavior is incredibly unlikely to work to that end. But what you need to realize is that most other folk haven't limit their sex lives to breeding attempts. While you may fantasize homosexual acts to be "unnatural", nature has always disagreed with you. More than a thousand different species have found such acts to be perfectly normal and natural, whether you are icked out by them or not. Your problems with "homosexuality", "homosexuals" and/or "homosexual acts", yours, not nature's, not God's and certainly not ours. Thanks for sharing, but it really wasn't necessary.
Brooke

Burlington, NC

#1849 Jul 1, 2013
Sparkle_is_stripper wrote:
<quoted text>hey stupid.... no one cares about procreation... we have no shortage of babies in the world.... what's unnatural is your hate toward others who love each other.... get over your redneck north Carolina ignorance and if you don't like gay marriage... well gee biatch... don't flucking get one
If homosexual behavior continues we sure will have a shortage in babbies. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I ever said I hate others who love each other. In no way do I hate gays, all I'm saying is the statistics show how unhealthy it is. And not getting one doesn't eliminate the problem. This is a growing issue in society but if the gay community does not realize how unhealthy Thier behavior is they are going to end up dying because of HIV. Oh and just a side not I weight 109 pounds so in response to your "fat ass" commented I suggest you get your facts straight. You not only sound uneducated but you are attacking the person instead of the issue. This is a fallacy and ultimately just proves how much you are lacking decency.
Brooke

Burlington, NC

#1850 Jul 1, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sweetie, the rest of us are bright enough to realize that if reproduction is the only reason for wanting to engage in a sexual act, then homosexual behavior is incredibly unlikely to work to that end. But what you need to realize is that most other folk haven't limit their sex lives to breeding attempts. While you may fantasize homosexual acts to be "unnatural", nature has always disagreed with you. More than a thousand different species have found such acts to be perfectly normal and natural, whether you are icked out by them or not. Your problems with "homosexuality", "homosexuals" and/or "homosexual acts", yours, not nature's, not God's and certainly not ours. Thanks for sharing, but it really wasn't necessary.
I appreciate your response and not attacking me like an uneducated fool. However this still doesn't deal with the growing HIV number. Not to mention it still is very unnatural.
Rational Evolutionist

Saint Paul, MN

#1851 Jul 1, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
What a load of crap. Most mammalian species mate based on estrus, and follow pheremonal signals that the female is ready. Most species will mate with close relatives, especially siblings. They generally do not mate with their mothers because there is still a social order involved; offspring would not be considered worthy mates. On the other hand, humans have been quite happy to hump their siblings, from the egyptians to the borgias and onward.
While primal instincts play a strong role in guiding or regulating behavior, humans are not completely govern by them. Since complex psychological factors play an equally influential role in driving behavior, people can and often do go against their innate impulses or inhibitions. Those that do behave contrary to their evolutionary instincts and deviate from nature’s imperative are an extreme minority. If deviant sexual preferences were to be normalized through socialization, the genetic progression and continuity of our species would be threatened. Thus to preserve the propagation, diversity, and health of future generations, society should be very cautious to promote anti-evolutionary sexual behavior (e.g. homosexuality) as a normal alternative lifestyle to heterosexuality.
Rational Evolutionist

Saint Paul, MN

#1852 Jul 1, 2013
Brooke wrote:
The anatomy of humans concerning the reproduction system is a dead giveaway of how unnatural homosexual behavior is. We were clearly made to only be with someone of the opposite sex. Not to mention the growing numbers in cases of HIV with gay men. They may be winning the marriage debate in some states, but the numbers show how unhealthy their behavior truly is.
You're right Brooke. The following article is a "must read" for anyone who denies the health risks of homosexual behavior:

WASHINGTON, February 14, 2008 ( LifeSiteNews.com )- In a public statement last Friday, Matt Foreman, outgoing Executive Director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, rattled the homosexual activist community by joining the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), pro-family organizations and a growing number of homosexual activists willing to admit that homosexual behavior is both extremely high-risk and primarily responsible for the spread of HIV/AIDS in the U.S.

Addressing the topic of AIDS, Foreman drastically deviated from the "gay" lobby’s party line by admitting, "Internally, when these numbers come out, the ‘established’ gay community seems to have a collective shrug as if this isn’t our problem. Folks, with 70 percent of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi, we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that."

A little over a year ago, Lorri Jean, CEO of the Los Angeles-based Gay and Lesbian Center, similarly shocked the "gay" community by stating that, "HIV is a Gay Disease. Own it. End it."

Click the following link to read more: < http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn... ;

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1853 Jul 1, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
While primal instincts play a strong role in guiding or regulating behavior, humans are not completely govern by them. Since complex psychological factors play an equally influential role in driving behavior, people can and often do go against their innate impulses or inhibitions. Those that do behave contrary to their evolutionary instincts and deviate from nature’s imperative are an extreme minority. If deviant sexual preferences were to be normalized through socialization, the genetic progression and continuity of our species would be threatened. Thus to preserve the propagation, diversity, and health of future generations, society should be very cautious to promote anti-evolutionary sexual behavior (e.g. homosexuality) as a normal alternative lifestyle to heterosexuality.
That's lovely bull**** sentiment unfounded in science of reason, and utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Rational Evolutionist

Saint Paul, MN

#1854 Jul 1, 2013
I refined my theory. Thanks for the feedback everyone!
The Myth of Homophobia
Thesis: Humans have evolved with certain inborn inhibitions that biologically serve to promote the preservation of the Homo Sapien species, and improve the chance of successful reproduction and the genetic diversity, health, and survivability of their offspring.
For centuries, anthropologists studying different human tribes, ethnic groups, cultures, and civilizations have observed that humans overwhelmingly avoid certain behaviors regardless of environment, available resources, or social context. The instinctual behaviors include but are not limited to: interspecies mating, intergenerational mating, and close family inbreeding.
The fact that these three behaviors are universally avoided regardless of geography, religion or culture suggests humans are restrained by instincts that serve a useful and evolutionary purpose. Consider the scientific rational for the following generally avoided behaviors:
Inter-species mating (interbreeding): Humans are biologically hardwired to avoid mating with other mammalian species because of anatomic incompatibility and failure to procreate. This instinct protects the continuation of a species by restricting sexual drive to anatomically compatible mating partners of the same mammalian group. Without this biological instinct, humans would erroneously seek out incompatible species for reproduction, fail to reproduce, and threaten the existence of our species.
Intergenerational mating: Fertile humans, instinctually avoid mating with infertile members of the opposite sex. Physical aging provides a useful biological purpose, which is to signal fertility and help humans direct their sexual drive to partners that offer the best chance of reproductive success. This explains why a typical, sexually mature male would prefer to copulate with a young woman rather than a post-menopausal woman or a prepubescent girl. Without this hard-wired preference, humans would erroneously direct their sexual drive towards infertile mates, fail to reproduce, and threaten the existence of our species.
Close-Family Inbreeding: Humans, and their primate ancestors, instinctually avoid mating with close kin (such as the mother, father, and sibling) and instead seek out partners outside of the nuclear family to secure the genetic diversity and health of their offspring. Without this innate instinct, people would misdirect their sexual drive to close relatives, produce genetically “defective” offspring, and threaten the adaptability and survival of future generations.
It has been universally observed that humans have developed strong cultural taboos against bestiality (inter-species mating), wide-gap intergenerational mating, and incest. Many religions ascribe meaning to these inborn instincts and interpret them as “God’s laws.”
While many evolutionists don’t ascribe any cultural meaning to these inhibitions, they do recognize their profound biological function and evolutionary purpose.
Considering the reasons provided herein, if you feel an inexplicable repulsion or discomfort toward homosexual partnerships- understand that your sentiment is not prejudicial (i.e. homophobic) but biological. Your sentiment is based on a natural procreative instinct that for millions of years has served to ensure humanity’s propagation. Social conditioning and acculturation alone may not be enough to reverse this normal physiological hardwiring.
Rational Evolutionist

Saint Paul, MN

#1855 Jul 1, 2013
The Myth of Homophobia (continued)

Lastly, it is important to note that while primal instincts play a strong role in guiding or regulating behavior, humans are not completely govern by them. Since complex psychological factors play an equally influential role in driving behavior, people can and often do go against their innate impulses or inhibitions. Those that do behave contrary to their evolutionary instincts and deviate from nature’s imperative are an extreme minority. If deviant sexual preferences were to be normalized through socialization, the genetic progression and continuity of the human race would be threatened. Thus to preserve the propagation, diversity, and health of future generations, society should be very cautious to promote anti-evolutionary sexual behavior (e.g. homosexuality) as a normal alternative lifestyle to heterosexuality.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1856 Jul 1, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
I refined my theory.
And it is still idiotic.
Rational Evolutionist

Saint Paul, MN

#1857 Jul 1, 2013
Why same-sex marriage is harmful from an atheist perspective

It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society!

By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes the official and active promoter of anti-evolutionary sexual behavior. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.

In the private sphere, objecting parents will see their children exposed more than ever to this new, alternative lifestyle and children will be socialized and encouraged to act against their primal procreative instincts.

In every situation where marriage affects society, the State will expect heterosexuals and all people of good will to betray their biological inhibitions by condoning, through silence or act, an attack on the natural order and evolution.

Since homosexual behavior threatens the genetic progression and continuity of humanity, society should be very cautious to normalize and institutionalize it as a normal alternative lifestyle.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#1858 Jul 1, 2013
Rational Evolutionist wrote:
Why same-sex marriage is harmful from an atheist perspective
It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society!
You really are a nincompoop.

Did society suddenly rush to accept the end of slavery, women's right to vote, desegregation, or interracial marriage? Of course not. Changes in the law impact equality under the law, they will never change the views of the most stubborn in society, nor need they do so. There will always be bigots who do not accept others for who they are. Period end of story. Changes in the law do not affect their perceptions of the world, nor should they. They have a right to be an uninformed and bigoted person.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#1859 Jul 1, 2013
Brooke wrote:
I appreciate your response and not attacking me like an uneducated fool. However this still doesn't deal with the growing HIV number. Not to mention it still is very unnatural.
One does not become infected with HIV because they are gay, it's a virus, it does not care. One becomes infected because they have been exposed to the virus by someone else with it. The form of the virus most likely to be encountered in this part of the world requires direct contact with the blood system for transmission from host to host. This method of transmission makes being the receptive partner in unprotected anal sex more likely than other possible routes of sexual transmission, due to the likelihood of micro tearing to the membranes if proper precautions are not taken. If neither partner is infected, the risk is still zero.

You can claim homosexuality, homosexuals and/or homosexual acts are unnatural all you want, nature still disagrees with you on that. Sorry.

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